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Old 11-08-2011, 08:35 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Shree Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu was the “scheduled Avatar of Kali-yuga” who appeared 500 years ago, to present the “Yuga-dharma” method of Yogic austerity appropriate for this age of kali’s degrading qualities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaitanya_Mahaprabhu
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Here’s a major quotation regarding the Yuga-dharma aka the bone-fide prescribed yoga for the present degraded age of Kali:

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Shree Chaitanya Mahaprabhu replied to Prakashananda Sarasvatee, “My dear sir, kindly hear the reason. My spiritual master considered Me a fool, and therefore he chastised Me.

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When Prakashananda Sarasvatee inquired from Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu why He neither studied Vedanta nor performed meditation, Lord Chaitanya presented Himself as a number one fool in order to indicate that the present age, Kali-yuga, is an age of fools and rascals in which it is not possible to obtain perfection simply by reading Vedanta philosophy and meditating. The Shastras strongly recommend:

“In this age of quarrel and hypocrisy the only means of deliverance is the chanting of the holy names of the Lord. There is no other way. There is no other way. There is no other way.” People in general in Kali-yuga are so fallen that it is not possible for them to obtain perfection simply by studying the Vedanta-sūtra. One should therefore seriously take to the constant chanting of the holy name of the Lord.
http://vanisource.org/wiki/CC_Adi_7.71

“‘You are a fool,’ he said. ‘You are not qualified to study Vedanta philosophy, and therefore You must always chant the holy name of Krishna. This is the essence of all mantras, or Vedic hymns.
http://vanisource.org/wiki/CC_Adi_7.72

“‘Simply by chanting the holy name of Krishna one can obtain freedom from material existence. Indeed, simply by chanting the Hare Krishna mantra one will be able to see the lotus feet of the Lord.
http://vanisource.org/wiki/CC_Adi_7.73

“‘In this Age of Kali there is no religious principle other than the chanting of the holy name, which is the essence of all Vedic hymns. This is the purport of all scriptures.’
http://vanisource.org/wiki/CC_Adi_7.74
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Hinduism is like an open source program. Its very wide. There is not a single path to find the god. Actually If you see, you can divide Hinduism into various sub-religions. It is like if we combine Abrahamic religions and call it Abrahamism. And for monotheism you should read Gita
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I would agree that 'monotheism' (because the term is shaped in an Abrahamic context) does not apply to Hinduism, nor perhaps is 'monism' any more useful.

However, the idea of big god/little gods is, as they would declare, an operation of Maya, to which all are subject to a greater or lesser degree ... so whilst 'this side' of the veil (as we speak of Maya in the Christian tradition) or Maya, there may appear to be many gods, beyond, all is One ... at least, such is the teaching of the Advaita (no-dual) tradition as formalised by Shankara, as I understand it.
I think it would be easier for you to understand Devas in light of Angels, although they are closer to Jesus' divine status, they are the ones who have become vessels of God. Brahman is said to be in even every cell, thus Monism is quite accurate as a basic understanding. You can compare Brahman to the Holy Spirit as this is that which resides in each person, and meditation is simply to look for this within your own body.

Angel means "Messenger of God", this is accurate, but more accurate would be Michael which means "resembling God"... they are the form of the formless, those who have gone to the heights of religion and given up their will for the Will of God. Now, there is no difference between them and God in consciousness, they simply remain in the body - much as was the case for Jesus. Obviously, the form is not God, but in the process the limited self has died, what to say of it? The problem is again that man has clung to the forms, but often the forms are utterly ignored, such as in yogi renunciates who simply try to find Brahman within themselves, try to efface their own selves that God might enter them.
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Hinduism is like an open source program. Its very wide. There is not a single path to find the god. Actually If you see, you can divide Hinduism into various sub-religions. It is like if we combine Abrahamic religions and call it Abrahamism. And for monotheism you should read Gita
It is more a Western ignorance, Hindu is the peoples, the ethnic group, but there are at least 4 major religions under this umbrella. So, more accurately, it would be like calling the Abrahamic lines "Hebrewism". For me, it is perfectly beautiful though, it shows how accepting they are of the various religious systems in the country. They tend to also accept other trains of thought as well, and things like Sufism have come from such meetings. Indeed, there are 10 million Kabir followers, and Sikhism which are both essentially Sufism. There is also a substantial group of Baha'is, again Sufism essentially. The Hindu's have been responsible for many techniques which the mystics practice - whatsoever you believe is irrelevant, they seem more interested in how to actually know, if your texts allow enough insight for the technique to be effective, it is good.
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Hinduism is like an open source program. Its very wide. There is not a single path to find the god.
IOW, yoga is done on one's own volition, on one's own recognisance.
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I would agree that 'monotheism' (because the term is shaped in an Abrahamic context) does not apply to Hinduism, nor perhaps is 'monism' any more useful.


This is incorrect. To persist with propagating this is to indierectly spread "Dis-information" ---there is "ONE Almighty GOD" ---I helps to remember that God Almighty of Monotheism is transcendental. This fact of Vedantic Monotheism is plainly there in the Vedic Litaratures. If one is un-aware of thois, then they have been mis-informed by wanna be know-it-alls ---plain and simply.

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However, the idea of big god/little gods is, as they would declare, an operation of Maya, to which all are subject


Monotheism is not negated by Little Tony Sopranos with Trust-accounts in their war chests. All the big-honchos of the world and the celestial spheres (devas & danavas) are just like humans but with elite command & control (superintendents of material affairs . . . along with theirown household affairs and personal family affairs along with spoiled children too) over material nature (maya-prakriti). Rich powerful men die and are turned to dust ---and so do the demigods in the celestial abodes. REMEMBER: God Almighty of Monotheism is transcendental to the temporal material world (divya-prakriti)

The devas are all related kin stemming from Brahma (first & sole born person, from MahaVishnu)

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so whilst 'this side' of the veil (as we speak of Maya in the Christian tradition) or Maya, there may appear to be many gods, beyond, all is One


Yes. devas living and dying in the material world are not "Liberated Souls" ---they have elite of the elite Best Good Karma that could ever be sought.
So now I must remind you of what Alfalfa (of the Little rascals) famously said: "The larger they come, the harder they fall".

The eye of the needle rule applies to all Demigods (devas) and demigouges of wealth & influence too.

The prerequisite ettiquette that must be cultivated by a spiritual aspirant is "Loving Service to Godhead" ---this is fully embellished through-out all the Vedic Literatures.

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... at least, such is the teaching of the Advaita (no-dual) tradition as formalised by Shankara, as I understand it.
a] Advaita ("everything is essentially ONE" philosophy) &
b] Shankara acarya expositions on Vedic philosophical metaphysics & the goal of classical mantra meditation, which is the Soul ... is categorised as the "Impersonal School of Hindu metaphysics". One cannot get any Theistic schooling from Shankaracarya. His is the "Sunyavadi-school" of Hindu yoga.

Aside from subtile differences, the "Sunyavadi-school" and classical Buddhist Philosophies share the same final conclusion. For them, 'Salvation/Liberation' (moksha or mukti) equates to
'Desolving and Merging one's "soul-being" into the primevial source of the manifold creation' . . .aka, Nirvana ... at the moment of death.

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Theistic Monotheism refers to and defers to the 'transcendental' re-uniting a soul to one-on-one face-time interpersonal pastimes with none other than the "Supreme Personality of Godhead".

Ever interpersonal relationship in the temporal material world is based of "Give and Take" ---all pursuits are born of self-advancement (irregardless of how petty or romantic or epic or inane) ---when the manner of {bonefide} Devotion to Godhead occurs ... worldliness becomes anathama.
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This is incorrect. To persist with propagating this is to indierectly spread "Dis-information" - there is "ONE Almighty GOD" - I helps to remember that God Almighty of Monotheism is transcendental. This fact of Vedantic Monotheism is plainly there in the Vedic Litaratures. If one is un-aware of thois, then they have been mis-informed by wanna be know-it-alls - plain and simply.
I do not expect you to have read the Vedas, but have you ever read even one line from Vedas? The first verse in the first hymn in the first book of RigVeda says:

"Aghnimīle purohitam yajyasya devam ritvījam, hotāram ratnadhātamam;
aghnih pūrvebhirṛshibhirīḍyo nūtanairuta, sa devāneha vakshati."

I Laud Agni, the chosen priest, God, minister of sacrifice, the hotar, lavishest of wealth.
Worthy is Agni to be praised by living as by ancient seers. He shall bring hitherward the Gods.
(Rig Veda: Rig-Veda Book 1: HYMN I. Agni., translation by Ralph Griffith)

That much for monotheism in hinduism. There are various views which range from polytheism to atheism and all the isms in-between. It is not Gods and Goddesses on which hinduism depends. It depends on 'dharma' (fulfilling duties and engaging in righteous action).
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I do not expect you to have read the Vedas
I gather then that the Royal We has thumbed red Ye Ole Ralphie Griffith-ol-chum's bit-of-stuff.
Yo Ralphie! Ralphie influencing the Natives aye? Not too shaby. Ralphie better beware of the Rushdie syndrome and keep to the easy stuff.

Ya can't cite civilians ---We want to hear from Mahajanas please. Start with Paramahansas . . . and go from there.

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Let me keep things interesting:
Interesting Facts about India [Archive] - Hindu Dharma Forums

1) Vedas=Knowledge. Knowledge is defined in the Vedas as the ability to discriminate the difference between matter and spirit.
The famous first verse of the Rig-Veda: "om atha-atho brahma-jigyansah" Now, therefore, in the human form of life we should inquire as to nature of Brahman (the Supreme Personality of Godhead).

2) God=The original Supreme Personality of Godhead, Shree Krishna who is infinitely full in all opulences ("Bhagavan"), specifically:
God is the original person who possesses all Beauty, Fame, Intelligence, Power, Wealth, and Renunciation;
also,
God is the first person, with his own eternal and transcendental name, fame, form, personality, paraphernalia, entourage and pastime.
God's body is the absolute form of 'Sat-Chit-Ananda'—Eternity. Cognizance, and Bliss

2A) The 5 topics of discussion addressed in the Bhagavad-gita:

Three are eternal:
1 Isvara - (Controller) - God
2 Jiva-atma – (Indiviual Soul) - Living Entity
3 Prakriti – Energy (Material & Spiritual)
4 Kala – “Time”

One is transient:
5 Karma – Action = a) artha—wealth, abundance b) kama—enjoyment, pleasure, c) dharma—work, duty

3) Definition of 'Yoga' = to link up to, to re-unite (also see entomology of the word 'religion'.)

4) Ayur-Vedic medicine and Hatha Yoga=holistic use of Herbs and physical therapy.

5) Mantra Meditation=classical sitting silent prayer.

6) The three stages of yoga practice=
A) Karma-yoga, yoga of action.
B) Sankya-yoga, yoga of analytical study of scripture.
C) Bhakti-yoga, yoga of Devotion to Krishna

7) The three progressive stages of yogic enlightenment

I) Brahman-Realization, ---the impersonal manifestation of God, nothingness, the field, the void; Brahman is also used as a general reference for God, et al.

II) Paramatma Realization, the presence of god as the nucleus of every inanimate spark and particle of matter and energy in the universe, and also god as present in every animate individual soul as the witnessing 'Supersoul'—hence the word, 'Param (super) atma' (soul)

[ Note: Conscience living beings are capable, by birth-right, of progressing through the following 5 stages of spiritual maturity:

A) anna-maya = recognize the manifest mercy of god as 'food'.
B) prana-maya = recognize god as 'living force in all life forms'.
C) Sankya-maya=recognize god as 'thinking, willing, and feeling'.
D) vigyana-maya= 'mind and ego seen different from the soul'.
E) ananda-maya= 'all-blissful nature' Via prema-bhakti-seva. (loving devotional service to Krishna

III) Bhagavan Realization, God as he is reveal in the Vedas of India—(krsnas tu bhagavan svayam . . . )

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That much for monotheism in hinduism.
To wit: I do not expect you to have read the Vedas:
The Devas are:
an EXTENDED FAMILY
with the common Great-Grandfather, namely Sri Brahma
All the devatas are the progenitors of all species of Life
All the above devata are HERE in THE Material World.

The Devas and the Humans and the beasts and the demons and the Angels and dogs and roaches and seahorses are all mutually living together in the same Material Cosmos ---living it up in their respective stratums of the whole spectrum from good-karma to bad-karma environs ---Yet ALL HERE in THE Material World.

THE Material World was created by Mahavishnu plenary expansions.
Know wha im tawlkin'bout?

The Singular God of yore is Transcendental.
The Singular God is the source of People-hood-personality & outer oppulences too.

God is above Un-limited passages of Time and re-births and cycles of epochs and coming and going supernovas.

God is HIS OWN PERSON.

We ARE NOT OUR OWN ANYTHING . . . except an individual POV-SOUL entity.

Decide if you can gladly educate me
or
Ask yourself . . . if you'd rather . . . I prep a plate of Ladoos for you and your friends? Ya know, "make hay while the sun shine" & "Pick-up the patties before it rains".

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I do not expect you to have read the Vedas.
Yes I can explain it to you ---And I appreciate how you acknowledge that you can not explain it at all.

You are an honest scholar seeing new frontiers thanks to me. I will pass on your recent realisations ---but It is not due to me alone but to all the chain of spiritual masters that I have led you to.

My advise is that you NOT gloat; but rather, you quote Gita as best you can inre realisations that you have had. That way you can make me blush when you get things right.

Jaya Shree Krishna, says the Krishna yogi bhaktajan.

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The famous first verse of the Rig-Veda: "Om atha-atho brahma-jigyansah" Now, therefore, in the human form of life we should inquire as to nature of Brahman (the Supreme Personality of Godhead).
That is the first sutra of Badarayana's 'Brahma-Sutra' (and not RigVeda). "Athato Brahmajijnasa" (Now, therefore, the enquiry into Brahman) - Jijnasadhikaranam: Topic 1 – Brahma Sutras – Chapter 1: Samanvaya Adhyaya.

Scriptures are sacrosanct. We should not add even a word more than what is written (otherwise, the meaning may change). In the first sutra, there is no mention of human form of life or the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

Ralph Griffith's translation is by far the best, being unbiased.

I have no hesitation in saying Jaya Shree Krishna or Hare-Rama Hare-Krishna or Bhaja Govindam. There is a lot of advaita in BhagawadGeeta. Krishna is Brahman. You are Brahman (Tat Twam Asi). I am Brahman (Aham Brahmasmi). All things are Brahman. There is none other than Brahman in the universe. 'Eko Brahma, dwiteeyo nasti' (Brahman is one, there is no second). Indian culture is irreversibly bound around Krishna. There is no question of gloating.
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The famous first verse of the VEDANTA-SUTRA: "Om atha-atho brahma-jigyansah" Now, therefore, in the human form of life we should inquire as to nature of Brahman (the Supreme Personality of Godhead).
I stand corrected [aka Typo-graphical error corrected].

Krishna is One-Ness at it's Alpha & Omega ---That is sacrosanct.

For the sake of continuity, I include the following notes, from my glossary:

Veda-caksuh—literally, seeing through the eyes of the Vedas.

Veda-vada-rata—one who gives his own explanation of the Vedas a smarta; fruitive workers who become entangled in material activities disguised as spiritual activities.

Vedasraya-nastikya-vada—agnosticism under the shelter of Vedic culture.

Vedanta-darsana—the philosophy of Srila Vyasadeva, which culminates in bhakti-yoga.

Vedanta-sutra (Brahma-sutra)—Srila Vyasadeva’s conclusive summary of Vedic philosophical knowledge, written in brief codes. The philosophy of the Absolute Truth, which finds implicit expression in the Vedas and the Upanisads, was put into a systematic and more explicit form in the Vedanta-sutra. All apparent contradictory statements of the vast literature of the Vedas are resolved by the great Vyasa in this work. In this work there are four divisions 1) reconciliation of all scriptures; 2) the consistent reconciliation of apparently conflicting hymns; 3) the means or process of attaining the goal (spiritual realization); and 4) the object (or desired fruit) achieved by the spiritual process. The Vedanta-sutra establishes that Godhead exists, that devotion is the means of realizing transcendental love for Godhead, and that this love is the final object of man's endeavors. This book is the textbook of all theistic philosophy, and, as such, many commentators have elaborated on the significance of its conclusions.

Vedanta—the conclusion of Vedic philosophy; the philosophy of the Vedanta-sutra of Srila Vyasadeva, containing a conclusive summary of Vedic philosophical knowledge and showing Kåsëa as the goal.

Vedanti—a person who knows Vedanta, that is, who perfectly knows Kåsëa.

Vedas—the original Veda was divided into four by Srila Vyasadeva. The four original Vedic scriptures, Samhitas (Rg, Sama, Atharva and Yajur) and the 108 Upanisads, Mahabharata, Vedanta-sutra, etc.

The system of eternal wisdom compiled by Srila Vyasadeva, the literary incarnation of the Supreme Lord, for the gradual upliftment of all mankind from the state of bondage to the state of liberation.

The word veda literally means “knowledge”, and thus in a wider sense it refers to the whole body of Indian Sanskrit religious literature that is in harmony with the philosophical conclusions found in the original four Vedic Samhitas and Upanisads.

The message of the transcendental realm that has come down to this phenomenal world through the medium of sound is known as the Veda. Being the very words of Godhead Himself, the Vedas have existed from eternity.

Lord Kåsëa originally revealed the Vedas to Brahma, the first soul to appear in the realm of physical nature, and by him they were subsequently made available to other souls through the channel of spiritual disciplic succession.

Vedic culture—life-style based on the tenets of the four original scriptures of India, the Vedas.

Vedic—pertaining to a culture in which all aspects of human life are under the guidance of the Vedas.
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Badarayana is another well-known name for Krsna-Dvaipayana-Vyasa-deva

Vyasadeva (Vyasa)—the literary incarnation of God, and the greatest philosopher of ancient times. The son of Parasara, and the compiler of the original Vedic scriptures, including the eighteen Puranas, Vedanta-sutra, the Mahabharata, and the Upanisads.
He played a very important part in guiding the Pandavas during crucial times.
He gave the vision of the battle of Kuruksetra to Sanjaya so that he could relate it to Dhrtarastra.
He is still living in this world.
He is the eldest Grand-Uncle of the Pandavas.
He is the step-brother Grandfather Bhisma.
He is the great grandson of Prajapati Vasistha.
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Brahman emanates from Param-Brahman, Param-Brahman is the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

Your Leaders may have indoctrinated you in ways that cause you to say and think impersonally. That's the ticket!

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In the first sutra, there is no mention of human form of life
Correction: In this first "Sholka" (aka, verse).

Do you know what "atha atho" means?
Now in the "Human Form of Life" ---please accept this ---don't argue ---lessons await.

Now! While you can!

The Rest can not act on this! Don't you know?
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That is unnecessary elongation - Brahman emanates from para-Brahman, and para-Brahman emanates from para-para-Brahman, and para-para-Brahman emanates from para-para-para-Brahman, etc. How far that chain goes? Our books say Brahman is one, there is no second (Eko Brahman, dwiteeyo nasti).

Check the Swami Krishnananda's link given by me: "Atha: now, then, afterwards; Atah: therefore; Brahmajijnasa: a desire for the knowledge of Brahman (the enquiry into the real nature of Brahman)." The translation is simple and without any ambiguity.
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O! O! O! I do love your conversations, Aupmanyav and bhaktahjan. As an outsider, I love having all the websites and references.
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That is unnecessary elongation - Brahman emanates from para-Brahman, and para-Brahman emanates from para-para-Brahman, and para-para-Brahman emanates from para-para-para-Brahman, etc. How far that chain goes? Our books say Brahman is one, there is no second (Eko Brahman, dwiteeyo nasti).

Check the Swami Krishnananda's link given by me: "Atha: now, then, afterwards; Atah: therefore; Brahmajijnasa: a desire for the knowledge of Brahman (the enquiry into the real nature of Brahman)." The translation is simple and without any ambiguity.
You have been welcomed with hospitality.
"May I get you a glass of water?"

I must confide my feelings about you BEFORE I CONTINUE:

I do not believe you are geniune.

The word "elongation" you used ---to describe what? ... ergo,
I do not believe you are geniune.

The word "ambiguity" you used ---to describe what? ... ergo,
I do not believe you are geniune.

I stand on a VERY SPECIFIC High Road.
You know what I stand for.
You know my position.
You know what the genuine National Collegiete schorlarly classical position I represent.

We are not Tourist.

You are QUALIFYING something or other ---what? Are you a Jazz Musician of a break? Are you riffing and jambing?

So far you have managed to QUALIFY that scriptures do not nessecarily relate urgency "particularly to Humans". What Agenda train of thought are we aiming for?

Now in the Human Form of Life:
Read the Quran
Read the Bible
Read the Gita
Read the sutras
Read the "wash your hands" notice in the Lavatory.

You have manage to prove you self an imposter before your 44th post.

I want to establish Common Ground ---and you entre is to assert that Human-beings may not apply.

Impersonal before meeting minds.

First we must layout what we are working with ---before any art is created.

Site-Specific.

Hindu ashrams occupy their monks & monkettes 24/7 ---there is lots of activities that are genuine National Collegiete schorlarly & classical at 99% of India's Guru-kulas.
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