"Homosexuality is not Natural!"

[kenod]

Originally Posted by cavalier

I know that I get through the day a lot easier since switching over to heterosexuality

If it's that easy to do, you'd better write a book ... oh, and send it to Oprah

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by kenod

And John Mark Karr would probably say the same.
Of course, the age of the girl is the deciding factor, but society must still impose an age.

Again with the pedophlia card? I was talking about eating meat being against some religions? Besides he was just released and the charges dismissed.

[kenod]

Originally Posted by Paladin

Again with the pedophlia card? I was talking about eating meat being against some religions? Besides he was just released and the charges dismissed.

You said: “how unfair it would be to be held to another’s expectations, desires and mores.”

My point is that we are all held to other standards than our own. Society has to impose an age of consent, which we are forced to abide by. When is paedophilia not paedophilia?

In society we all participate in the process of setting the standards for many questions of morality … at the moment therapeutic cloning is a hot one.

As for eating meat ... we don't have any laws about that I know of ... yet!! Although it is illegal here to kill any animal without a licence.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by kenod

You said: “how unfair it would be to be held to another’s expectations, desires and mores.”

My point is that we are all held to other standards than our own. Society has to impose an age of consent, which we are forced to abide by. When is paedophilia not paedophilia?

In society we all participate in the process of setting the standards for many questions of morality … at the moment therapeutic cloning is a hot one.

As for eating meat ... we don't have any laws about that I know of ... yet!! Although it is illegal here to kill any animal without a licence.

Introducing pedohilia into the discussion is merely "poisioning the well" since as an analogy it is not relevent to this topic. Society is a vauge sort of authority and there are those who disagree with it's ideas. Since it is made up of all of us, all six billion brothers and sisters having different ideas, disagreeing on ethics, mores, morals, and laws should it be trusted as a final authority?
Homosexuality totally disgusts some people, that is unavoidable, but we still have a choice as to what we do with our feelings. Unless we sink to a baser level and merely become reactionary.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Paladin

Introducing pedohilia into the discussion is merely "poisioning the well" since as an analogy it is not relevent to this topic. Society is a vauge sort of authority and there are those who disagree with it's ideas. Since it is made up of all of us, all six billion brothers and sisters having different ideas, disagreeing on ethics, mores, morals, and laws should it be trusted as a final authority?
Homosexuality totally disgusts some people, that is unavoidable, but we still have a choice as to what we do with our feelings. Unless we sink to a baser level and merely become reactionary.

Yeah, I agree with that. It brings unpleasant memories back, and really has no bearing on the question at hand. Let's not bring children into the issue, shall we?

v/r

Q

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by cavalier

I know that I get through the day a lot easier since switching over to heterosexuality

May she be your "Song of Songs"...

[kenod]

Originally Posted by Paladin

Introducing pedohilia into the discussion is merely "poisioning the well" since as an analogy it is not relevent to this topic. Society is a vauge sort of authority and there are those who disagree with it's ideas. Since it is made up of all of us, all six billion brothers and sisters having different ideas, disagreeing on ethics, mores, morals, and laws should it be trusted as a final authority?

Let's call it "age of consent" then. The point is that society sets the standard by which we all must abide. So in answer to you original question, yes, it is fair if we have to abide by what others think is right ... at least when we are considering legal matters.

There was a big controversy in my home state a few years back when the age of consent for homosexual activity was discussed. The churches campaigned against lowering the age, but they lost. So, we now have a law that sets the age at 16. The churches have to live with it even if they don't like it.

Another controversy concerns Aboriginal traditional law - should the indigineous population be allowed to practice their own "giving in marriage" and "age of consent" laws. To be honest, I do not know what my opinion on that one is. What is the situation in your country?

[kenod]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Yeah, I agree with that. It brings unpleasant memories back, and really has no bearing on the question at hand. Let's not bring children into the issue, shall we?
v/r
Q

I am sorry if you or anyone have interpreted my posts as trying to link homosexuality and pedophilia - I have never believed that, and I have never suggested that - I have enough knowledge to know that homosexuality is no more associated with pedophilia than heterosexuality.

I hope my previous post (#22) has helped to clarify that the only common point I see is that we all have standards imposed on us by the society in which we live - we could use age of consent, drug use, cloning, or even speed limits!