Homosexuals

Postmaster · 01-16-2007, 03:23 PM

Are people born homosexuals? Do homosexuals serve a purpose in society? By this I mean for the males, being born with emotional feminine traits does it aid society in terms of support for children and families? What was homosexuals role in the spread of aids and other sexually transmitted disease? I'm asking from a scientific point of view.

17th Angel · 01-16-2007, 03:44 PM

From any point of view, they certainly do not support the survival of our kind. Not sure about the AID's thing.... Although I am sure you will get the theory from at least one person that AID's was made by the CIA and in June 1981 was inserted into five homosexuals.... heh.

chakraman · 01-16-2007, 03:48 PM

i cant promise a purely scientific view, discount what you wish. i do believe some are born gay. i had a cousin who wanted dolls and a dolls house before he could talk. i do sympathise with the difficulties of being born such. as how would i, a red blooded male, feel if i were trapped in a womans body. i couldnt go for a bloke purely because physically i was a female when psychologically i was male.

i do think that gay sex is disgusting, but then again some "heterosexual" sex could be deemed that.

scientifically speaking allsorts of enviromental effects like; electromagnetic fields, mercury fillings, pesticides, hairsprays, deodorant, chemicals etc etc can have the effect reversing the direction of the subtle energy vortices in the body. in particular this can cause too much oestrogen in men and too much testosterone in women or the reverse, having a direct effect on the unborn...perhaps. regards j

wil · 01-16-2007, 03:51 PM

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Are people born homosexuals?

From the information as I understand it many are, quite possibly the majority.

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Do homosexuals serve a purpose in society?

They are humans. Can we ask if White people or Polynesians serve a purpose in society? I don't know how other to answer this unless to say they provide a guage of peoples predjudice, bigotry and closed mindedness.

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By this I mean for the males, being born with emotional feminine traits does it aid society in terms of support for children and families?

In this respect I feel that bending gender stereotypes has a real benefit. The whole notion that the female role is compassion, laundry and cleaning, and men don't cry and their job is to mow the lawn and take out the garbage is well....garbage.

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What was homosexuals role in the spread of aids and other sexually transmitted disease? I'm asking from a scientific point of view.

I think statistically this is an obvious question, that the behaviour lends to body fluid transfer.

However the whole topic and thought is something that has also been brewing in my mind.

ie there is this notion that being amongst homosexuals lends to ones downfall in this regard, as evidenced by the military General who admits, well, it has worked out better than I thought...or by folks who have no contact with homosexuals and then having one in their family thinking they are different. We saw the same with blacks, jews, etc. "Yeah, he/she's one of the good ones"

When in reality as I see it our exposure to the people makes us realize these are just people, labels need not be attached, discrimination need not be applied, we are dealing with people, different than I, but aren't we all?

So back to that question that troubled me so....Do homosexuals serve a purpose in society?

Could it be that this issue is providing us a platform to raise our consciousness?

17th Angel · 01-16-2007, 03:54 PM

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1. as how would i, a red blooded male, feel if i were trapped in a womans body.

2. scientifically speaking allsorts of enviromental effects like; electromagnetic fields, mercury fillings, pesticides, hairsprays, deodorant, chemicals etc etc can have the effect reversing the direction of the subtle energy vortices in the body. in particular this can cause too much oestrogen in men and too much testosterone in women or the reverse, having a direct effect on the unborn...perhaps. regards j

1. I'd say, lucky you..

2. Are you saying, if I have one too many fillings in my face I have a chance of being gay?

juantoo3 · 01-16-2007, 04:00 PM

Kindest Regards, Postmaster!

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I'm asking from a scientific point of view.

The problem with this is, those with a vested interest in the subject don't want to hear the scientific point of view, and are quite content manufacturing or rewriting the scientific point of view to suit their agenda.

17th Angel · 01-16-2007, 04:02 PM

What Makes People Gay? - The Boston Globe

chakraman · 01-16-2007, 04:18 PM

overly butch for a woman or overly feminine for a chap which could affect offspring - yes i am saying that, though theres a very, very small chance i'm wrong, so you might be awight, of course it also depends on the quota of masculinity or femininty you were born with.....

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17th Angel · 01-16-2007, 04:34 PM

You truly think that? I would say hormones are yours and your's alone you make your own... I having a lack of testosterone sure could make me seem gay, doesn't mean I am gay... Anyway! I don't believe it would effect my son, unless he created less himself.. Then again, he may seem like a gay, but that is the stereotype... He would be dainty soft voice all funny movements and such lol... But that lack of testosterone doesn't mean he is going to -want- a male partner... He better not... lol

chakraman · 01-16-2007, 04:45 PM

doesnt make you gay, could predispose offspring but not necssarily. the reproductive centre for women should spin clockwise idealy, but may not... j

put mercury amalgam into a search if you want to get an idea of what it can do..

wil · 01-16-2007, 07:27 PM

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The problem with this is, those with a vested interest in the subject don't want to hear the scientific point of view, and are quite content manufacturing or rewriting the scientific point of view to suit their agenda.

I'd say the issue is very sensitive on both sides of the spectrum...more than one agenda exists.

Interestingly enough this weekend Amon Motwane was speaking about our differences and like heads and tails on a coin, and the fact that you can't separate heads from tails on a coin...together they make up the coin. Taking that thought a step further it is naturally hard to see tails when all you can see is heads....it is not easy to see both sides of the coin...nor is it easy once you've decided which camp you are in to see both sides of this issue.

The extrordinary part to me is the folks that are mired in it. Christian homosexuals who litterally have issues with tearing the coin apart. This is definitely a table we need to all sit down at and break some bread...

Snoopy · 01-16-2007, 07:58 PM

Hi,

Are people born heterosexuals? Do heterosexuals serve a purpose in society? By this I mean for the males, being born with emotional male traits does it aid society in terms of support for children and families (specifically domestic violence)? What was heterosexuals role in the spread of AIDS and other sexually transmitted disease?

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Postmaster · 01-16-2007, 08:10 PM

Here we go.. what a touchy issue. I posted this in the science forum for this reason. Im not concern with who i talk about its what Im talking about.

If people are born gay, then why would they be? the gayness must have a reason? Why would nature who has had billions of years to perfect cause such a big fault (if it is indeed a fault). I'm not gay myself and i will never be but im not talking about this issue as a homophobic, purely scientific. Any theories are welcome.

Snoopy · 01-16-2007, 08:29 PM

Hi,

Well from a scientific perspective I imagine that if, say, 10% of a species engage in homosexual behaviour then they will be responsible for about 10% of the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. If, say, 90% of a species engage in heterosexual behaviour then they will be responsible for about 90% of sexually transmitted diseases.

I don't think AIDS is decimating Africa primarily because of homosexual activity.

I'm glad you're interested from a scientific perspective, it just seemed to me that the questions suggested something other than a disinterested scientific standpoint.

Homosexuality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Postmaster · 01-16-2007, 11:03 PM

No not at all. I’m not going to lie I'm a pure breed homophobic. But I'm so desperately trying to see reason in homosexuality. I'm 22 and I see it all around me, even in my own family. I'm genuinely looking for reason. I want to know what separates homosexuals from heterosexuals in the reasonable sense. I'm looking for genetical understanding rather then physiological. Even though I do believe the physiological aspect must exist, the human mind is very powerful.