How Come? - Page 2

juantoo3 · 04-17-2005, 04:50 AM

Kindest Regards, Faithfulservant!

Yes.

didymus · 04-17-2005, 04:56 AM

Conscience, my bad. I think my last comment was a mix of the many other threads that I read. That comment I made wasn't appropriate. Are you concerned that you may be following someone who isn''t a true christian>? Or do you know people like this>?

Conscience · 04-17-2005, 05:05 AM

Hey Didymus,

Im not exactly sure what you're asking. But, if you're asking if Im worried about following someone who isnt a Christian, then the answer is no. Also, I think you asked if I knew any people that profess Christanity, but dont live the lifestyle? If that was what you asked, well yes, I do know quite a few people like that. The sad thing about these people is that they think they know God, but only "Know of him." Those that have a real relationship with God, act as though they believe what they preach.

Make sense?

Later,

Conscience

didymus · 04-17-2005, 04:55 PM

I know for me that I have periods where my walk is very strong. When I really felt God for the first time I thought it would never end. During that time I judged alot of people because I could tell they weren't feeling it and taking it as seriously as I was. I spoke as you do and was upset with people for not walking the walk. Everybody gets their turn however. I have seen pastors fall off, church leaders fall off, you name it. The people that profess God the most and the most vocally are the ones you got to watch, those are the ones I've seen disappear more often than anybody. This thing aint easy.

I learned that I can't sum someone up by their current actions. It isn't that easy. I'll give you a word of advice, when you look at somebody and they way they are acting you don't always know what got them there or how long they'll be there either. The minute you put yourself above them God will touch them and you'll be eating crow. They may have been on fire just 6 months ago, maybe 2 years ago. The time will come when you will not feel God's presence as strongly. During this time you may have some folks looking at you goin', "what happened to conscience, that dude is straying, he aint walking the walk, he's a sinner. he just needs to know the Lord and get his butt to church." This can happen to anyone. During this time many fall away and stop doing the things that will get them back to that spot they were at with God before. Sometimes you can't do anything about it, you have to faithfully wait for God. It can be very trying, I know, I've been there.

Conscience · 04-17-2005, 05:32 PM

Didymus,

You have me laughing here. Why are you trying to psychoanalyze me? I find it funny that you guys are doing what you're telling me not to do; and might I add, what I havent even done! Why are you guys judging my intentions. You say things like - "The minute you put yourself above them God will touch them and you'll be eating crow." What gave you the impression that Im judging anyone? What makes you think that I some how believe that God loves me more than anyone else? All that said, I'd like to assure you that you're assumptions are wrong. I already fell away from the faith. I used to believe I was a Christian, when I really wasnt. It wasnt until I heard the gospel for the first time - that I was a sinner, and Jesus died for the sins that I comitted, that I found the Lord. Two years ago, I asked the Lord to be the Lord and Savior of my life. Since then, it has been a incridible walk. Not all good, and not all bad! But, its been amazing nonetheless. And you know what? Im still walking man. I see God molding me to become more like his Son everyday. And, that gives me hope!

didymus · 04-18-2005, 02:46 AM

Cool. I think you're in a good spot. Just be careful when you start deciding who is Christian and who isn't and who is saved and who isn't. It's a dangerous spot to be.

Bandit · 04-18-2005, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by didymus

I know for me that I have periods where my walk is very strong. When I really felt God for the first time I thought it would never end. During that time I judged alot of people because I could tell they weren't feeling it and taking it as seriously as I was. I spoke as you do and was upset with people for not walking the walk. Everybody gets their turn however. I have seen pastors fall off, church leaders fall off, you name it. The people that profess God the most and the most vocally are the ones you got to watch, those are the ones I've seen disappear more often than anybody. This thing aint easy.

I learned that I can't sum someone up by their current actions. It isn't that easy. I'll give you a word of advice, when you look at somebody and they way they are acting you don't always know what got them there or how long they'll be there either. The minute you put yourself above them God will touch them and you'll be eating crow. They may have been on fire just 6 months ago, maybe 2 years ago. The time will come when you will not feel God's presence as strongly. During this time you may have some folks looking at you goin', "what happened to conscience, that dude is straying, he aint walking the walk, he's a sinner. he just needs to know the Lord and get his butt to church." This can happen to anyone. During this time many fall away and stop doing the things that will get them back to that spot they were at with God before. Sometimes you can't do anything about it, you have to faithfully wait for God. It can be very trying, I know, I've been there.

these things are true didymus. i do know what you are saying. I think some of them on TV do this too..more like they run a traveling side show, but then there are some who really are trying there best & do love the Lord.

but you are correct, we have to keep close to Jesus & learn to rely on him all the way to the end. i feel bad for the ones who get a lashing everytime they go to church. it should not be that way.

I, Brian · 04-19-2005, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Conscience

That said, the job of the Christian is to preach the word. Thats all we can do! Its not like we can save a person, right?

If you want to preach at other Christians, and tell the world that you're the only "real" Christian, then Geocities will let you open up a website for free to do it.

CR isn't a place to do it.

Christians are welcome to evangelise, share their experiences, discuss their outlook on faith - but being present simply to use CR as a personal soapbox will get you banned real quick.

So far you've showed a decent restraint - anybody can be forgiven a mistake mended. But you need to ask yourself whether your here because you want to tell other Christians how wrong they are - because if so you're in the wrong webspace. If you want to share faith with other Christians, because as a new Christian you want to maybe even learn something from the other Christians on this board, then maybe you'll fit in fine after all.

Conscience · 04-19-2005, 11:17 PM

If you want to preach at other Christians, and tell the world that you're the only "real" Christian, then Geocities will let you open up a website for free to do it. CR isn't a place to do it.

If you want to speculate on what my intentions are, I'd suggest you think a lot longer than you have. You're missing a few things.

Christians are welcome to evangelise, share their experiences, discuss their outlook on faith - but being present simply to use CR as a personal soapbox will get you banned real quick.

Yeah, been there done that! And you know what? I STILL have NO idea why I was banned in the first place. I never once judged anyone, or said that people are wrong. I just gave my own opinion - much like what everyone else is doing.

So far you've showed a decent restraint - anybody can be forgiven a mistake mended. But you need to ask yourself whether your here because you want to tell other Christians how wrong they are - because if so you're in the wrong webspace. If you want to share faith with other Christians, because as a new Christian you want to maybe even learn something from the other Christians on this board, then maybe you'll fit in fine after all.

Im happy that you saw my effort. While I dont think I've done anything wrong to begin with, I have been trying extra hard to watch what I say. That said, I feel you on what you said here, thanks!

Later,

Conscience

truthseeker · 04-21-2005, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bandit

these things are true didymus. i do know what you are saying. I think some of them on TV do this too..more like they run a traveling side show, but then there are some who really are trying there best & do love the Lord.

but you are correct, we have to keep close to Jesus & learn to rely on him all the way to the end. i feel bad for the ones who get a lashing everytime they go to church. it should not be that way.

It's hard to be viewed as a true soul in Jesus when you talk the talk but don't walk the walk. Strange thing too is that when you are truly walking the walk, you don't have to talk as much.

Faithfulservant · 04-22-2005, 12:12 AM

You know what comes to my mind? Simon Peter.. He was always full of good intentions even though it was misplaced in many instances. He sort of bumbled along and many times Jesus had to redirect him. Guess what though.. Jesus loved him very much and understood where his heart was and patiently led him along.

Quahom1 · 04-22-2005, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

You know what comes to my mind? Simon Peter.. He was always full of good intentions even though it was misplaced in many instances. He sort of bumbled along and many times Jesus had to redirect him. Guess what though.. Jesus loved him very much and understood where his heart was and patiently led him along.

Yes, bumper pool, or a pinball machine...

Now I think I know why Jesus told Peter to come to Him...to stop Peter from rocking the boat so damn hard.

v/r

Q