How contempt at home is handled...

Quahom1 · 07-16-2005, 04:28 AM

Iraq on May 30, Memorial Day.

A wake-up call from Luke's jets

Jun. 23, 2005 12"00 AM

"Question of the day for Luke Air Force Base: Whom do we thank for the morning air show?

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Awaiting_the_fifth · 07-17-2005, 09:15 PM

Certainly an insensitive reaction from Mr. MacRae who apparently reacted without any thought or facts. There is no excusing him, but had he known the truth I am sure as a vietnam veteran he would not have complained about the noise.

This war has its supporters and its critics but I dont think anyone would take away from the selfless sacrifrices made for we ordinary citizens and the newly freed iraqi people.

Capt. Jeremy Fresques deserves our thanks and our prayers, whatever nature they may take.

Quahom1 · 07-17-2005, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Awaiting_the_fifth

Certainly an insensitive reaction from Mr. MacRae who apparently reacted without any thought or facts. There is no excusing him, but had he known the truth I am sure as a vietnam veteran he would not have complained about the noise.

This war has its supporters and its critics but I dont think anyone would take away from the selfless sacrifrices made for we ordinary citizens and the newly freed iraqi people.

Capt. Jeremy Fresques deserves our thanks and our prayers, whatever nature they may take.

Ah, but that is the crux of the matter. "You citizens" are anything but ordinary. We military give up many of the rights of citizenship, in order that you keep yours. You citizens out rank every military person on active duty. Did you know that?

And unfortunately there are those who do try to take away from the sacrifices military people make. Fortunately the current mindset of the majority is to not judge the military at troop level. But there are the idiots and the selfcentered, self righteous indignants, who occasionally spout off out of one of their orifices...I think it is the mouth, but I could be mistaken.

Then there are places like Dearborn, Michigan, where one does not walk down the street in uniform, or carry a sticker on the car alluding to the same. There it is unreasoning hatred, disgust or at the mildest, contempt.

That is hard to deal with...

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Awaiting_the_fifth · 07-18-2005, 09:27 PM

Quahom, you and I have had a good many disagreements, not least over war and pacifism, so I have probably never said to you that thing which I should have said,

Thank you.

Please pass this along to any of your brothers in arms to whom you think it may be of any import.

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You citizens out rank every military person on active duty.

Does that mean I get to give you orders?

Quahom1 · 07-18-2005, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Awaiting_the_fifth

Quahom, you and I have had a good many disagreements, not least over war and pacifism, so I have probably never said to you that thing which I should have said,

Thank you.

Please pass this along to any of your brothers in arms to whom you think it may be of any import.

PS

Does that mean I get to give you orders?

You are most welcome.

I know the president, Secretary of Defense, Congress and the Governors do, mostly it is your protection comes before ours, I think.

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p.s. One of my sons is a pacifist. So he became a Medic (damn good one I am told). Medics as you may or may not be aware, do not engage in battle, unless it is self defense (or defense over the wounded...any wounded).

Vajradhara · 07-19-2005, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Then there are places like Dearborn, Michigan, where one does not walk down the street in uniform, or carry a sticker on the car alluding to the same. There it is unreasoning hatred, disgust or at the mildest, contempt.

That is hard to deal with...

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Q

Namaste Quahom,

thank you for the post.

indeed... one wonders if this is due to the large Muslim immigrant population that has chosen Dearborn as one of the main places to settle?

metta,

~v

Vajradhara · 07-19-2005, 07:41 PM

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Does that mean I get to give you orders?

not really... civilians, other than a few elected officials, are not in the chain of command.

however.... they have to call you "sir" or "ma'am", as the case may be.
even the General of the Army (dunno if we have one right now) is in the same situation when dealing with a civilian.

of course...

the most direct area where you can see how serving in the American military is a voluntary relinquishing of fundamentaly guaranteed constitutional rights is in the UCMJ, the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

you see... members of the military are subject to both civilian law and military regulations and rules. perhaps more dramatically, should one be charged with a crime, there is no 'trial by jury of ones peers'.

metta,

~v

Awaiting_the_fifth · 07-19-2005, 10:24 PM

Yeah, that and I'm from a different country.

Quahom1 · 07-19-2005, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Vajradhara

Namaste Quahom,

thank you for the post.

indeed... one wonders if this is due to the large Muslim immigrant population that has chosen Dearborn as one of the main places to settle?

metta,

~v

Indeed this is the case. Muslim, I would not go to say...Arabic, I must concede is more accurate. I am a stranger in my own home town, and oft times, reviled. Not by the majority I assure you. But then it is not the majority that causes the majority of pain and grief...

For those who might think I am speculating on a biased perspective...I have the scars to my eyes and forehead to beg to differ (iron pipe to the face). A teenage youth no less, took afront it seems, to my stopping he and his friends from pushing a child of less than ten, into the deep end (nine foot deep) of a city pool.

My vehicle's display of military signants, gave cause for some to test the windscreen with base ball bats. While walking on Warren Avenue (in uniform), someone decided that the sidewalk was now a driving lane. My parents had to remove their "My son is in the Service" bumperstickers, from their vehicles due to some thinking that it was a mobile frying pan, on which eggs should be deposited. Sugar in the fuel tank, was also the order of the day...I guess to sweeten the deal.

My sons, had to defend themselves in the back yard of my brother's home, from five youths, claiming that they didn't belong here...and when the police came, the parents of said youths began to accost the police (in my own brothers' back yard).

I now understand, one's mother is a whore, and how a mother is violated in most disgusting fashion, in certain language.

I would like to think this is isolated, but alas I fear it is a microcosim of a bigger picture.

I think I will stop here. I've expressed my point.

Please forgive me if I read other than calm. I am not.

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Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine · 07-20-2005, 01:40 AM

Alas, Q, your post reminds me of the manure that Vietnam veterans endured for quite a long time after they came back (and not from the Asian community...)

Well, I just want to say that there are rectal thermometer orifices on both sides of "the sidewalk" in every community (had to deal with someone from World Church of the Creator at the Air Expo this past weekend [he was dissing a couple of military pilots because they're African American, and I asked him what his heritage was, telling him that the only way that one can be absolutely sure of ancestory is if one's family is/was totally inbred.] I wasn't a nice jewitch that day..)

btw, have you ever watched the Blue Angels perform?

Phyllis

Quahom1 · 07-20-2005, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine

Alas, Q, your post reminds me of the manure that Vietnam veterans endured for quite a long time after they came back (and not from the Asian community...)

Well, I just want to say that there are rectal thermometer orifices on both sides of "the sidewalk" in every community (had to deal with someone from World Church of the Creator at the Air Expo this past weekend [he was dissing a couple of military pilots because they're African American, and I asked him what his heritage was, telling him that the only way that one can be absolutely sure of ancestory is if one's family is/was totally inbred.] I wasn't a nice jewitch that day..)

btw, have you ever watched the Blue Angels perform?

Phyllis

No, I'm ashamed to say. But I did watch my cousin get pinned for his Flying Cross. Hope that counts.

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Bandit · 07-20-2005, 06:28 AM

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btw, have you ever watched the Blue Angels perform?

Phyllis

i have! & the thunderbirds! in Fort Lauderdale. Loud & Fast. fast always comes first, then the loud. i love that when they pass each other like they are going to crash & when they spin like a gyro. honestly, there is nothing about an air show that i dont like.

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Please forgive me if I read other than calm. I am not.

this is normal Q. i have things that have happened i will never forget either & when i think about them or talk, i get crazy, especially if others dont know the circumstance.

truthseeker · 07-20-2005, 11:02 PM

My God. I hadn't a clue.

My heart goes out to you, Quahom.
I was once in love with one in the military. The strain that we both endured - but he was getting the crap and it was just rolling downhill. I thought that he was stupid to continue to go through such a mess and be under such defeating stress but not let it go. It takes the heart of a winner to hold true to one's duty. I still don't respect him much but I respect the stamina.

A warrior for your nation and your God. Keep fighting.

Quahom1 · 07-21-2005, 01:41 AM

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My God. I hadn't a clue.

My heart goes out to you, Quahom.
I was once in love with one in the military. The strain that we both endured - but he was getting the crap and it was just rolling downhill. I thought that he was stupid to continue to go through such a mess and be under such defeating stress but not let it go. It takes the heart of a winner to hold true to one's duty. I still don't respect him much but I respect the stamina.

A warrior for your nation and your God. Keep fighting.

Normally it isn't discussed much. I'm sorry that military person did not garner your respect, however, no one is perfect, and sometimes that imperfection is accented once in the military

Sometimes the military can be a very harsh "mistress". Hah, did you know that when a military person retires from service, the spouse receives an award as well? Yes, for dedication to service above and beyond the call of duty, that the spouse never swore to uphold, let alone the fact that they never expected to have to deal with.

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A warrior for your nation and your God. Keep fighting

Faithfulservant also said something similar...I am much obliged to you both.

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Quahom1 · 07-21-2005, 04:19 AM

Not at home per se, however, worth notice...

Soldier survives attack; captures, medically treats sniper (Video)

During a routine patrol in Baghdad June 2, Army Pfc. Stephen Tschiderer, a medic, was shot in the chest by an enemy sniper, hiding in a van just 75 yards away. The incident was filmed by the insurgents.

Tschiderer, with E Troop, 101st "Saber" Cavalry Division, attached to 3rd Battalion, 156th Infantry Regiment, 256th Brigade Combat Team, 3rd Infantry Division, was knocked to the ground from the impact, but he popped right back up, took cover and located the enemy's position.

After tracking down the now-wounded sniper with a team from B Company, 4th Battalion, 1st Iraqi Army Brigade, Tschiderer secured the terrorist with a pair of handcuffs and gave medical aid to the terrorist who'd tried to kill him just minutes before.

See the http//www./wm.gannett.speedera.net/wm.gannett/atpco/071505sniper.wmv attack. Read the account of the incident from the 256th Brigade Combat Team.