human and dinosaurs tracks together?

[wil]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Kindest Regards, wil!

Only that our educated guesses are not as smugly certain as we delude ourselves into believing...that there is still room for questions even amongst all of the pat answers.

No, that is not what I said or advocate. Look anywhere here that I have addressed the issue and you will find I have kept myself decidedly neutral on the subject.

As for art becoming reality...isn't that the operating mantra of any art appreciation class?

So now the dates of the carvings in Peru...are you advocating that the artist physically saw the stegosaurus? Which would make dinos around later...or that he was going from stories...which would make man earlier?? When I look at the kid drawings which they point to as substantial evidence for why the steg has horns and a large head and no spikes on his tail...they evidence to me imagination....

Have we found fossils in that area?? If so is it possible they found fossils and what they carved was a representation of that? Or if not...where did they see the live one...

Now what do you call this artifact... a flying dino, an alien space ship, or an imaginative south american artist ahead of his time?

Central and South American Shuttle

Egypt's isn't the only ancient civilization that has produced puzzling artifacts. A remarkable gold trinket estimated to be at least 1,000 years old - dating perhaps to between 500 and 800 AD - was found in Central America and along coastal areas of South America. If you weren't aware of its age, you might guess that it was a child's model of the Space Shuttle or a delta wing fighter aircraft.

When the artifact was discovered, archaeologists called it a zoomorph, or animal-shaped object. It resembles no known flying animal, however. It looks distinctly mechanical with its delta-shaped wings, stabilizer fins and rudder. It even has what looks like a pilot's seat in the right place. Experts in aerodynamics, however, contend that the wings are too far back for the object's center of gravity, and that the nose is not aerodynamically sound.

Whatever this object is supposed to be or represent, its remarkable resemblance to a modern aircraft or spacecraft is uncanny.

note of interest...this thread has spurred the following banner link The Evidence for a Recent Dating for Adam, 14,000 to 15,000 years ago

[juantoo3]

Kindest Regards, wil!

Originally Posted by wil

So now the dates of the carvings in Peru...are you advocating that the artist physically saw the stegosaurus? Which would make dinos around later...or that he was going from stories...which would make man earlier?? When I look at the kid drawings which they point to as substantial evidence for why the steg has horns and a large head and no spikes on his tail...they evidence to me imagination....

I only just found the pics of the steg carved into a wall in a Cambodian Temple today, I don't know anything about it. Yet. I didn't see a steg right off in the Peruvian stuff, I did see a textile representation that looks remarkably like the Ishtar Gate Sirrush. Are we to presume these Peruvian Indians of about a thousand years ago were in the past in communication with Sumeria / Babylon? I did see pots and other ceramics depicting triceratops, and even something similar to a Rex, and others.

Originally Posted by wil

Have we found fossils in that area?? If so is it possible they found fossils and what they carved was a representation of that? Or if not...where did they see the live one...

I don't know about fossil finds, it is certainly possible.

Originally Posted by wil

Now what do you call this artifact... a flying dino, an alien space ship, or an imaginative south american artist ahead of his time?

Ah, that would broach into another area of contention, the whole "Chariots of the G-ds" thing. In spite of the general consensus against Von Daniken regarding his assessment of the Line Drawings on the plain of Nazca, the area in and around there is a haven for UFO fans because of the frequent sightings. I have heard suggestion there may even be a clandestine base located high in the Andes mountains above Nazca. According to some belief in otherworlders is common among the native population there. I have nothing to confirm, of course, only repeating various rumors I have heard through the years. Particularly since UFO's are not one of my stronger interests.

Originally Posted by wil

note of interest...this thread has spurred the following banner link The Evidence for a Recent Dating for Adam, 14,000 to 15,000 years ago

Interesting, since a cursory look went straight to the issue of pre-historic agriculture...definitely one of my main areas of interest. Something to look into soon.

Peace, all!

[Muslimwoman]

Time is not the same for G-d as for humans, so a day to us is ??? to G-d. G-d created evolution. Problem solved - phew that was easy.

[juantoo3]

Kindest Regards, Muslimwoman!

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

Time is not the same for G-d as for humans, so a day to us is ??? to G-d. G-d created evolution. Problem solved - phew that was easy.

While I want to agree, does not this line of reasoning effectively seal off sincere inquiry? "Why ask?, G-d did it, that's all you gotta know."

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Kindest Regards, Muslimwoman!

While I want to agree, does not this line of reasoning effectively seal off sincere inquiry? "Why ask?, G-d did it, that's all you gotta know."

Gosh I hope not juantoo. I trained as a scientist and my absolute favourite question is "why". There is so much for us still to learn about our planet and universe and I don't think we should ever stop trying to learn. I just meant that many people see it as an either/or situation (either evolution happened or G-d created everything), I just happen to believe in both together.

I also believe the more we learn about our surroundings, the closer we come to G-d. Could you imagine if G-d had created all of this and we just shrugged and said "yeah, so what". It is, imho, our duty to G-d to marvel at His creation and try our hardest to understand it.

Salaam
MW

[Auster]

The Creationist Museum has proof men and dinosaurs walked together...Apparently the reason for their disappearance is due to their size, they didn't fit in Noah's ark.
About God creating evolution, then how do we explain it to those, like me, who don't believe in a creator god?
There are many unexplained ocurrences, the Nazca plains drawings that can only be seen from the air, the abandonment of Macchu Pichu, and somebody has yet to build a simile of the Egyptian Pyramids without modern tools. The ancient Egyptians didn't have the wheel.

The Mayan pyramids are also rather mysterious, so are the carved monoliths at Easter Island. There aren't any linkages as to their real reason for being. Years ago when Erik Von Daniken(Chariots of the Gods) questioned the explanations advanced, often, arem chair anthropologists and 'archeologists' that did their best to appropriate and despoil the ancient sites, he was called a charlatan and treated with contempt, yet those mysteries endure.
Many coincide on one point: looking at the sky, waiting for something. Maybe the first generations on earth were transplanted here from other points of the universe, then after running out of the original supplies they reverted into semi-feral states and began anew.