I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul - Page 4

Quahom1 · 12-29-2007, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by juantoo3

Every person is born to either lead or follow. Sometimes we lead, sometimes we follow.

It is possible to be both leader and follower at the same time, hence a person can be a master of their own fate *by choosing* to follow (or not) a Higher Master, and a person can be a captain of their soul *by choosing* to follow (or not) a Higher Officer. I can choose to follow (or not) my G-d and still lead my soul in the direction I choose by the wisdom I understand. I can choose to fully submit to whatever authority presents itself, real or imagined, and follow where the wind blows. Either way, the choice is mine and I have no other to blame. In the end, there is only so much guilt and blame that can be averted by blaming faulty leadership...it was one's choice to follow instead of stepping up and taking command of one's own.

It is impossible to be neither leader nor follower. Even a person incapable of thought is subject to the whims of other persons.

Indeed, I am amazed to find myself in a position similar to the Roman Centurian that approached Jesus on behalf of his servant. That is to say that I give orders to be carried out from time to time, and carry out orders as may be given to me from time to time. I such light I can be leading and following at once. But refusal to do either is worthless.

To refuse to follow is anarchy. To refuse to lead is dereliction of duty.

The problem with "fence walking" is the energy and concentration required to keep from slipping...that can be a humbling experience, and eventually one will fall on one side of the fence or the other...

juantoo3 · 12-29-2007, 06:11 AM

Kindest Regards, Q!

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

The problem with "fence walking" is the energy and concentration required to keep from slipping...that can be a humbling experience, and eventually one will fall on one side of the fence or the other...

If by "fence walking" one means moderation or not bruising a blade of grass where one treads, then I agree. With that in mind, I am reminded of some of the most valuable advice I ever received, from my step-father: "when you fall off, pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and keep trying."

Quahom1 · 12-29-2007, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by juantoo3

Kindest Regards, Q!

If by "fence walking" one means moderation or not bruising a blade of grass where one treads, then I agree. With that in mind, I am reminded of some of the most valuable advice I ever received, from my step-father: "when you fall off, pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and keep trying."

If refusing to lead or follow is the same as not trying to bruise a blade of grass, then we are in agreement.

I bet your step-father never mentioned getting back on the fence again...

juantoo3 · 12-29-2007, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

If refusing to lead or follow is the same as not trying to bruise a blade of grass, then we are in agreement.

I bet your step-father never mentioned getting back on the fence again...

Ah, I was afraid I misunderstood.

Well, the point of "try again" was to give what you were doing another go, so if that happened to be fence walking... (I guess as long as it isn't street walking, things will be OK,

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Not bruising a blade of grass requires very diligent leadership of self, which is what I think was Jesus' point. There is no way on earth "not bruising a blade of grass" just happens.

Quahom1 · 12-29-2007, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by juantoo3

Ah, I was afraid I misunderstood.

Well, the point of "try again" was to give what you were doing another go, so if that happened to be fence walking... (I guess as long as it isn't street walking, things will be OK,

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Not bruising a blade of grass requires very diligent leadership of self, which is what I think was Jesus' point. There is no way on earth "not bruising a blade of grass" just happens.

ergo, lead, follow...there is no get out of the way...

can't bruise a blade of grass without walking...unless one is Jesus.

greymare · 01-06-2008, 07:17 AM

Here is a thought..... if we all thought of ourselves as role models, would our actions differ. for eg. I use to say pretty dumb things about "love". ( dont believe in it.... its only for children..." but one day I overheard my son saying this toa friend of his and it made me realise....I have to wake up.. Lead for my children. I am a role model. and so is everyone. If we realized this more often maybe we would think before we act etc. what do you think. although I still believe its up to me, no one or nothing else. so that is where we differ. from the Grey

juantoo3 · 01-06-2008, 10:20 AM

Kindest Regards, Greymare!

Thank you for your input!

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Originally Posted by greymare

Here is a thought..... if we all thought of ourselves as role models, would our actions differ. for eg. I use to say pretty dumb things about "love". ( dont believe in it.... its only for children..." but one day I overheard my son saying this toa friend of his and it made me realise....I have to wake up.. Lead for my children. I am a role model. and so is everyone. If we realized this more often maybe we would think before we act etc. what do you think. although I still believe its up to me, no one or nothing else. so that is where we differ. from the Grey

That is certainly one choice of a way to lead one's self.

greymare · 01-08-2008, 09:11 AM

thanks 123, yes sometimes I have thoughts that even startle myself. LOL

Quahom1 · 01-12-2008, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by greymare

thanks 123, yes sometimes I have thoughts that even startle myself. LOL

Imagine that...

greymare · 01-13-2008, 03:27 AM

ok leatherman, bring it on......LOLOL. We dont have to know the ins and outs of the holy books to have some bright ideas, ya know. LOL.

juantoo3 · 01-13-2008, 07:07 AM

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ok leatherman, bring it on......LOLOL. We dont have to know the ins and outs of the holy books to have some bright ideas, ya know. LOL.

Actually, that's the point, or a goodly part of it. "Knowing" what to do isn't worth a flip..."doing," even without knowing quite why, is where the value is.

That is one of the most ironic issues I see concerning all of the fuss and ruckus over this word and that tense and the other interpretation, all of which is ultimately nonsense when so few attempt to observe what the words point to "do"ing.

cyberpi · 03-28-2008, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by juantoo3

Every person is born to either lead or follow. Sometimes we lead, sometimes we follow.

It is possible to be both leader and follower at the same time, hence a person can be a master of their own fate *by choosing* to follow (or not) a Higher Master, and a person can be a captain of their soul *by choosing* to follow (or not) a Higher Officer. I can choose to follow (or not) my G-d and still lead my soul in the direction I choose by the wisdom I understand. I can choose to fully submit to whatever authority presents itself, real or imagined, and follow where the wind blows. Either way, the choice is mine and I have no other to blame. In the end, there is only so much guilt and blame that can be averted by blaming faulty leadership...it was one's choice to follow instead of stepping up and taking command of one's own.

It is impossible to be neither leader nor follower. Even a person incapable of thought is subject to the whims of other persons.

I am a soul. I am made the captain of my flesh. But again, I am NOT the master of my own fate. As you say, a person must follow and lead. How easy it is for adults to isolate themselves as masters of their own fate rather than having faith in another. Being the master of one's own fate implies an absolute control that is simply not there. Many choices are made, but not everything is a choice. Many people do NOT understand the power of God in this very world.

Matthew 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

Quahom1 · 03-28-2008, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberpi

I am a soul. I am made the captain of my flesh. But again, I am NOT the master of my own fate. As you say, a person must follow. How easy it is for adults to isolate themselves as masters of their own fate rather than having faith in another.

Matthew 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

I'm not allowed to run the ship
The whistle I can not blow,
I'm not the one who designates
How far the ship shall go… I'm not allowed to blow off steam
Or even ring the bell… But
Let the damn thing hit the pier
And see who catches hell !!

cyberpi · 03-28-2008, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

I'm not allowed to run the ship
The whistle I can not blow,
I'm not the one who designates
How far the ship shall go… I'm not allowed to blow off steam
Or even ring the bell… But
Let the damn thing hit the pier
And see who catches hell !!

Cute, but I'm the one trying to convince the General to be more like a serving Private, and the Private to be more like an outspoken General.... surely I'll be escorted off the plank long before any pier.

Where do you think God would be in a uni-directional chain of command?

Quahom1 · 03-28-2008, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberpi

Cute, but I'm the one trying to convince the General to be more like a serving Private, and the Private to be more like an outspoken General.... surely I'll be escorted off the plank long before any pier.

Where do you think God would be in a uni-directional chain of command?

Cy,

thank you for your reply. You know as well as me that there is no such animal as "uni-directional" COC. The other name for it is "chaos" or "anarchy"

There is only one chain of command, and it must be pyramidal in shape, though not neccessarily fat bottom down...

Oh, and as an aside...why is it that the place where the privates eat is called the General mess, and where the Generals eat is called the "private mess"? Can't figure that one out either...