I have a question concerning Jesus..... - Page 4

Conscience · 04-19-2005, 07:40 PM

According to the Bible, God the Father is invisible, and no man can see God in his Glory and live. Scriptures also go on to say that Jesus is the visible image of the invisible God.

lunamoth · 04-19-2005, 07:53 PM

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Jesus is the Visible image of the Invisible God. Whoever sees him, has seen the father. No, no, Jesus isnt the father. But, he is God. The Godhead is so simple to understand, I dont see how people dont understand it. If we look at the Bible as a whole, we'll see God saying it clear as day. The OT for example, tells of who God was going to deal with sin, and the NT reveals how he did it. How did he do it? He made himself the lamb that was slain before the foundation of the world. This was the plan of God all along, to redeem that which was lost. This plan began BEFORE we was actually lost - before man sined - before Lucifer sined. This is God's way of fixing what he knew was going to be broken. It took perfect blood to do that, because there is NO remittion of sins without blood. Think about this for a moment:

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was empty, a formless mass cloaked in darkness. And the Spirit of God was hovering over its surface. Then God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. Gen.1:1-3

That "light" could not have been the sun, moon, and stars. Why? Because they werent made until the 4th day. What was that light? Well, Jesus himself said that he is the light of the world.

Could it be true? Did God seperate himself way before anything was made, to fix what he knew would occure? Could the Word that "was with God", and the word that "is God," be the same word that came flesh, and dwelled among us?

Well, actually, the Godhead, the Trinity, is not easy to understand. In fact I don't think there is a single person on earth who "understands" it. Three distinct yet One in God? No, this is not something you wrap your mind around. Perhaps the heart has a chance...that's why it is called a Mystery.

lunamoth

Conscience · 04-19-2005, 08:00 PM

I guess. But, I personally believe that the Holy Spirit revealed to me that he is part of a triune God.

lunamoth · 04-19-2005, 08:02 PM

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I guess. But, I personally believe that the Holy Spirit revealed to me that he is part of a triune God.

And I believe you.

peace,
lunamoth

Marcion · 04-20-2005, 01:18 AM

I agree with Luna, I've never been able to understand the Trinity even though I've been studying this Triune concept all my known life! sheesh. It actually drove me away from Christianity for awhile till I learned there were OTHER concepts out there, maybe like Jesus was the Son of God.

Marcion · 04-20-2005, 01:28 AM

Another more subtle reason for rejecting the Trinity is because so many thousands of followers of those OTHER christian churches who taught Jesus was God's son, were usually tortured and stoned to death just because they didn't agree with the ALLMIGHTY TRINITY, and not because they were any real threat to Trinitarian Churches. That tells me there's a more subtle meaning behind this Trinitarian ideology. Something like controlling society through religious submission.

The elite Trinitarians themselves didn't even care about their own society at times. Some popes went so far as to say "Kill them all, God himself will know who is Trinitarian and who is not." So you folks actually trust the founding fathers of the Trinitarian churches? UNREAL!....

lunamoth · 04-20-2005, 01:50 AM

OK, well I don't reject the Trinity. I accept the Mystery and as I pray about it I continue to find layers of meaning in It. But should this be something that divides Christians? I don't think so. To persecute other Christians? Absolutely not. No one understands God in His Fullness. I think, in the end, all words and models fall short.

lunamoth

Abogado del Diablo · 04-20-2005, 02:01 AM

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OK, well I don't reject the Trinity. I accept the Mystery and as I pray about it I continue to find layers of meaning in It. But should this be something that divides Christians? I don't think so. To persecute other Christians? Absolutely not. No one understands God in His Fullness. I think, in the end, all words and models fall short.

lunamoth

This one doctrine alone has been the justification for massive violence, suffering and death inflicted on Christians. Frankly, I don't care one way or the other about the "trinity", because it doesn't matter.

But, it saddens me to think of the brutal torture that so many endured and hundreds of thousands of parentless children that resulted from our inability to see anything but the most insignificant differences between us.

lunamoth · 04-20-2005, 02:12 AM

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This one doctrine alone has been the justification for massive violence, suffering and death inflicted on Christians. Frankly, I don't care one way or the other, because it doesn't matter.

But, it saddens me to think of the brutal torture that so many endured and hundreds of thousands of parentless children that resulted from our inability to see anything but the most insignificant differences between us.

Yup. At the end of the day anything done in the name of God that is not love is blasphemy.

peace,
lunamoth

Abogado del Diablo · 04-20-2005, 02:28 AM

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Yup. At the end of the day anything done in the name of God that is not love is blasphemy.

peace,
lunamoth

That gets my vote for post of the day.

Thanks.

Conscience · 04-20-2005, 02:59 AM

Great words Lunamoth!

Bandit · 04-20-2005, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by lunamoth

OK, well I don't reject the Trinity. I accept the Mystery and as I pray about it I continue to find layers of meaning in It. But should this be something that divides Christians? I don't think so. To persecute other Christians? Absolutely not. No one understands God in His Fullness. I think, in the end, all words and models fall short.

lunamoth

i am totally with you on this Luna & I dont think anyone should have to feel they should reject it just because someone else does not see it that way. I feel if it is something my brothers & sisters in Christ believe, I support them and love them & it should not bring divisions. It does not deny Jesus in his place with a relationship to the Godhead according to the scriptures, or any of the attributes that Jesus has in authority.

I think often people feel some kind of dull pain when someone does not see it the same way, but I have tried to let go of that pain & understand there must be a reason for why people see it the way they do.

Then I have wondered, if there is truth in what everyone is seeing.

Abogado del Diablo · 04-20-2005, 02:46 PM

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Then I have wondered, if there is truth in what everyone is seeing.

Yes. There is.

But that's just my opinion.

path_of_one · 04-20-2005, 03:08 PM

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No one understands God in His Fullness. I think, in the end, all words and models fall short.

Yep. And I entirely agree with you all- doctrinal differences should not result in persecution or aggressiveness towards one another. I think it is healthy that we discuss these matters, if only to strengthen our own faith and gain different perspectives. But no resolution is necessary- we are called to love above all.

wil · 08-14-2006, 08:51 PM

oops wrong link sorry