I love Islam

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

For some reason I just can't put this question in the right words. Perhaps it's because I can't get my head around the idea that someone could bellieve that there is onlly one G-d and it is a sin to associate partners with Him, whilst also believing that Jesus (pbuh) is the son of G-d. Also that it's ok to drink wine and eat pork but it is also forbidden to eat pork and drink wine. Sorry i just don't get it.

Well, I prostrate to Allah (swt) at a mosque and I attend and take communion at church so I do find myself unpopular on both sides of an alleged fence. Surely I will someday seek out a synagogue and exchange there too when I get the time. So, I am opposed by those who in their hearts desire isolation between people's beliefs and religions. I wish that every alleged Christian would read and learn the Qur'an since many think they are being Loving and polite but I find are instead remaining apathetic and ignorant. I do notice that it is important that people share in person too. Anyhow, I seek God's judgment and I am not afraid to share and judge with what I learn.

On the issues of 'the' Son of God, forbidden pork, the sin within wine, and associating partners with Allah (swt)... those are good common subjects. I've been there a number of times. I will join in when I have the time or see guidance to do so, but for about 3-4 weeks I will be fading out and then after I hope that you are still here to discuss them.

Maybe in defense of my words and instead of posting letter snippets from Paul in the Islam forum, how about a Qur'an verse or two for those who might be following the Gospel and/or Qur'an?

5:47
Yusufali: Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.

The word 'judge' is a very confused word in Christianity. In 5:46 there is a pattern that the Gospel confirmed that which was before it.... and that continues with the Qur'an in a verse like 10:37.

5:46
Yusufali: And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.


10:37
Yusufali: This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah; on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.
Pickthal: And this Qur'an is not such as could ever be invented in despite of Allah; but it is a confirmation of that which was before it and an exposition of that which is decreed for mankind - Therein is no doubt - from the Lord of the Worlds.
Shakir: And this Quran is not such as could be forged by those besides Allah, but it is a verification of that which is before it and a clear explanation of the book, there is no doubt in it, from the Lord of the worlds.

Yet, in a verse like 5:68 we see that sticking with just the Gospel is wrong.

5:68
Yusufali: Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord." It is the revelation that cometh to thee from thy Lord, that increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. But sorrow thou not over (these) people without Faith.
Pickthal: Say O People of the Scripture! Ye have naught (of guidance) till ye observe the Torah and the Gospel and that which was revealed unto you from your Lord. That which is revealed unto thee (Muhammad) from thy Lord is certain to increase the contumacy and disbelief of many of them. But grieve not for the disbelieving folk.
Shakir: Say: O followers of the Book! you follow no good till you keep up the Taurat and the Injeel and that which is revealed to you from your Lord; and surely that which has been revealed to you from your Lord shall make many of them increase in inordinacy and unbelief; grieve not therefore for the unbelieving people.

So my point is made by the Qur'an. No guidance until. Here is another verse to read closely regarding the believed books:

9:111
Yusufali: Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

Clarification of the religion I follow?


2:135
Yusufali: They say: "Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (To salvation)." Say thou: "Nay! (I would rather) the Religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with Allah."
Pickthal: And they say: Be Jews or Christians, then ye will be rightly guided. Say (unto them, O Muhammad): Nay, but (we follow) the religion of Abraham, the upright, and he was not of the idolaters.
Shakir: And they say: Be Jews or Christians, you will be on the right course. Say: Nay! (we follow) the religion of Ibrahim, the Hanif, and he was not one of the polytheists.


3:67
Yusufali: Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah's (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah.
Pickthal: Abraham was not a Jew, nor yet a Christian; but he was an upright man who had surrendered (to Allah), and he was not of the idolaters.
Shakir: Ibrahim was not a Jew nor a Christian but he was (an) upright (man), a Muslim, and he was not one of the polytheists.


2:148
Yusufali: To each is a goal to which Allah turns him; then strive together (as in a race) Towards all that is good. Wheresoever ye are, Allah will bring you Together. For Allah Hath power over all things.
Pickthal: And each one hath a goal toward which he turneth; so vie with one another in good works. Wheresoever ye may be, Allah will bring you all together. Lo! Allah is Able to do all things.
Shakir: And every one has a direction to which he should turn, therefore hasten to (do) good works; wherever you are, Allah will bring you all together; surely Allah has power over all things.

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

Well, I prostrate to Allah (swt) at a mosque and I attend and take communion at church so I do find myself unpopular on both sides of an alleged fence. Surely I will someday seek out a synagogue and exchange there too when I get the time. So, I am opposed by those who in their hearts desire isolation between people's beliefs and religions. I wish that every alleged Christian would read and learn the Qur'an since many think they are being Loving and polite but I find are instead remaining apathetic and ignorant. I do notice that it is important that people share in person too. Anyhow, I seek God's judgment and I am not afraid to share and judge with what I learn.

On the issues of 'the' Son of God, forbidden pork, the sin within wine, and associating partners with Allah (swt)... those are good common subjects. I've been there a number of times. I will join in when I have the time or see guidance to do so, but for about 3-4 weeks I will be fading out and then after I hope that you are still here to discuss them.

Maybe in defense of my words and instead of posting letter snippets from Paul in the Islam forum, how about a Qur'an verse or two for those who might be following the Gospel and/or Qur'an?

as salaam aleykum

Wow now that is what I call coexistence - not sure it was intended to mean all in the same person though.

I do not desire isolation, quite the opposite, I could quote the Quran and hadith of the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) all day in support of religious coexistence.

I do hope when you return you will remember this conversation because I truly wish to understand how someone could accept something as forbidden and allowed at the same time. I am not judging it, I simply don't understand it.

I hope you will be well while you are aware. I look forward to further discussions with you on your return.

Salaam