identifying...Babylon the great

[Francis king]

erm, I heard it might have been a deliberate attempt to quash the cult of Isis?

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by mee

Revelation 17:1-5 says: "‘Come, I will show you the judgment upon the great harlot who sits on many waters [peoples], with whom the kings [political rulers] of the earth committed fornication, whereas those who inhabit the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.’ . . . And upon her forehead was written a name, a mystery: ‘Babylon the Great, the mother of the harlots and of the disgusting things of the earth.’" Revelation 18:7 adds that "she glorified herself and lived in shameless luxury."

Sound like you know her Mee.... Pst... Couldn't hook us up?

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by mee

bible prophecy and chronology is very specific, 1914 was the beginning of the end, and Babylon the great did fall in 1919 and it is being made known , so someone has told about it , let him who has ears listen . remember babylon the great is not a litral city, it symbolizes ( the world wide empire of false religion) and this symbolic city no longer has any power over Gods people. and as you mentioned , give thanks to Jehovah God the only true God psalm 83;18 its all happening in the time of the end . and the understanding is there for the taking, but do we want it?

jesus christ was born king of kings, your dates have nothing to do with it. For the father has proclaimed, let all angels of god worship him for his name is above all names, and all that honor the son honor the father, and all that glorify the son glorify the father; for no one has seen the father but the son. so at his birth, as the word of god through whom all things are created came humbly into this world to die for our sins, yet the angels and wise men came to worship him, even the greatest king came on a lowly donkey, and was rejected by men, yet he is the light of the world and our saviour that makes all things new. yet he is coming again with great power and he will judge evil men; the antichrist and the false prophet who have blasphemed against him.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

bible prophecy and chronology is very specific, 1914 was the beginning of the end, and Babylon the great did fall in 1919 and it is being made known , so someone has told about it , let him who has ears listen . remember babylon the great is not a litral city, it symbolizes ( the world wide empire of false religion) and this symbolic city no longer has any power over Gods people. and as you mentioned , give thanks to Jehovah God the only true God psalm 83;18 its all happening in the time of the end . and the understanding is there for the taking, but do we want it?

If 1914 is the date for the end of gentile reign, and the return of Jesus, is based on the laying seige and sacking of Jeruselam, by the Babylonians, and using the formula of 360 days times seven times (and each day equals one year), the total being 2520 years from 1914 would indeed place one at 607 BCE...except Jeruselam was laid seige to in 586 BCE, not 607 BCE. Therefore the actual date for the beginning of end times would be 1893, not 1914.

If one were to use 365 days times seven added to 607 BCE (then the total being 2555), would place the beginning of the end of days would be 1948.

Even if one went and used 365 days times seven and applied it to 586 BCE, the beginning of the end of days would be 1927.

If the actual days of a year (365.25) were multiplied by seven times and added to 607 BCE and 586 BCE respectively the beginning of the end of days would be the fall of 1954 or the fall of 1933.

Regardless, 1914 (using the formula in Daniel 4), never adds up, in any of the possible scenarios.

As far as the world religion, the only one that comes even close would be socialism/communism which got its origins from Karl Marx circa 1848. True it does not have the sway it once had, but neither is it dead. However it is a religion in a great many respects, with the true believer being literally an "apostle" of the faith. The ultimate goal is a workers eutopian paradise wherein all goods and wealth are evenly distributed to all people, while the people swear allegence to the party and the state. There in short, is no room for God.

just some observations.

v/r

Q

[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

If 1914 is the date for the end of gentile reign, and the return of Jesus, is based on the laying seige and sacking of Jeruselam, by the Babylonians, and using the formula of 360 days times seven times (and each day equals one year), the total being 2520 years from 1914 would indeed place one at 607 BCE...except Jeruselam was laid seige to in 586 BCE, not 607 BCE. Therefore the actual date for the beginning of end times would be 1893, not 1914.


just some observations.

v/r

Q

yes ,1914 is the end of the appointed times of the nations, or the end of the Gentiletimes as the king James version puts it, it was at this date that the one with the legal right took the kingship, and of course that one with the legal right was Jesus christ. He is now a reigning king in Gods heavenly kingdom Daniel 2;44 DANIEL 7;13-14 This is the date that Jesus recieved his aurthority ,and since then he has been riding that symbolic white horse as a warrior king. and the ride goes on . waiting for Jesus to arrive in a visible way is not the thing to do as he will not arrive in the flesh and blood of a man . he is right now a reigning king in the heavens and he is directing his people on the earth. and he is full of the active force of the most high (Jehovah) and the directing goes on , and the fullfillment of bible prophecy goes on. you mentioned that 607 was not the right date ,

the seven times of earth’s domination by worldly powers without divine interference amount to 2,520 years. Counting 2,520 years from 607 B.C.E. brings us to 1914 C.E. That is the year when "the appointed times of the nations," or seven times, ended. This means that Jesus Christ began to rule as King of God’s Kingdom in 1914.

Since the Messianic Kingdom has already been established in heaven, should we continue to pray for it to come, as taught by Jesus in the model prayer? (Matthew 6:9, 10) Yes. That petition is proper and still full of meaning. God’s Kingdom will yet assert its full power toward this earth.
The "seven times" of earth’s domination by Gentile powers without interference by God’s Kingdom therefore spanned 2,520 years. They began with the desolation of Judah and Jerusalem in the seventh lunar month (Tishri 15) of 607 B.C.E. (2 Kings 25:8, 9, 25, 26) From that point to 1 B.C.E. is 606 years. The remaining 1,914 years stretch from then to 1914 C.E. Thus, the "seven times," or 2,520 years, ended by Tishri 15, or October 4/5, 1914 C.E.
The "seventy years" that ended in the autumn of the year 537 B.C.E. must have begun, then, in the autumn of 607 B.C.E. The facts bear this out. Jeremiah chapter 52 describes the momentous events of the siege of Jerusalem, the Babylonian breakthrough, and the capture of King Zedekiah in 607 B.C.E. Then, as verse 12 states, "in the fifth month, on the tenth day," that is, the tenth day of Ab (corresponding to parts of July and August), the Babylonians burned the temple and the city. However, this was not yet the starting point of the "seventy years." Some vestige of Jewish sovereignty still remained in the person of Gedaliah, whom the king of Babylon had appointed as governor of the remaining Jewish settlements. "In the seventh month," Gedaliah and some others were assassinated, so that the remaining Jews fled in fear to Egypt. Then only, from about October 1, 607 B.C.E., was the land in the complete sense "lying desolated . . . to fulfill seventy years."—2 Ki. 25:22-26; 2 Chron. 36:20, 21.

[mee]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

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Sound like you know her Mee.... Pst... Couldn't hook us up?

lol ....i have seen a lot of her goings on , and she is full of disgusting things, that is why i have made my break away . i am after faithfulness its much better you know in the long run.

[mee]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

jesus christ was born king of kings, your dates have nothing to do with it. For the father has proclaimed, let all angels of god worship him for his name is above all names, and all that honor the son honor the father, and all that glorify the son glorify the father; for no one has seen the father but the son. so at his birth, as the word of god through whom all things are created came humbly into this world to die for our sins, yet the angels and wise men came to worship him, even the greatest king came on a lowly donkey, and was rejected by men, yet he is the light of the world and our saviour that makes all things new. yet he is coming again with great power and he will judge evil men; the antichrist and the false prophet who have blasphemed against him.

Yes Jesus christ , he was born to be a king and he certainly is one he is right now a reigning king in the well established heavenly kingdom 2;44 Daniel 7;13-14 and yes he will come with the angels with great power to judge , its all happening in this time of the end . putting our trust in the rightful king is the way to go . those against him as a reigning king are the antichrist , and the false prophet who claims to be the way to peace on earth is certainly a false prophet indeed. there is only one way to peace on the earth and that is Gods heavenly kingdom with Jesus as a reigning king Daniel 2;44 Daniel 7;13-14 yes the false prophet sure is putting itself in the place of the only way to peace . and that is blasphemy. its best to look to the right channel, and then it will be the true way to peace on the earth. putting our trust in the only way to peace is the way to go . manmade counterfeits are not the real thing and will only fail . there is only one way to salvation and Jesus plays a very very big part in it .

[mee]

SUDDEN, shocking, devastating—such will be the demise of Babylon the Great! It will be one of the most catastrophic events in all history, marking the start of the "great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again."—Matthew 24:21.

[Prober]

Originally Posted by mee

lol ....i have seen a lot of her goings on , and she is full of disgusting things, that is why i have made my break away . i am after faithfulness its much better you know in the long run.

Amen.

[Marsh]

Originally Posted by kenod

You have still not explained the 1000+ years gap that your interpretation puts between the legs and the feet. Nor have you explained that Daniel only spoke of FOUR kingdoms - you are making a fifth kingdom. It seems clear to me that Rome (iron) would continue right until the end, when the Messianic Kingdom will be set up.

Well, I guess it depends on how you look at it, Kenod. Here are a few alternative views:

To my reading of the book of Daniel, the only place where I see iron equated with Rome is in the footnotes; the Roman empire didn't exist in Daniel's time, so he wouldn't have made that connection, anyways. Rome could be iron, but Rome is so connected to Greece in many ways that the belly and thighs of brass could refer to both of them, with iron coming afterwards. My basis for this is Daniel's description of the fourth beast with teeth of iron that was different than the other three beasts that came before it. The Roman empire covered mostly the same territory as the Greek, was governed much in the same way, had the same gods in their pantheon... doesn't seem much different than what came before it.

Another way to look at it is as if the Roman empire has never ended, leaving no gap at all. Think about it: Before the final end of the Roman empire proper, Rome had colonized Britain and what would become Germany and Russia. Even up until the First World War the titles of Kaiser in Germany and Czar in Russia were based on the title of Caesar. To me, Britain can be looked at as the legacy of the Roman Empire (just ask James Joyce the next time you see him), and since it was the British that colonized America it could be said that America is now holding the same torch that the Romans lit.

Just thoughts. Hey, how's that for resurrecting an old thread?

Marsh

[mee]

Originally Posted by Marsh

Just thoughts. Hey, how's that for resurrecting an old thread?

Marsh

A good thread to resurrect very timely indeed , soon
BABYLON THE GREAT will be destroyed , and it will be the most high JEHOVAH himself that will put it into the minds of those who think it is their thought to do it .


and at that time when that happens, it will be the START OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION. revelation 7;14


being no part of BABYLON THE GREAT is where Gods people are NOW REVELATION 18;4 -5
And I heard another voice out of heaven say: "Get out of her, my people, if YOU do not want to share with her in her sins, and if YOU do not want to receive part of her plagues. For her sins have massed together clear up to heaven, and God has called her acts of injustice to mind.

Jehovah uses human rulers in executing judgment. "For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, even to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished." (Revelation 17:17)


What is God’s "thought"? To arrange for the executioners of Babylon the Great to band together, in order to destroy her completely.

Of course, the rulers’ motive in attacking her will be to carry out their own "one thought." They will feel that it is in their nationalistic interests to turn upon the great harlot.


They may come to view the continued existence of organized religion within their boundaries as a threat to their sovereignty.

But Jehovah will actually be maneuvering matters; they will carry out his thought by destroying his age-old, adulterous enemy at one stroke!—Compare Jeremiah 7:8-11, 34.


stand still and see the salvation of Jehovah,
JEHOVAHS people have got out of BABYLON THE GREAT and they have allowed JEHOVAH to take them in . thats the wayto do it

[mee]

Because they support the political systems of the world, many religious leaders have opposed, even persecuted, those who proclaim the truth about God’s Kingdom.


Interestingly, the Bible book of Revelation mentions a symbolic harlot “Babylon the Great”


who is “drunk with the blood of the holy ones and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus.” REV 17 4-7 She also practices spiritual harlotry by lending her support to earth’s “kings,” or political rulers, receiving favors in return.

This symbolic woman is none other than the false religions of the world. She is a major part of the antichrist. REV 18;2-3 JAMES 4;4