if God saved our sins,why dont we go straight to heaven?

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by cavalier

Sorry to keep doing this, I'm not as knowledgable as you, could you give me the reference again. I did not forget about the branch (though time will tell if I was mistaken as to it's meaning.) I thought however, that it referred to those who believed in Christ Jesus and would therefore not include everyone.

You are correct. It is (the branch grafted onto the tree) all men, who accept Christ. The rest take their chances (according to Christian doctrine).

And if you are declaring what of those who don't accept Christ...well, I don't know. I guess they'll find out in the final days.

See, Christians will stand before God just like everyone else, at the end. However, Christians will not have to justify their lives (as in going one way or the other). They will be judged on their merits, after they became Christians. So the reward they may have stored in heaven will be the issue.

Me? I'll be blessed just to get through the gates...

Get it now?

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[cavalier]

Finally.


Let me remind you how this started, Dondi asked the question, "What about those who don't know they are drowning?"

You replied,

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Kind of hard to know one is not drowning.

I pointed out that actually there were those who were not aware. When I made this statement I was not referring to those who have been saved through Christ Jesus.

Now, finally it appears that you have "got it" and realised that there are those who do not know they are drowning.

[Always Right]

Christ Jesus had forgiven our sins ,One has to believe HE died for you and lead a perfect life without going on living a life of sin .

[enton]

Originally Posted by Zaakir

christians beleive god sent jesus down to save our sins, how does this work...what sins?and if he removed our sins...then why dont we go to heaven...you probably will reply because people didnt accept him...bus so what...he saved our sins right?

Hello Zaakir, I read your avatar and it says "part of ummah"

I have posts there, just locate my username enton .

Anyway, you talked about us (christians). Part of the plans of God the Father in saving mankind from the deceit of satan (the father of lies, the god of this world), is the manifestation of Christ in human flesh. In fact the war between the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent started in when in Genesis 3:15 God said: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

With that verse as basis, Christ was sent forth by the Father as mediator. So, when he was nailed on the cross, he bore the sins of the world. The only thing for the men to be saved is to do and experience what Jesus did. Jesus Christ, who knew no sin, experienced water baptism through immersion. Jesus Christ is an obedient Son to His Father. And as a mediatore and fulfiller of the prophecy in Isaiah 9:6, you should have to be an obedient son to Christ (The everlasting Father, Prince of Peace )

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Luke 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Why children of resurrection?

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

So first and foremost, baptism before salvation.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Jhn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.