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Old 09-12-2006, 08:13 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Re: If God was to send us a message.

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...but he is just coming back...
sorry, tickled me the way you wrote it, like walking to the store. I love it though, probably tis nothin either...just like walkin to the store...

"Hi guys, just flew down from heaven, and boy are my arms tired, badabing, seriously, one question. What do I have to do this incarnation to get you to listen??"
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Old 09-12-2006, 09:21 PM   #47 (permalink)
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sorry, tickled me the way you wrote it, like walking to the store. I love it though, probably tis nothin either...just like walkin to the store...

"Hi guys, just flew down from heaven, and boy are my arms tired, badabing, seriously, one question. What do I have to do this incarnation to get you to listen??"
Damn wil, u funny
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Old 09-13-2006, 01:14 AM   #48 (permalink)
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So it [car] evolved from a horse because it drives on horsepower.
You know better than that.

The car comes from the carriage (see Q's post for dertails). They just take the power of the horse and sit it in the carriage so the carriage can go on its own power. The horse is absent. Only the horse's power is there. Get it?

You will have to rework your allegory.
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Old 09-13-2006, 06:04 AM   #49 (permalink)
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You know better than that.

The car comes from the carriage (see Q's post for dertails). They just take the power of the horse and sit it in the carriage so the carriage can go on its own power. The horse is absent. Only the horse's power is there. Get it?

You will have to rework your allegory.
If you take the horsepower out of any car then it ceases to be a car. No car, vehicle, or body will run, drive, roll, walk, crawl, fly, shine a light, or even breath without horsepower. It wasn't fish power, bird power, or penguine power that evolved into the car... or any vehicle. It was the horse power.
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Old 09-13-2006, 06:08 AM   #50 (permalink)
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Ummm clean burning horse manure... Do you think it will sell?
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Old 09-13-2006, 08:24 AM   #51 (permalink)
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i am a muslim...and i believe this
there is no god but god, and Muhammad is His last messenger
also known as the shahada, which all muslims i would think follow, as its the core beleif and principle in islam, sayin there would be another prophet in islam is against islam right?there will be another prophet on earth in the future called jesus, but he is just coming back, not a new prophet
Well one may subscribe to whatever view one likes, there is no compulsion whatsoever. The world has become civilized now.
I was pointing and resolving the contradictions in your above statement ,even when you had not sent your post, with my interpretation as one is entitled to interpret the way one finds it is truthful. I request you to read my post again.We are not making a debate we are just discussing. Thanks
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Old 09-13-2006, 08:47 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Re: If God was to send us a message.

One God may have created this world ... but it took many angels. This is something - I'm thinking about, at the moment.

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Old 09-13-2006, 06:05 PM   #53 (permalink)
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i was just tlkin bout islam, i thought it was the beleif taht there is no other prophet to come?anyway i dont agree the world is civilised!i know there is a lot of crap here towards muslims, there was a programme the other day showing so called extremists and they were in a club with strippers. this is not what i call an extremist muslim, whatever extreme means, but i wouldnt see tehse people as being extreme in their religion, people seem to take what ever view the media says, dont you think!?
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...Give us this day our daily energy...

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One God may have created this world ... but it took many angels. This is something - I'm thinking about, at the moment.

Namaskar,

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For that One (swt) that created horsepower, is it really a requirement to use horsepower and energy, the derivative of the horse? Can anyone calculate the energy required to create energy? The answer is NO, because no human has ever created energy. It has been measured to be impossible... so I'm told. Energy is like the blank sheets of paper given to us so that we can write on them... once it is written on, whether we keep the paper, crumple it, burn it, or shred it, the record of what we did with the paper remains. The paper can no longer be made into blank sheets again because if you think of a way to make one sheet clean, you will have have used up more sheets in the process. The sole purpose of energy and its integration over time, horsepower, is to keep a written record. That's my opinion, but it was seemingly formed first by science... and later as I realized, Jesus (pbuh) already said it long ago that, "every hair is counted". The Qur'an more heavily reports that a record is kept, and splits it into an Illiyin and a Sijjin (AL-MUTAFFIFIN).

I should also take the time to note that most Europeans prefer to measure their mechanical power using the non-metric measurement of Horse-Power, rather than to give a Scottish engineer and inventor the credit for the industrial revolution. I wonder if it is the Scottish that equally refrain from giving credit to the horse. Perhaps they compare the Wattage of their cars or maybe they use the metric of calories per second to spite the non-Metric 'British thermal units per hour'... not that either of those are Metric or even the actual derivative of unused energy. Perish the thought, but devolution there is as savory these days as evolution. I figure it must be the same for God (swt) though, because man has never created energy or power, yet still has a hard time thanking God (swt) for it. How easy it is to forget the line, "Please give us this day our daily energy"... or was it bread? Jesus (pbuh) also said that man does not live on bread alone... so while I wonder how an angel lives, I think it is only invention to think God (swt) is not the provider. As Jesus (pbuh) said, man also lives by every word that God (swt) provides.
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Old 09-13-2006, 11:22 PM   #55 (permalink)
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Re: If God was to send us a message.

For the record, so to speak, power is the rate that energy is used. I got lost in the English and integrated a derivative. Whether the car is derived from the horse or not, horsepower is the time derivative of energy being used and the energy consumed is the integration over time of the horsepower applied.

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i was just tlkin bout islam, i thought it was the beleif taht there is no other prophet to come?anyway i dont agree the world is civilised!i know there is a lot of crap here towards muslims, there was a programme the other day showing so called extremists and they were in a club with strippers. this is not what i call an extremist muslim, whatever extreme means, but i wouldnt see tehse people as being extreme in their religion, people seem to take what ever view the media says, dont you think!?
I object. Anyone given a little guidance is given a message. I see no Faith in trying to shackle God (swt) in the minds of men by interpreting the 'SEAL' in a verse to mean the last person with communication from God (swt). Is the purpose of prayer not to communicate? Can you really do a good deed for someone without knowing from that someone what a good deed is? I maintain that communication is a necessary component of Faith, the primary intent here being between people. But if someone does not accept that they are within God's power today then what do they pray to... a stone wall?
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Re: If God was to send us a message.

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Hello fellow monotheists!

If God was to send us a message by say a prophet! What would you like to hear? Or what do you think he will have to say? Feel free to express your views, I'm curious!
God would say, "You people should really stop hurting each other. Seriously. I should smack you."
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Old 09-13-2006, 11:46 PM   #57 (permalink)
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If you take the horsepower out of any car then it ceases to be a car. No car, vehicle, or body will run, drive, roll, walk, crawl, fly, shine a light, or even breath without horsepower. It wasn't fish power, bird power, or penguine power that evolved into the car... or any vehicle. It was the horse power.
In the new Lotus, it is Torque (not horse power), that runs the car. It is all electric, 130 mph, 60 in 4.2 duration 250 miles recharge on common house current, 3 hours. (same with one of the first cars ever made). And another first car was run on atmospheric pressure from steam (which almost won over combustion engines using fossil fuel).

Americans coined the phrase horse power (in Russia it is "loshid").

A Human can put out the equivelent of 3/4s Horse power, doesn't mean we are part horse. It's just an expression indicating a certain output of kinetic/mechanical energy per consumption of fuel, at a specific efficiency rating.

just a thought

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God would say, "You people should really stop hurting each other. Seriously. I should smack you."
But, that would be "politically incorrect"... (lol)
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In the new Lotus, it is Torque (not horse power), that runs the car. It is all electric, 130 mph, 60 in 4.2 duration 250 miles recharge on common house current, 3 hours. (same with one of the first cars ever made). And another first car was run on atmospheric pressure from steam (which almost won over combustion engines using fossil fuel).
If torque drove a car instead of horsepower then people would put a giant gearbox on the end of an electric shaver and drive to work with it. Said another way, if you block the tires of the Lotus it will burn power just trying to produce a torque, without going anywhere... and if it does move the horsepower into the rotating tires is the torque times the rate of rotation. Said another way, the battery life does not lie about the horsepower or the energy that it has to deliver.

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Americans coined the phrase horse power (in Russia it is "loshid").
James Watt was NOT an American.

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A Human can put out the equivelent of 3/4s Horse power, doesn't mean we are part horse. It's just an expression indicating a certain output of kinetic/mechanical energy per consumption of fuel, at a specific efficiency rating.
When the heart stops, the body stops... that is not an expression. The body requires horsepower. The mind requires horsepower. The strength requires horsepower. The horsepower the soul controls is more than the body. One demonstrates that every time they step into a car, flip a power switch, or ride a horse.
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If torque drove a car instead of horsepower then people would put a giant gearbox on the end of an electric shaver and drive to work with it. Said another way, if you block the tires of the Lotus it will burn power just trying to produce a torque, without going anywhere... and if it does move the horsepower into the rotating tires is the torque times the rate of rotation. Said another way, the battery life does not lie about the horsepower or the energy that it has to deliver.


James Watt was NOT an American.


When the heart stops, the body stops... that is not an expression. The body requires horsepower. The mind requires horsepower. The strength requires horsepower. The horsepower the soul controls is more than the body. One demonstrates that every time they step into a car, flip a power switch, or ride a horse.
Lol, you know not much about electric motors, nor steam boilers, nor combustion engines...that is quite obvious, it seems. I on the other hand know a GREAT DEAL about all three, intimately, plus a fourth... And I opine you simply wish to find a place to argue. I have not time for arguing with what I already know, and you do not.

So, by all means "carry on"...

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edit: I think God would say "ignore the self impressed..." I guess that would include me, and you...

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