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Old 09-14-2006, 10:21 AM   #61 (permalink)
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I object. Anyone given a little guidance is given a message. I see no Faith in trying to shackle God (swt) in the minds of men by interpreting the 'SEAL' in a verse to mean the last person with communication from God (swt). Is the purpose of prayer not to communicate? Can you really do a good deed for someone without knowing from that someone what a good deed is? I maintain that communication is a necessary component of Faith, the primary intent here being between people. But if someone does not accept that they are within God's power today then what do they pray to... a stone wall?
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Old 09-14-2006, 09:32 PM   #62 (permalink)
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But if someone does not accept that they are within God's power today then what do they pray to... a stone wall?
Is that a little "swipe" at a particular faith?
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Old 09-15-2006, 06:44 PM   #63 (permalink)
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we can all have our own interpretation, but this doesnt meen we are a messenger
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Old 09-15-2006, 09:57 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Lol, you know not much about electric motors, nor steam boilers, nor combustion engines...that is quite obvious, it seems. I on the other hand know a GREAT DEAL about all three, intimately, plus a fourth... And I opine you simply wish to find a place to argue. I have not time for arguing with what I already know, and you do not.
I can't image a physics or engineering entrance exam into heaven, so I'm not sure of the source of your concern. I see no job application. The anology I present and defense of the physics or history were not intended to demonstrate or question anyones personal capability. I tend to think the body and its capability are going to become worm food at best anyway. So while I argue science, physics, religion, and politics, I have limited to no interest in comparing one's personal features. Sticking to the analogy though, if someone were to put on neon lights or roll back an odometer to make a fast sell then I do think they would have something important to learn from if they honestly evaluate their motives.
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If God was to send us a message by say a prophet! What would you like to hear? Or what do you think he will have to say? Feel free to express your views, I'm curious!
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Old 09-16-2006, 03:27 AM   #66 (permalink)
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If you take the horsepower out of any car then it ceases to be a car. No car, vehicle, or body will run, drive, roll, walk, crawl, fly, shine a light, or even breath without horsepower. It wasn't fish power, bird power, or penguine power that evolved into the car... or any vehicle. It was the horse power.
Who says we can't call it fishpower or bird power?

Your knowledge re vehicles seems to be extremely limited. This article may enlighten you. Any carriage or hand-cart or rowboat or bicycle can be a vehicle. Animals, however, are not.
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Is that a little "swipe" at a particular faith?
No, I am objecting to anyone using the word 'faith' to mean a religion or a belief. I submit that Faith is an important concept common across people with different religions and beliefs. I think they are unique words. For example, I submit that Faith requires communication. Many people from different religions have built stone walls and castles around themselves instead of developing Faith with others.

I say communication NOT to make a contest out of whether or not someone has a relationship with God (swt): I suggest that all people have a relationship they are not fully aware of, and hopefully see a fully positive relationship some day.
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Who says we can't call it fishpower or bird power?
I was not implying you can't invent new words or units, but the fish and the bird have not provided people with a fraction of the direct external horsepower that the horse has.

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Your knowledge re vehicles seems to be extremely limited. This article may enlighten you. Any carriage or hand-cart or rowboat or bicycle can be a vehicle. Animals, however, are not.
Remember my initial question, "How different is a breathing body from a breathing vehicle?" If a carriage, hand-cart, rowboat, or bicycle is human powered then it is powered by a body that provides horsepower by consuming energy. People have to consume energy and respirate the same as a horse or a car. Without the power (horsepower), will a carriage, hand-cart, rowboat, or bicycle go anywhere?
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I was not implying you can't invent new words or units, but the fish and the bird have not provided people with a fraction of the direct external horsepower that the horse has.


Remember my initial question, "How different is a breathing body from a breathing vehicle?" If a carriage, hand-cart, rowboat, or bicycle is human powered then it is powered by a body that provides horsepower by consuming energy. People have to consume energy and respirate the same as a horse or a car. Without the power (horsepower), will a carriage, hand-cart, rowboat, or bicycle go anywhere?
Depends upon the degree of incline of the plane on which the "vehicle" in question, sits...

Then by all pretenses, Horsepower is null, since "gravity" takes over.

Yes, we're (I'm) teasing you. Lighten up...

Seriously, a breathing body is nothing near a breathing vehicle. Though the latter is admittedly emulating some of the functions of a living body, in that it requires oxygen to provide the catalyst for fuel to be consumed and converted into energy, which powers the vehicle. And yes, the breathing vehicle has the potential to "store" some energy (of limited scope), for the continued operation of said vehicle, a "reserve" if you will. But when the vehicle is turned off, it is OFF, and cares nothing of that fact. It can also be turned back on, with no memory of its past "life". Humans, can be turned off, but once that is accomplished, the human "machine" is finished. Nothing can turn it back ON. Parts of the Human vehicle can be transferred to other Human vehicles, and continue to operate, but at a decidedly degraded condition.

Oh, and engines don't "resperate"...they "asperate".

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No, I am objecting to anyone using the word 'faith' to mean a religion or a belief. I submit that Faith is an important concept common across people with different religions and beliefs. I think they are unique words. For example, I submit that Faith requires communication. Many people from different religions have built stone walls and castles around themselves instead of developing Faith with others.

I say communication NOT to make a contest out of whether or not someone has a relationship with God (swt): I suggest that all people have a relationship they are not fully aware of, and hopefully see a fully positive relationship some day.
Faith, may not be a religion (as you point out), but it is a "belief". So your objection is, what again?
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Old 09-17-2006, 04:37 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Nothing can turn it back ON.
Sorry to see you disbelieve and deny resurrection. I don't think you wish to argue with me. My advice is to check your facts, think about your motives, and be honest with yourself. You don't need me to argue with.
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Sorry to see you disbelieve and deny resurrection. I don't think you wish to argue with me. My advice is to check your facts, think about your motives, and be honest with yourself. You don't need me to argue with.
Not what I said. I said once turned off, the human body can not be turned back on. Resurrection is a whole different ball game. That is a new body, not the old one. New model if you will, with no flaws, and it can't ever be turned off.

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Old 11-15-2006, 11:24 AM   #73 (permalink)
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Hello fellow monotheists!

If God was to send us a message by say a prophet! What would you like to hear? Or what do you think he will have to say? Feel free to express your views, I'm curious!

There shall be no more prophets... Or it would have said so in the bible.. But if there was a message, what would I like to hear?

"Bill gates! Thou shall donate half of your wealth, estate and assets to 17th." - god...

I would be like "O RLY? kthx pal! lolz1!!1!£f/"


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Yes, we're (I'm) teasing you. Lighten up...
lol, I agree.. Most people here need to lighten up... For such religious "loving" people... their ain't much humour or light talk lol..
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Re: If God was to send us a message.

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No, I am objecting to anyone using the word 'faith' to mean a religion or a belief. I submit that Faith is an important concept common across people with different religions and beliefs. I think they are unique words. For example, I submit that Faith requires communication. Many people from different religions have built stone walls and castles around themselves instead of developing Faith with others.

I say communication NOT to make a contest out of whether or not someone has a relationship with God (swt): I suggest that all people have a relationship they are not fully aware of, and hopefully see a fully positive relationship some day.
Regardless of whether you're right or wrong, when people use the word "faith" they do mean "religion" or "belief." It's how the word is used. That's what happens when we say, "Jewish faith," "Christian faith" or "Islamic faith." It's a cultural thing. Let's not get too technical here. Language is just used for communication. There is no need to be over-meticulous about syntax and semantics.

Suppose someone came up to me and said, "Give me five!!!"

Five what? The number five denotes a quantity. Quantity must be associated with an object. What object am I referring to? But "give me five" is slang. The objects are the fingers on your hand.

How about "let's go and hang out." Hang what out? What are we hanging?

Then there's "Let's talk about the birds and the bees."

Eh? Birds? Bees? Where? I don't see any birds. I don't see any bees. What are you talking about? Sex?

Or consider the phrase "quantum leap." A quantum is a packet of energy. Yet "quantum leap" refers to a rapid advance in technology. Yet since "quantum" refers to a photon, it doesn't refer to advances in technology. People simply use the word to refer to advances in technology because they associate it with something advanced.

Technically, the word isn't being correctly used, but this what people write in magazines. That's how they use it. Physicists and scientists can't force the rest of the world to use the word "quantum" the way they want, just because it's technically incorrect. They can't set up a board of Inquisitors to go around the world, marching into all the publishing houses and cafeterias in the world saying, "The phrase quantum leap is forbidden. A quantum is a packet of energy. It does not mean advances in technology. We will fine you $100 for misusing that word. This is the Law. We expect you to follow it."

There are always going to be people ignorant of the technicalities. The North Pole, for example, is not really a north pole -- it's a south pole!!! Yet we call it a north pole because it's a tradition.

Where are the Linguistic Police? I don't see any Linguistic Police around enforcing the correct use of words.

Big deal if people are wrong. They are going to use the word that way regardless of what you say. That's because everyone else is doing it.
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he did send a prophet and his name was reggae artist sizzla kalonji

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