If you are wrong, do you go to hell? - Page 2

Susma Rio Sep · 08-24-2004, 10:56 PM

I used to be troubled with the prospect of getting to hell.

And I am still troubled.

But my trouble today is somewhat like being troubled when I leave the house that a helicopter might crash on me.

The thought of hell still sends a shiver down my spine whatever rationalization of hell I have in my mind about its existence or its rationality, the latter is that hell is not rational, at least not the Christian version of the everlasting kind.

At present I just have to live with the fear of hell, just like I live with the fear of being hit by a smart bomb.

And yet, helicopter and smart bomb are more fearful to me than hell, except that hell has a longer history with me than helicopter and smart bomb.

Will I get to hell for the kind of thinking and feeling that I have about hell?

It's up to the God if He is the author of hell.

I sometimes make fun of the Apostles's Creed, that line about God being creator of heaven and earth: I would recite that line thus: "I believe in God the Father almighty, creator of heaven and hell..."

If God is reading this, and He is reading everything, for nothing escapes Him, "Please, God, don't send me to hell, because I don't think I deserve it; besides, You wouldn't want something like a hell to exist for the remainder of eternity with your own eixstence -- for it does not make sense".

"It does not make sense, because I being a non-God, unlike You, still have the good sense to make sure that no such place get to be and operate in my small lot of an earthly plot of land, like for example a patch of wild uncut and untrimmed lawn; because it would be a continuous source of discredit to my own sense of being an orderly person, concerned with keeping my environment, which is under my control, always clean and green and fresh and pleasant."

So, am I afraid of hell? Still afraid of hell; but God is sensible like me.

Pachomius2000

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PersonaNonGrata · 08-25-2004, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Susma Rio Sep

So, am I afraid of hell? Still afraid of hell; but God is sensible like me.

Pachomius2000

who else is god if not you

yawn

Quahom1 · 08-31-2004, 05:11 PM

Religion was invented by Cain and Able. Able chose to sacrifice his best animal to God for atonement. (one variation of religion), Cain chose to sacrifice the second portion of his best fruit for atonement (a second variation of religion). The two argued and fought over this and one of them died as a result.

Now God explained to Cain that his brother's blood cried out to Him from the earth where it was spilled, and God decreed that Cain would wander the earth with no place to call his own, but God's mark upon Cain would save him from death at the hands of men (and beasts). However, Cain would not have God to comfort him either. In effect, God did Cain no favors. He put Cain into isolation. He made Cain an 'outcast'.

Perhaps Cain being set and put apart from other men and from God was the beginning of the concept of hell. He was alone.

Cain's choice of sacrifice was not what he did wrong (that part was just a mistake), and God told him so. But Cain's decision to take it out on his brother for God's rejection of his sacrifice (because Able outdid him), was WRONG. Cain watched in envy and anger as Able's sacrifice was accepted by God... So God set Cain apart from all, including God's self.

Cain and Able were not Christian, Jewish, Muslim, or any other faith. They were Cain's way, and Able's way. What caused the one to fall (both fell actually), was acting in Man's way.

Rather than repent for his mistake, and doing the sacrifice again, this time with the first parts of his Fruit, he chose to take his anger out on his brother. Cain refused to accept responsibility for his mistakes, and in turn blamed his misery on some one else. Then he went one further and took vengence on some one else, for mistakes he himself had made (refusal to be accountable for his own actions).

Cain put himself in hell. We are all capable of doing the same thing.

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Mus Zibii · 09-01-2004, 04:47 AM

Hmmm! That's a good take, Quahom. I'll copy and paste that for later.

I, Brian · 09-01-2004, 09:42 PM

Interesting answer - I like the Cain vs Abel perspective.

dauer · 09-28-2004, 03:15 AM

Hi. I'm a Jew. I'm new. I've always been taught that Judaism is a religion due to a covenant between God and the Jews, so these things do not apply to other people. So certainly God could have made other covenants with other people or had revelations to people other than the Jews. The only exception to this is gentiles who accept the laws of Noah, which were laws for the resident alien back in the day. By doing this, they would face the same afterlife a Jew would.

Then again, I personally have no strong feelings about the afterlife. Whatever will be will be.

Dauer

Quahom1 · 09-28-2004, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by dauer

Hi. I'm a Jew. I'm new. I've always been taught that Judaism is a religion due to a covenant between God and the Jews, so these things do not apply to other people. So certainly God could have made other covenants with other people or had revelations to people other than the Jews. The only exception to this is gentiles who accept the laws of Noah, which were laws for the resident alien back in the day. By doing this, they would face the same afterlife a Jew would.

Then again, I personally have no strong feelings about the afterlife. Whatever will be will be.

Dauer

Que sera, sera...Welcome Dauer!

Hope you enjoy reading everyone's thoughts on issues here, and will consider posting more of yours.

Warning: It can get intense, as there are soooo many intelligent persons of conviction here.

But then, as my Dad says "Debate is Great, 'cause it fuels the mind and soul"

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Basstian · 02-01-2005, 09:26 AM

More Confusion or enlightenment you decide

Jesus Did say I
am the way
He Did say No one comes to the Father but through hIm
He also said before Abraham was "I AM"
Talked about other flocks ?
And many more things mysterious that might linke Him to many diferent religions
I Ask you Fire and Brimstone Preacher who ever you might be
Do you want to put limits on what your God is allowed to do?
Would you like to put a limit on save the Sins of the whole world
Is Christs Blood capapble of certain things But yet in other no more powerful than laundry detergent .

I have I Bible I can read Find I understand well most things

another words if Gods see's the good in my neighbor that I dont will I reakk care at thay point?

Peace

But like Paul I say Great is the Mystery

Who Knows the measure of Gods mercy ?
I dont want the Job of Judgement If there is a hell that Sinners and unbelievers are bound for I dont want to decide who goes and who stays.
If I did I know who I would send First This wretched Man that I am I die Daily
but remember Christ Died to sace sinners of whom I am chief.

Peace

Dor · 02-02-2005, 07:19 AM

From my strictly Christian believe:

Yes Jesus did say he was the one way, and he also said no one comes to the father but through me, and salvation is by faith alone that no one enters based on works.

Quote:

Is Christs Blood capapble of certain things But yet in other no more powerful than laundry detergent .

depends on how much you put into the teachings around it...doesnt it basically teach that we have to believe/have faith that he died for our sins to actually make it more powerful than laundry detergent.

As far as what that would mean if Im right to everyone else I just can say Im glad I dont have that job.

Marsh · 02-21-2005, 12:29 AM

Ok, so most people who agree that there is a hell also agree that one does not get sentenced to hell for having believed in the "wrong" religion (assuming that there's a right one).

So... who does go to hell?

khut · 02-21-2005, 02:10 PM

christians agree that only accepting jesus can you go too heaven and be forgiven your sins.

therefore
Hitler goes to heaven because he was a christian but Gandi goes to hell.

Quahom1 · 02-21-2005, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by khut

christians agree that only accepting jesus can you go too heaven and be forgiven your sins.

therefore
Hitler goes to heaven because he was a christian but Gandi goes to hell.

Good morning Khut,

Perhaps certain people claiming Christianity stand by this absolute, however they conveniently (or innocently) forget what Jesus said concerning the judgment of man.

He said there will be those that he knows, and there will be those that claim to be of Him, but He will deny them saying He knows them not. They will not be convicted by what they said in Life, but rather how they acted. He emphasises that how we treat eachother is how we inevitably treat Him (e.g. by clothing, helping, feeding, teaching, treating others with compassion, we in fact do the same to the Lord).

How do you think Jesus will respond to Hitler now?

Looking back on (Mahatma) Ghandi's life, I presume, and refering to the criteria noted above, where do you think Ghandi is/will be?

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Note: Ghandi once said, "I love Christianity, and I would become one glady...if I could find a real Christian."

Sacredstar · 02-21-2005, 04:31 PM

Dear Q

[QUOTE=Quahom1

Note: Ghandi once said, "I love Christianity, and I would become one glady...if I could find a real Christian."[/QUOTE]

Love it.......that is so true!

Many pay lip service but few walk the talk or the teachings, but hey as life is eternal we get another go at it...

Blessings in abundance

Sacredstar

Quahom1 · 02-21-2005, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sacredstar

...Many pay lip service but few walk the talk or the teachings, but hey as life is eternal we get another go at it...

Sacredstar

He, he, he, if what you say is true, and your basis is on the Zodiacal wheel, I'd better get it right, this time, 'cause this is my last trip on this third rock from the sun. (I'm a March baby) <Fish<---->Fish>

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didymus · 02-21-2005, 06:50 PM

The answer lyes in the story of Abraham. He left his country and his family to seek God for himself. God mad e him a promise which applies to us. Abraham left his familiar surroundings(religion/doctrine) and delved into the unknown(faith) . All 3 major monotheistic religions go back to him. We shpould learn a lesson from him and allow the spirit of truth to guide us.