Imagine there's no heaven... - Page 6

cyberpi · 04-20-2007, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Hey brah! It's not cheating ;\ If you bring the "right cards" to the playing table... Your organised... Planned you know...

Helped some old lady bring home her shopping... There's a Jack in your hand... Save some kids life, taking an ace to the table...

Did you conceal and deceive? Did you play the game with your neighbor as you would have your neighbor play the game with you?

Dondi · 04-21-2007, 01:13 PM

I guess what I was trying to do in this thread is that I come across many Christians who have their heads too far into the clouds. Even in my own denomination, there is a heavy emphasis in getting people "saved" and getting them into heaven that I think they miss the point of getting saved in the first place. Sure, we have an obligation to spread the gospel and tell the good news of Christ's sacrifice. But sometimes I think that as long as we get people saved, we tend to relax in our salvation.

For people who are looking for hope in the world, salvation is just the beginning. Indeed, I think salvation encompasses much more than. It's salvation in the life here and now. It's getting people to see how much God wants to transform them. There are too many people yet in broken homes, bad situations, living on the edge, living meager lives, having little hope in this world. Yeah, we can tell people that they can go to heaven, but that doesn't do much for them now.

If there was no heaven, what hope do you give to people like that? Do you believe in a God that will act on their behaf now?

wil · 04-21-2007, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

I can boldly say I cant wait to vacate this place. I can give more scriptural evidence to that fact than that we are to want to remain in this world. I cant wait to see my Jesus. I cant wait to go places that this fleshly body stops me from going. I cant wait..

But Im waiting regardless..

Namaste FS,

Then why did G-d put you here? Surely not just to get there...

Put us all through misery here for somewhere between a minute and 120 years?

Surely there is a purpose we are here...something we are supposed to get before we get to the screen... Do you think you've picked up all those tools, received all those instructions and lessons that the rest of the time is just sitting at the bus stop?

Quahom1 · 04-21-2007, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondi

I guess what I was trying to do in this thread is that I come across many Christians who have their heads too far into the clouds. Even in my own denomination, there is a heavy emphasis in getting people "saved" and getting them into heaven that I think they miss the point of getting saved in the first place. Sure, we have an obligation to spread the gospel and tell the good news of Christ's sacrifice. But sometimes I think that as long as we get people saved, we tend to relax in our salvation.

For people who are looking for hope in the world, salvation is just the beginning. Indeed, I think salvation encompasses much more than. It's salvation in the life here and now. It's getting people to see how much God wants to transform them. There are too many people yet in broken homes, bad situations, living on the edge, living meager lives, having little hope in this world. Yeah, we can tell people that they can go to heaven, but that doesn't do much for them now.

If there was no heaven, what hope do you give to people like that? Do you believe in a God that will act on their behaf now?

You're right. That is an excellent point. Heaven is right here on earth, if we choose to accept what Christ said. If we keep looking for tomorrow, we fail to notice today.

wil · 04-21-2007, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

You're right. That is an excellent point. Heaven is right here on earth, if we choose to accept what Christ said. If we keep looking for tomorrow, we fail to notice today.

A-Amen

full circle...

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

Thanx John--sounds like heaven on earth to me.

Quahom1 · 04-21-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by wil

A-Amen

full circle...

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

...never liked Lennon's song...

wil · 04-21-2007, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

...never liked Lennon's song...

which part...which line don't you like? Reading it, hearing it in my mind brings joy, happiness and hope to my heart.

I think the most objectionable to most was "no religion too" exactly what use would religion have in heaven?

Quahom1 · 04-21-2007, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by wil

which part...which line don't you like? Reading it, hearing it in my mind brings joy, happiness and hope to my heart.

I think the most objectionable to most was "no religion too" exactly what use would religion have in heaven?

I don't know, nothing to live or die for I suppose sticks in my craw.

wil · 04-21-2007, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

I don't know, nothing to live or die for I suppose sticks in my craw.

But that line isn't in the song...

Quahom1 · 04-21-2007, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by wil

atBut that line isn't in the song...

Ah, but you see, when I was a kid and heard the song...that's what my mind heard...first impressions tend to stick...

wil · 04-21-2007, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Ah, but you see, when I was a kid and heard the song...that's what my mind heard...first impressions tend to stick...

Sure glad Freud isn't around...could explain our differences!

So now that you know the truth, how does that change your opinion of the song, and what objections do you have to it?

Quahom1 · 04-21-2007, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by wil

Sure glad Freud isn't around...could explain our differences!

So now that you know the truth, how does that change your opinion of the song, and what objections do you have to it?

Intellectually yes, emotionally, no. (lol)

wil · 04-21-2007, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Intellectually yes, emotionally, no. (lol)

Can't let a little thing like facts get in the way of our opinions now than can we.

(meant in the most compassionate way),

Sincerely,

the ditz

Quahom1 · 04-21-2007, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wil

Can't let a little thing like facts get in the way of our opinions now than can we.

(meant in the most compassionate way),

Sincerely,

the ditz

Ouch! Point taken (no pun intended).

Faithfulservant · 04-21-2007, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by wil

Namaste FS,

Then why did G-d put you here? Surely not just to get there...

Put us all through misery here for somewhere between a minute and 120 years?

Surely there is a purpose we are here...something we are supposed to get before we get to the screen... Do you think you've picked up all those tools, received all those instructions and lessons that the rest of the time is just sitting at the bus stop?

No.. Im here to learn.. Its a character building experience. I was born when I told Jesus I was a sinner and I needed Him to be my Lord and Savior. All the stuff that came before was nothing.. Now Im growing up in a sense Im in school and one day I get to go home.