Interfaith as a Faith

[wil]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Now if you are talking of so-called Liberals that are not really proper conversion Liberals then that is another thing altogether. What you must realise is that the Liberalism spends billions globally on conversion(funded by ORDINARY Liberals) against what it sees as ‘rival’ faiths and no amount of nice chumminess over coffee will EVER change this main point.

You can not stop proper Liberals infiltrating events that are ‘supposed’ to be there for acceptance and understanding unless you get real, wise up and begin to recognise how Liberalism really works in society.

I saw on C-span Ann Coulter and another both hawking their books on the horrors and G-dlessness of Liberalism... and how those evil liberals were teaching/preaching peace and tolerance and oneness...when in reality the only thing that keeps peace is iron fists in the right hands...might in weapons, armies...as man is a warrior and conqueror by nature....

we create our own world...by our thoughts and words...I'm ready to jump to the the liberal camp...tired of the world created by the warmongers.

[Blue Jay]

Originally Posted by I, Brian (118)

Point is, they are removed

Might this be bolo's point?

[I, Brian]

If so, he doesn't seem to be aware that we do remove posters. The general impression I'm given is that those who call themselves Christian Fundamentalists should not be given access to the forums in the first place.

Looking on the forums, we have some members who gladly call themselves Christian Fundamentalists but are perfectly capable of showing respect and restraint. And after the past couple of years, have never made any demands on how the boards are run, let alone shown any interest in taking over CR.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by wil

I saw on C-span Ann Coulter and another both hawking their books on the horrors and G-dlessness of Liberalism... and how those evil liberals were teaching/preaching peace and tolerance and oneness...when in reality the only thing that keeps peace is iron fists in the right hands...might in weapons, armies...as man is a warrior and conqueror by nature....

we create our own world...by our thoughts and words...I'm ready to jump to the the liberal camp...tired of the world created by the warmongers.

That is the beauty of liberty. You can choose as you see fit. I for one, did not take Coulter's book, at face value. I chose to research what was being stated...and man did I find out a whole bunch about our government and what kind of crap goes on behind closed doors.

And history thinks Nixon was a liar, and LBJ was an idiot...

[wil]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

That is the beauty of liberty. You can choose as you see fit. I for one, did not take Coulter's book, at face value. I chose to research what was being stated...and man did I find out a whole bunch about our government and what kind of crap goes on behind closed doors.

And history thinks Nixon was a liar, and LBJ was an idiot...

There you go again...droppin tidbits..gonna start another thread?

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by wil

There you go again...droppin tidbits..gonna start another thread?

Why? got yer goat?

[bolo]

bolo, I think you quite misunderstand what interfaith is - it isn't about only choosing the most liberal people to come together and agree - it's about dialogue with everybody.

I am sorry Brian but that does not quite hold water.

Pardon! “dialogue with everybody” yet “everyone” does NOT include some that you have “ejected!” That seems quite illogical to me. 'Everyone' has of course to mean you mean 'everyone' or else you are simply confusing this issue.

Are you actually saying that you are contented with missionary inroads into ordinary tolerant interfaith meetings - or not? Do you realise the ramifications of such actions? Interfaith between tolerant pluralistic folk is wonderful yet wherever is the common sense of accepting into your fold well-grounded, well- funded missionaries with a clear cut agenda to Evangelise others present – how ever can such absurdity ever fit into the development of a genuine interfaith movement network? Moreover, why would you desire to place the charitable and yet naïve people who obviously know little about the character of fundamentalism in such a place at such possible jeopardy?

Again, you have sadly ignored all my main points which appears quite strange to me.

There's nothing blind about it - you don't fight discrimination with discrimination and hate with hate - yet you continue to labour under the impression that the only way to work with religion is to fight it. That's not interfaith.

Again – you seem to be under a wrong impression. It is “blind” to let a wolf into a pen of sheep. It is blind to not warn others that are openly trusting, that billions are spend each year by suited evangelical outreaches to other faiths; evangelicals that have abused the TRUST of others in order to gain converts? It is not a matter of ‘hating’ anyone – or discrimination just simple logic and common sense, that is all. It is decidedly ridiculous to jeopardise otherwise amicable interfaith liaisons by letting in outreach missionaries and very precarious as well.

As before, we have ground rules here - most accept them, but we've had people of every major faith and non-faith refuse to that, and they are ejected as a result.

Well Brian, you have virtually ‘agreed’ with me to some degree with this comment and somewhat contradicted your previous statements too. So you DO admit that if radical missionaries seeking converts created trouble by abusing this forum by say pressing their gospel – spreading biblical addenda TOO FAR and blatantly hunted for converts then you ‘would’ remove them - or have already removed them?

Please clarify this point for me!

I've been doing this for the past 7 years in various online communities. I can assure you there's nothing naive in the approach, but neither will I take on board any side's fears. CR is strictly neutral, as should be.

Sorry Brian but this does not quite add for me either.

“Fears” you say? You will not then listen to your ‘own’ previous comments about ejecting some “posters.” Surely you must have ‘feared’ something to eject them?

The matters I have raised are exceptionally simple yet the debate appears to be turning rather abstract.

Again I reiterate – troublemaking evangelical ‘Missionaries’ unremittingly seek converts at interfaith events via infiltration (don’t believe me – just check out their own websites, doctrine, history, literature etc) ergo letting them into interfaith is both ridiculous and hazardous for the other members (especially new trusting types) present at these welcoming gatherings!

It’s so exceedingly simple and nothing to do with “discrimination” – just plain, good ‘ol fashioned common sense!

I care passionately about fair and equal understanding between tolerant people yet it is not in any way discriminatory to warn other good people about the dangers posed by one-sided missionaries and I believe it is quite unreasonable of you to suggest this falsehood! It is evidently you that is ‘misunderstanding’ this situation not me!

I do however thank you sincerely for ‘virtually’ agreeing with me!

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by bolo

Again – you seem to be under a wrong impression. It is “blind” to let a wolf into a pen of sheep. It is blind to not warn others that are openly trusting, that billions are spend each year by suited evangelical outreaches to other faiths; evangelicals that have abused the TRUST of others in order to gain converts? It is not a matter of ‘hating’ anyone – or discrimination just simple logic and common sense, that is all. It is decidedly ridiculous to jeopardise otherwise amicable interfaith liaisons by letting in outreach missionaries and very precarious as well.
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Again I reiterate – troublemaking evangelical ‘Missionaries’ unremittingly seek converts at interfaith events via infiltration (don’t believe me – just check out their own websites, doctrine, history, literature etc) ergo letting them into interfaith is both ridiculous and hazardous for the other members (especially new trusting types) present at these welcoming gatherings!

Hmm, reminds me of the story of The Boy Who Cried Wolf.

[flowperson]

Originally Posted by seattlegal

Hmm, reminds me of the story of The Boy Who Cried Wolf.

Yup...why just yesterday evening and again this a.m.I saw another one on TV doing just that very same thing. Do you think it's contagious or something ?

flow....

[wil]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quahom1
That is the beauty of liberty. You can choose as you see fit. I for one, did not take Coulter's book, at face value. I chose to research what was being stated...and man did I find out a whole bunch about our government and what kind of crap goes on behind closed doors. And history thinks Nixon was a liar, and LBJ was an idiot... Quote:
Originally Posted by wil
There you go again...droppin tidbits..gonna start another thread

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Why? got yer goat?

No I think this is worth discussing...just the wrong thread/forum...love to hear your research and comments..

[inhumility]

Originally Posted by DrFree

Seeing interfaith as a faith is not yet seen as a faith, a religion, in and of itself. And it is certainly a universal religion, if by that is meant a common set of stories and practices. But it offers perhaps the most feasible route towards the peace on earth that all religions proclaim.

That seems to be a over-generalized definition of a religion. In fact the guidance revealed by God on his true prophets like Moses, Jesus, Zoroaster, Krishna, Buddha and Muhammad is the religion. Your intention seems to be truthful but it is no alternative to the guidance provided by God. Moreover the living God has not left his people unattended. God has sent Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, and has appointed him as the Guided One or Imam Mahdi and Promised Messiah that was to come in the latter days. He is a successor of all the true prophets of God, anywhere on earth ; through him teachings of all prophets of God have been revived. This is not to discourage you, but this is just to inform you that through peaceful means and dialogue this object would be fulfilled as destined by God.This is in short.
I am an Ahmadi a faith in Islam, which is the centre of all Revealed Religions. I believe that all Revealed Religions were truthful in their origin but with the passage of time when humans forgot the pristine message from God, the message was revived by God. So in this way logically and morally there is no difference between a true Jew, a true Christian, and a true Muslim or with any other label. Truth has to be respected and believed in whatever its name.

Thanks

[I, Brian]

bolo, let's be clear - you've come to CR with a presumption about how CR is run, and on top of that you're planting your main flag - that Christian Fundamentalists are the enemies of the world.

I really have no interest in any of this - if you want to hang around CR and see how it's run that's fine - you're welcome to join in the discussions.

If the heart of your argument is to try and have me say that I don't like Christian Fundamentalists and won't allow them on CR, then I'm not going to say it. Point about CR is that it's neutral ground for anybody who can accept basic tenets of civility. Fin.

What's really funny is that when I started up CR, I always feared it would be the Christian fundies who would cause most disruption on CR, but that's never been the case. Perhaps if you've ever done any kind of interfaith you'd have found that out for yourself.

Anyway, if you want to discriminate against people, that's your business. It's not going to be mine. And I'm certainly not going to encourage any kind of policy here that sees discrimination as a way to fight discrimination. Maybe it's worth underlining that you don't defeat an enemy by becoming the enemy.

Like I said, you're welcome to join in elsewhere around CR, and maybe that will help provide a better picture of the sort of people and discussions we have here, and how they are conducted.

[YO-ELEVEN-11]

I just have one word. Nice.

When you get the chance try this thread, seems you may be good at it.


http://www.comparative-religion.com/...hain-5724.html

[Dah-veeth]

Interfaith as a Faith...

I don't know if someone already mentioned this, but in the Baha'i Faith we believe the divine origin of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Zoroastrianism, Hinduism, Buddhism... which means we believe that Abraham, Moses, Jesus Christ, Muhammad, Zoroaster, Krishna, the Buddha, are all really in agreement and would teach the same things at this point in history... They would all teach at this time, I believe, that we need love and unity, that at this stage of human history we need to break down barriers of prejudice and unite in love and friendliness as one human family. We need to love one another of every religion. I believe every true Prophet would teach that...

"God's purpose in sending His Prophets unto men is twofold. The first is to liberate the children of men from the darkness of ignorance, and guide them to the light of true understanding. The second is to ensure the peace and tranquillity of mankind, and provide all the means by which they can be established." -Baha'u'llah

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Dah-veeth

Interfaith as a Faith...

I don't know if someone already mentioned this, but in the Baha'i Faith we believe the divine origin of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Zoroastrianism, Hinduism, Buddhism... which means we believe that Abraham, Moses, Jesus Christ, Muhammad, Zoroaster, Krishna, the Buddha, are all really in agreement and would teach the same things at this point in history... They would all teach at this time, I believe, that we need love and unity, that at this stage of human history we need to break down barriers of prejudice and unite in love and friendliness as one human family. We need to love one another of every religion. I believe every true Prophet would teach that...

"God's purpose in sending His Prophets unto men is twofold. The first is to liberate the children of men from the darkness of ignorance, and guide them to the light of true understanding. The second is to ensure the peace and tranquillity of mankind, and provide all the means by which they can be established." -Baha'u'llah

I can not see how, since the above mentioned "enlightened ones" do not preach nor teach similar messages to mankind. Of all of the voices coming from the wildnerness, only one states He is the way. The rest only try to show the way...