Is God omniscient or limited? - Page 9

Blue · 01-03-2005, 11:26 PM

A Happy New Year to you, too.

Good points, Aladdin, though you do seem to be ignoring the general thrust of Einstein..., who I have often quoted myself.

You quote:
"How do we know we are not brains in a vat being stimulated by electrical impulses?"
The answer is that we don't.
(Unless you are a fan of the MATRIX films! lol )

As a logical premiss it is not linked to anything. It has no empirical evidence to back it up. It has not indicated any lines of pragmatic research to confirm or deny it.
It is a subjective supposition... possibly a joke?
If we state such a premiss, we are honour bound to suggest lines of research to confirm or deny it.
So far as I know none have been suggested by anyone.

Victor · 01-11-2005, 01:14 AM

Soph; et al:
Has a point been made? I believe once again, that we have been answered just as we were almost three years ago on Theism Debate. I wish, sometimes, that my association with God (Entity) were not so intimate. Did I not post the following a month ago in the midst of this debate?

"God does not just care about US! We are insignificant in the total view. Example; History has recorded that during the Second World War, 50 million souls were lost due to a single individual. That number is an abomination to the intelligent mind. But when a Super Nova takes place in the distant Universe and for all we know, with a dozen or so planetary systems wiped out, 500 billion souls are destroyed! That is uncomprehensible! I can tell you now that you can no more doubt the 500 billion than you can the 50 million!"

I ask you now, what with the earthquake and tsunamis, can you no more doubt the 500 billion than you can the almost 200 thousand? It seems that we have appealed to a higher authority without our being aware of it and we have been given a direct, irrefutable answer! In all the sorrow that I feel, I can say without fear that God exists... but DO WE?
Victor

Victor · 01-11-2005, 01:25 AM

And by-the-way, as a postscript:
I said to my wife, Elaine, tonight, Is it possible that God is not the God of the masses but of the individual?
Victor

explorationreality · 01-21-2005, 06:24 PM

Is God omniscient or limited?

As the land and the sea have limits.
The Creator drew a circle on the face of the deep. See the C in the word Creator.P means peace in the word deep. A circle is a vision to not get lost in the differentials of peace.The alphabet is built on this, the cicle is the Ark, and where the alphbet extends is the Ark realm. See my first post to understand this language system.

Referance chapter 8 Proverbs of Solomon.
Request, write in color instead of black or gray writing methods, to advance from a dark method of writting words. Writting in black ink or fonts is a form of darkness as night is.
B=basis

Unreal · 01-27-2005, 05:04 PM

I have not read anything prior to this post. What I would like to say is that first and foremost, if there were such a thing as God, then this supposed God is limited to great lengths. For one, God must not have a sense of humor. If it does, then it must not be very funny. For what God finds funny, we find cruel, unusual and down right ignorant.

Another thing:
If God, knows all and is all powerful, then what is the point of our own exsistence? It obviously knows what the end result of our lives will be, so why the creation? This simple question of exsistence leads me to believe that God not only does not exsist, but if in fact it did, it is a cruel God that does not love and has no appearant feeling whatsoever. It is not the God you think created you, but a completely random machine that controls you and everything that you are. It may have created something that you evolved from, thereby creating you, but it did not have you in mind when it created, or when it was created. God is dead and died long ago. Human is the new God, we are Gods.

Faithfulservant · 01-27-2005, 05:16 PM

lol cya

DrewJMore · 01-28-2005, 07:38 PM

God is what God is: don't you people read?

This is one of those questions that should not be asked.
It is, at best, foolish to presume to have a proper answer.

If you say God is omnicient then you limit God to an omnicient role.
If you say that God is limited then you reduce the definition, and the topic becomes (small 'g') "god."

It is true that man created "god," but "God" is a concept beyond understanding and therefore purely a matter of faith.

Bandit · 01-28-2005, 08:08 PM

some people just have a problem with bowing to or respecting any authority. well that is life and everyone has to bow to something.

People who think/feel they are god (s) can talk a lot, but I see no answers on how they plan on resurecting themselves and how they made themsleves into this human person they are, and how is it they have no answers any farther than what we already know.
It is nothing new. Rome convinced people that Caesars were gods. Until it took a big belly flop and people wised up.
we are sure very limited god(s) if that is the case. we cant even stop the cold virus.

If we cant physically prove God or no God, then how does one turn around prove they are god?
I realize to a degree we are god(s) because we have a spirit but it is not the same as the God who made the spirit.

Cor6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
in other words, belongs to God possessive plural, that does not mean glorify ourselves.

To each there own, but I will stay with the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob whom I know, the one who made me in His image and likeness. What I lack, His grace is sufficient.

Quahom1 · 01-29-2005, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrewJMore

God is what God is: don't you people read?

This is one of those questions that should not be asked.
It is, at best, foolish to presume to have a proper answer.

If you say God is omnicient then you limit God to an omnicient role.
If you say that God is limited then you reduce the definition, and the topic becomes (small 'g') "god."

It is true that man created "god," but "God" is a concept beyond understanding and therefore purely a matter of faith.

However, the Bible says to "seek and you shall find, ask and you shall be answered, knock and the door shall be opened to you". It also say that we now know in part, but will then know in whole, we now see through a dark lens but will then see clearly.

Nope, near as I can figure it the only foolish question, is the one not asked. And here at the forum, ask whole lot of questions...

v/r

Q

Blue · 01-29-2005, 02:00 PM

DrewJMore said:
It is true that man created "god," but "God" is a concept beyond understanding and therefore purely a matter of faith.
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Any 'God' concept is a matter of personal faith, and cannot be demonstrated to be otherwise.
It arises, in my opinion, from the affective nature and nurture of the individual.
Believers in a God can only affirm what they personally validate.
That does not mean their claims are true or false. It only means that they affirm them.
Just because someone asserts there are Gods, or a monotheistic God, does not make it so of the universe as a demonstrable fact. It only means they affirm it is so, as a matter of faith.
Many religious people think that because they affirm their faith, it can be automatically shown to be 'true' and 'right' for others. That's why they often insist upon proselytising 'a' Faith.
History demonstrates that this Faith has never been true as a fact. That would be a contradiction of terms.

There is no demonstrable evidence that an Islamic, or Christian, or Jewish, or any other major religion's God is THE 'true' God.
Religious faith can only ever be a personally validated and affective concept... as I think Jesus of Nazareth pointed out in his own purported words. The seat of Faith is the heart (and 'soul'?) of the individual. There is no evidence beyond self, certainly not in the religious 'books'/texts so often cited as 'evidence'.

I, Brian · 01-29-2005, 04:27 PM

Indeed, but the same can be applied to other non-quantitative concepts. For example, we cannot say that there is such thing as "love" - just a bunch of people who can only affirm what they personally validate.

Faithfulservant · 01-30-2005, 09:24 AM

Or justice or hate or fear or anything.. Blue I was hoping you would come up with a different argument while you were away.

It baffles me that someone doesnt have faith in anything.

Quahom1 · 01-30-2005, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Or justice or hate or fear or anything.. Blue I was hoping you would come up with a different argument while you were away.

It baffles me that someone doesnt have faith in anything.

Oh, Faithful...lol, he does have faith. He has faith that he can get a rise out of the likes of us. And you gotta admit, we're pretty faithful on that issue.

v/r

Q

Faithfulservant · 01-30-2005, 10:07 AM

arent we though.

Basstian · 01-30-2005, 10:45 AM

simple yes Go is omniscient.
and to prove so he used that trait to give you a free choice
Quite a feat if you ask me Create a world that you are in complete control of
and then through your power introduce A plan giving us free choice that works
Boggles are mimd yet when his omniscients is axcepted it becomes alot clearer

Peace