Is Islam actually peaceful? - Page 9

Quahom1 · 09-23-2006, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by cavalier

Point (half) taken. I referred to western society, not (just) the US. I was back in England just last year.

I am curious as to which part in particular you took objection to?

lol, I didn't object to anything. It was an invite...

cavalier · 09-23-2006, 05:39 AM

cyberpi · 09-23-2006, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Why bother with someone with a chip on the shoulder the size of Manhattan, plus more knowledge on everything and everyone and how everything works or is a conspiracy or what ever, than all of us combined (lol).

I don't preach, nor am I concerned about not meeting your sensibilities, expectations, or trying to calm your perceived indignation.

v/r

Q

So thats what you'd say if Jesus (pbuh) were standing in front of you rebuking you. Why bother with you Jesus (pbuh)?! Good for Peter that he didn't have that reply!

cyberpi · 09-23-2006, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Terrence

You know what? I could say that Islam is not a religon of peace, but I'm not sure that would be right. I feel the problem isnt so much the religon as it is the people. Religions in and of itself isnt bad, but people by nature, are. G.K. Chesterton once said in a responce to Time magazine's question, "what is wrong with the world," said the following:

"Dir Sir,
In responce to your question 'what is wrong with the world.'
I am.
Yours Truely,
G.K. Chesterton"

Did you get that? Chesterton, as a Christian, had the understanding that the world does not have a hunger problem or pollution problem or money problem or war problem or disease problem, but instead a people problem. People are whats wrong with the world. I am the problem, you are, and on and on. The indwelling sin in us makes us the problem Read romands 3 and Jesus' words..."There is NONE Good, no not one!" The most peaceful people on this planet are those fortunate sinners who have come to recornize the evil in them and have come to Christ whereby He may change them into His own image (like mr. Smith in the matrix movies).

I agree fully. Every soul by the grace of God (swt) can make a difference, but the flesh is evil by nature.

The Lord · 09-23-2006, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by cavalier

Point (half) taken. I referred to western society, not (just) the US. I was back in England just last year.

I am curious as to which part in particular you took objection to?

Hell, I am curious as to which America is he talking about?

cyberpi · 09-23-2006, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by cavalier

Over the issue of control, ok modern western society is different to Nazi Germany, but that does not mean we are not controlled.

Instead of control through fear, we are now controlled through ease.
The tools of our control are materialism, consumerism, super-sized meals, Hollywood, SUV's..

Who wants to go out and fight for something when it will mean getting up from your comfy sofa and turning off your TV?

We are controlled, we do "go with the flow" because it's just so damn easy.

Yes. Apathy is not removed by the amount of energy a person wastes on themselves. Also with increasing populations in the world every government power ratio has been ever increasing. In the USA 200+ years it is over a 100:1 increase. Each government has far greater power as technology and the number of souls increased per the same number of countries. So why place Faith in a government that does NOT equally place Faith in you? If a government takes 1/3 of your income, you should have a vote in due proportion for how that power is spent. How do 2 bits (Candidate A, Candidate B, No vote) every 2 years, 4 years, or never... convey the information as to whether you think stem cell research is rightful or wrong AND whether you think Islam is peaceful AND ... AND ... AND ...? I'm not talking an opinion poll... I'm not talking a BLOG... every soul needs to have more that 2 bits of judgement over many, many more issues. A 2 bits vote every 2 or 4 years is NOTHING! NOTHING! AAaaarrrgg! Hear my DOGS barking? Governments are NOT righteous if they are not serving the per the People's will. If they are leading or controlling instead of serving per the the will of the people, then they are evil or serving themselves as individuals.

Speaking of Islam, there is NO government in the ME that owns up to the verse that says NOT to place Faith in a LORD (President, dictator, monarchy, etc...) instead of God (swt). The closest are re-elected democracies. But I believe the country that progresses towards direct democracy will flourish on with the grace of God (swt). All the world problems today can easily be solved, but people need to place Faith in each other. God (swt) requires it. I'm not talking anarchy, I am talking about placing greater Faith in the neighbor that you know instead of the alledged government that you don't know. It can be through the governments, but they need to be servents led by the people... or things will only get worse.

Global warming can be reversed... it is not the end of the world. In fact it can be reversed by implementing a single word. Energy problems? I will remind the educated reader of the significance that Jesus (pbuh) turned water into a hydro-carbon.

Quahom1 · 09-23-2006, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Lord

Hell, I am curious as to which America is he talking about?

Obviously not the same one you're in. I'd probably hate it too...

Quahom1 · 09-23-2006, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberpi

So thats what you'd say if Jesus (pbuh) were standing in front of you rebuking you. Why bother with you Jesus (pbuh)?! Good for Peter that he didn't have that reply!

Right, Peter only denied Him three times. And you aren't Jesus, nor is yours a rebuke. It sounds more like contempt.