Is It Wrong to Drink Alcoholic Beverages?

[Xavier Breath]

I agree wholeheartedly with Q! And, if the last supper occured at any time but the day of grape harvest (not usually an event associated with Passover), then the "fruit of the vine" HAD TO BE WINE. People can become addicted to anything, that is to say, people can make an idol of anything, including food, sex, and even religion!
There was a Harvard Lampoon album in which a Christian panhandler makes the statement, "I used to be all messed up on drugs, but now I am all messed up on the Lord!"

[bob x]

"And yes, there was no alcoholic wine at the Last Supper."
I'm sorry, that is just utterly false. Quahom is correct (however much it may amaze him to hear me say so) that "it had to be freshly squeezed juice in order to be lacking in quantities of alcohol" since refrigeration, bottling, canning, and so on were all technologies completely absent in the 1st century.
And I would add: we know it was not freshly squeezed juice, because it was not the right season for grapes to be ripe. At a minimum, it had been fermenting for six months.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by bob x

"And yes, there was no alcoholic wine at the Last Supper."
I'm sorry, that is just utterly false. Quahom is correct (however much it may amaze him to hear me say so) that "it had to be freshly squeezed juice in order to be lacking in quantities of alcohol" since refrigeration, bottling, canning, and so on were all technologies completely absent in the 1st century.
And I would add: we know it was not freshly squeezed juice, because it was not the right season for grapes to be ripe. At a minimum, it had been fermenting for six months.

amazed, and humbled.

[greymare]

eeewwww grapes fermented for six months. ewwww. give me whiskey and dry any day.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by greymare

eeewwww grapes fermented for six months. ewwww. give me whiskey and dry any day.

Oh, fermented for 12 years? lol

[greymare]

yes, thats correct. good things take time. a lot of time. LOL

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by greymare

yes, thats correct. good things take time. a lot of time. LOL

Um, where is the "eeeewwww" part of that? Wine and grapes no way? Rye and wheat, OK? (lol)

[greymare]

the ewwwww part is for the wine. I only like my beverages hot or cold, not room temperature. LOl. and people who drink a lot of wine end up with big red noses. its true.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by greymare

the ewwwww part is for the wine. I only like my beverages hot or cold, not room temperature. LOl. and people who drink a lot of wine end up with big red noses. its true.

Not here...it's got to be chilled to near ice conditions...cognac is drunk warm...

[greymare]

oh I havent tried cognac yet.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Joedjr

Hi,
I'm with Br. Bruce on this one. I can't say I've seen any good come from using drink or any of the other stuff. I like to think G-D wants us to be sober of mind and healthy of body.
As Mee has pointed out, the Bible takes both sides of this argument, as it does on many others. Maybe some of the scribes liked to drink and some of the others only saw it as something damaging. So Mee, as you look around, how do you see it?
.02
Joe

it can be very damaging if not used as the bible tells us too, and most people dont give the bible any thought and do things there own way .


thats when the problems start in many things . doing things our own way will only end in tears .


All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.
2 timothy 3;16-17

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by greymare

the ewwwww part is for the wine. I only like my beverages hot or cold, not room temperature. LOl. and people who drink a lot of wine end up with big red noses. its true.

Not lots, but a good pinot noir is very nice.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by pattimax

Not lots, but a good pinot noir is very nice.

Ah, Beaujolais Village, and Beaujolais Blanc, two very good dinner wines served slightly chilled...

[Bruce Michael]

Originally Posted by bob x

"And yes, there was no alcoholic wine at the Last Supper."
I'm sorry, that is just utterly false. Quahom is correct (however much it may amaze him to hear me say so) that "it had to be freshly squeezed juice in order to be lacking in quantities of alcohol" since refrigeration, bottling, canning, and so on were all technologies completely absent in the 1st century.
And I would add: we know it was not freshly squeezed juice, because it was not the right season for grapes to be ripe. At a minimum, it had been fermenting for six months.

There was no alcoholic wine at the Last Supper, Bob. Wine is hametz- Numbers 6:3 declares it so.
The term translated "Wine" in the Bible can refer to boiled down cordial, raisin cakes, or fresh juice.
You may wish to have another look but I don't think the word "wine" is even used in any of the Gospels in reference to the Last Supper.

Cheers *clink*,
Br.Bruce

[Bruce Michael]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Jesus, turned water into the finest "wine" at the wedding in Cannan, the best served last. In a culture that had no prohibitions against alcoholic drink particularly at weddings or celebrations, I doubt it was the best "grape juice", the wine captain was in awe of...



Q

Dear Q Joe,

Christ did not turn water into alcoholic wine at the Marriage at Cana- it was much better than that!

http://www.comparative-religion.com/...ysos-7270.html

Paul tells us that he was setting an example.

The human digestive system itself creates alcohol- no need to get it from outside!

Happy Trails,
Br.Bruce

Abstain because it is right to abstain - not that yourself shall be kept clean.