Is there only one true God ? - Page 3

OneForTruth · 12-04-2007, 02:22 AM

There is only one God and that is the Triune God of the Bible - the only way to go to Him is through the door...Christ himself...

(John 10:9) "I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.

As for other doors...

(John 10:1) "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a thief and a robber. (NAS95)

For...

(Acts 4:12) "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved." (NAS95)

They that honor the Son honor the Father.

Christianity is the only "religion" that shows God as being just in forgiving/pardoning sinners since the sin of the sinner that is pardoned was condemned in Christ - we have a just Judge!!

(Romans 3:24-26) being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just AND the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. (NAS95)

A judge that just sweep sin under the carpet and accepts good works as a "payback" is not just.

bob x · 12-04-2007, 04:55 AM

??? A judge who punishes someone who had nothing to do with the wrong has no justice at all.

mee · 12-04-2007, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OneForTruth

There is only one God and that is the Triune God of the Bible - the only way to go to Him is through the door...Christ himself...

Yes there is only one God and the bible tells us the name of the true God , it tells us in PSALM 83;18

That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah,
You alone are the Most High over all the earth. psalm 83;18

This God is the true God of the bible and taking in knowledge of this true God is the way to go , if we are after everlasting life , That is what Jesus said and taking in knowledge of Jesus is also what we such do .

This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. JOHN 17;3

I cant find any where in the bible where Jesus taught the trinity but many people have taken on manmade doctrines and mixed them up with bible teachings and then called it a trinity. i think i will stick to true bible teachings it leads to everlasting life

17th Angel · 12-04-2007, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OneForTruth

As for other doors...

As for the other doors? What? like, this one?

"Ya ayyuha alnnasu othkuroo niAAmata Allahi AAalaykum hal min khaliqin ghayru Allahi yarzuqukum mina alssama-i waal-ardi la ilaha illa huwa faanna tu/fakoona"

((("O men! Call to mind the grace of Allah unto you! is there a creator, other than Allah, to give you sustenance from heaven or earth? There is no god but He: how then are ye deluded away from the Truth?")))

Linker · 12-04-2007, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bob x

??? A judge who punishes someone who had nothing to do with the wrong has no justice at all.

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Originally Posted by bob x

??? A judge who punishes someone who had nothing to do with the wrong has no justice at all.

You are missing the most glorious component of this whole picture...love! Mercy!

Whose idea was it?? Only the Father's?? Or was Christ in-line with the will of the Father?

Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

Then we have Christ speaking...

Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

What love and what mercy so that many can go free and spread the glory of the grace of God.

Linker

Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Linker · 12-04-2007, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mee

Yes there is only one God and the bible tells us the name of the true God , it tells us in PSALM 83;18

That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah,
You alone are the Most High over all the earth. psalm 83;18

This God is the true God of the bible and taking in knowledge of this true God is the way to go , if we are after everlasting life , That is what Jesus said and taking in knowledge of Jesus is also what we such do .

This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. JOHN 17;3

I cant find any where in the bible where Jesus taught the trinity but many people have taken on manmade doctrines and mixed them up with bible teachings and then called it a trinity. i think i will stick to true bible teachings it leads to everlasting life

Quote:

Originally Posted by mee

Yes there is only one God and the bible tells us the name of the true God , it tells us in PSALM 83;18

That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah,
You alone are the Most High over all the earth. psalm 83;18

This God is the true God of the bible and taking in knowledge of this true God is the way to go , if we are after everlasting life , That is what Jesus said and taking in knowledge of Jesus is also what we such do .

This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. JOHN 17;3

I cant find any where in the bible where Jesus taught the trinity but many people have taken on manmade doctrines and mixed them up with bible teachings and then called it a trinity. i think i will stick to true bible teachings it leads to everlasting life

But...please notice what scripture says in the book of Genesis...you have...

Ge 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

The word for God here is a plural word...which is confirmed down further...

Ge 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Christ was sought after by making himself equal to God - they wanted to stone Him...and God the Father said...

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

There is, according to scripture, one God made up of three persons...

Linker

Ro 9:5 whose are the fathers, and from whom is the Christ according to the flesh, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen.

Linker · 12-04-2007, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 17th Angel

As for the other doors? What? like, this one?

"Ya ayyuha alnnasu othkuroo niAAmata Allahi AAalaykum hal min khaliqin ghayru Allahi yarzuqukum mina alssama-i waal-ardi la ilaha illa huwa faanna tu/fakoona"

((("O men! Call to mind the grace of Allah unto you! is there a creator, other than Allah, to give you sustenance from heaven or earth? There is no god but He: how then are ye deluded away from the Truth?")))

Christianity is the only "religion" that shows God as being just in forgiving/pardoning sinners since the sin of the sinner that is pardoned was condemned in Christ - we have a just Judge!!

(Romans 3:24-26) being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just AND the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. (NAS95)

A judge that just sweep sin under the carpet and accepts good works as a "payback" is not just.

mee · 12-04-2007, 07:00 PM

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(Acts 4:12) "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."

In Love[/quote]Yes Jesus plays a very very big part in the outworking of Jehovahs purpose for the earth . but when it is all finished Jesus will hand the kingdom back to his God and father Jehovah.

Next, the end, when he(JESUS) hands over the kingdom to his God and Father,(JEHOVAH) when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feet. 26 As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing. 27 For [God] “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that it is with the exception of the one who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.
1 corinthians 15;24-28

yes Jesus has been given great aurthority he has recieved kingship and it was given to him by his father Jehovah ......Daniel 7;13-14

flowperson · 12-04-2007, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Linker

Christianity is the only "religion" that shows God as being just in forgiving/pardoning sinners since the sin of the sinner that is pardoned was condemned in Christ - we have a just Judge!!

(Romans 3:24-26) being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just AND the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. (NAS95)

A judge that just sweep sin under the carpet and accepts good works as a "payback" is not just.

Hey Linker...welcome to CR !

Are you and OneForTruth identical twins with "linked" brain wave patterns, or do you just like to post stuff identical to what others have posted to try and bore us all to frustration ?

Or...maybe you're just another "mocking bird" clone.

Besides this section at CR is mostly used to address spiritual matters apart from formal religious dogma and belief. Maybe your posts in this vein would have more impact if you posted them in the Christianity section.

Just a suggestion, but the monitors, who are forever lurking, might eventually suggest just that. I can't speak for them nor would I. It's all just a well-meant suggestion on my part.

Again...welcome.

flow....

wil · 12-04-2007, 07:45 PM

Namaste Linker,

First three posts into one thread you are on a roll!

Flow has a point, although it is lost on many. Over here in the belief and spirituality board ones quotes of biblical scripture have no more value than another's quote from the Quran, Tao te Ching, the Vedas, or...

So what truly benefits discussion and contemplation, is well, er, um, contemplation and discussion. (you can pick the order)

So your a newbie, and you get a free pass. And in reading thru this thread it would appear your posts are more than appropriate as they are so similar to the norm, how would one know? Now, one may have some scriptural concept they wish to expound upon, but quote after quote from the same book doesn't indicate that one is exploring and contemplating, just that one can cut and paste, and we are all excellent at that skill.

path_of_one · 12-04-2007, 08:07 PM

* rare moment where I put a mod hat on *

LOL- thanks Flow and wil.

Let's all try to post our own ideas and not just re-post what was already said by someone else. It is bad etiquette and as Flow points out, boring. The rest of us don't have a "hearing" problem and do not need information repeated.

Also, let's remember that this is the Belief and Spirituality forum. While there is no problem with stating your belief (or spirituality

) this isn't the appropriate place to dogmatically insist that your way is the only way or to shove ever more of the same commentary at everyone from one religious viewpoint.

* mod hat is taken off *

Now on to the question...

I find I am closest aligned with Neemai on this; thank you for the profound passage from the Gita. The position I align most closely with is panentheism- God is in all things, through all things, and beyond all things. Basically, God is everything and MORE.

I think there is a problem any time we try to delimit and define God. We get stuck in limiting our experience by limiting what we choose to see.

To be honest, if we look at "one true God" in terms of names... well, that is a problem. You see, all the languages of the world translate even meaningful phrases (such as mee gives above) into different sounds. So it is not just that a group of sounds translates to profound meaning and so is the only right name for all peoples. But rather, the meaning behind the sound (and, I would argue, the invoking power of the sounds themselves) is what is important.

I believe there is "one true God" in the sense that God is One. But, as Neemai points out, how we experience God will differ based on our culture, our language, even our individual personality. This is why there are so many descriptions of God, names of God, attempts to define God. God as One, God as Two, God as Three, God as Many... but perhaps we only see glimpses of One Divine, manifesting in many ways.

I do not think the Bible is clear at all with regards to defining God. If you get into the original language, God is sometimes he, sometimes she, and sometimes they. Even in the Gospels, it seems that only John (the latest and most theological of the four books) has anything that approaches a trinity theology. It is impossible to tell from Christ's own words what exactly his relationship to God was-- he alternatively says things that bolster the view that he is not God, and then alternatively that he is God. I don't think that was a mistake. I think the mystery of God and Christ is to be approached more like a koan than a multiple-choice question. It is an experience of God to be embraced, not a riddle to be solved.

If people ask me if Jesus Christ was God, I must say yes and no... and I'm not sitting on the fence, but rather trying very hard to respond in a way that is true to my deepest experience of God and Christ. If people ask me if there is only one true God... it is the same response... yes and no. After all, who am I to define God? I cannot even really define my self (as DrFree points out).

Linker · 12-04-2007, 11:07 PM

I am sorry but my OneForTruth login was not working and I needed to change and make a new ID. Regardless...you are correct. I am in the wrong place. What I find here are people who are feasting on the tree of the knowledge of good and evil...proud in your own imaginations of God thereby making yourselves god...

(1 Peter 5:5-6) Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble. Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

I may as well relinquish my place here and pray that you might repent from your idolatry.

Hated for Christ's Sake...Linker

path_of_one · 12-04-2007, 11:35 PM

Linker, we don't hate anyone here at CR. We have a Code of Conduct, and part of that is that we are an interfaith dialogue forum and not for evangelizing. The purpose of this board is open and respectful dialogue between people of all faiths, not attempts to convert each other. I suggest that you read the Code of Conduct and see if this is a forum that works for you.

If your intention is to insist that your way is the only right way, and prosyletize to the rest of us, this is not the best place for you. If, however, you want to discuss your views and listen to others for our mutual benefit, we welcome you here.

If you wish to explore only Christian views, I suggest that you post in the Christianity forum, where it is all about Christianity and people discuss topics only from the denominations and views within that religion. Belief and Spirituality is a general forum that is for interfaith discussion.

Finally, I have noticed technical issues myself lately when trying to log in. I thought this was only my computer doing it. I will bring this up to the staff to see what is going on. Thank you for your explanation of this issue. If anyone else has had issues logging in, we may want to start a feedback thread to discuss the issue so that it can be fixed.

Peace to all,
Kim/Path

Bandit · 12-05-2007, 04:27 AM

it depends on what religion you join.

you have the muslim god, the jewish god, the pagan god, the various trinity god & the various christian god(s), the mary mother of god, the bahai god, the hindu god, american indian god, the oneness Jesus only god, the whatever whatever god...
& then the devil god, & the greek & roman gods, the CR god...

nothing more than finite human interpretations of something infinite that no one can ever explain & none of it ever makes any sense, just to have some religious dogma to fuss about.

pfft

Bandit · 12-05-2007, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by flowperson

Hey Linker...welcome to CR !

Are you and OneForTruth identical twins with "linked" brain wave patterns, or do you just like to post stuff identical to what others have posted to try and bore us all to frustration ?

Or...maybe you're just another "mocking bird" clone.

Besides this section at CR is mostly used to address spiritual matters apart from formal religious dogma and belief. Maybe your posts in this vein would have more impact if you posted them in the Christianity section.

Just a suggestion, but the monitors, who are forever lurking, might eventually suggest just that. I can't speak for them nor would I. It's all just a well-meant suggestion on my part.

Again...welcome.

flow....

OMG- that was so funny!