Is Truth Relative...

[didymus]

Where'd everybody go, I thought we were having a discussion here.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by didymus

Where'd everybody go, I thought we were having a discussion here.

We are...just give a sec or two.

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[juantoo3]

Late to the party, as usual...

Originally Posted by Abogado del Diablo

Naw, 1+1+1=1.



On another thought, I do like your equation. Can't get there using just one's head.

lunamoth

OK, I am intrigued. 1+1+1=1? 3 in 1? triunity, or trinity?

[juantoo3]

Kindest Regards, pathless!

"When you make the inner the same as without, and merge without within, then you will enter the Kingdom of Heaven."

Forgive my ignorance. Where is this from? I do not recall anything like it in the Bible.

[juantoo3]

Jesus once said, "I am the Truth." Mohammad once said, "Jesus is not the truth, but rather Allah." Both said something different, and implied that what they said was absolute truth.

Putting all the philosophy, and verbal gymnastics aside, please just answer the following. Which one of these men told the truth? Please note that neither of the two men was speaking in parables, but instead openly that what they said was absolute truth.

Both told the truth.

Logically, the last remaining combination to this set is that neither of them is the "whole" truth, yet still remaining a significant part of the whole truth, (or at least that part of truth that concerns humanity). There is truth beyond our "need to know" to borrow a military term. I do think we should make every effort within our power and ability to understand all of that truth that concerns all of humanity. In that way we get a bigger portion of truth, a clearer picture so to speak.

I do not pretend to understand everything. There is a great deal in this world, let alone the confines of religion, that I have only a cursory knowledge of. And I am concerned for the example of Solomon; wise as he was, he kinda went astray towards the end. I am no Solomon, and I want to believe my motives are pure. As I said before, I trust my eternal soul into the hands of no (wo)man. Even (wo)men with the best of intent, make mistakes. I will make my way to heaven by my personal walk with God. The teachings of Jesus are instrumental in that walk. I have certain questions, and God will answer in His good time.

Too much corresponds to what Jesus taught. The basic truth is the same for almost every person of faith, and even a whole lot of "non" believers. There seems to be, in my opinion, an elemental morality across all peoples. But I cannot prove it, I have tried. It's just a gut feeling, and I trust my Heavenly Father to protect me where He leads.
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[juantoo3]

Through Jesus, we're born spiritually back into a relationship with God, knowing him, and having him lead us. By the way, I dont believe this because of faith, I passed the stage of faith awhile ago. Now, I know.

But, thats just me.

As a friend,
Conscience,

Can you see how this might be for others too? Only maybe they were given a wise teacher like Buddha instead of Jesus? Or maybe a devout and holy man, like Gandhi? Someone, somewhere, to teach them the path of love of God and of others? God made these people too, and He's still making them. Abraham was the father of many nations, most we take for granted to be Jewish or Islamic, or at least monotheistic. But even Christians are partakers of the covenant given by God only because of the spirit of adoption...without adoption, Jesus, and Paul, would not have come to the gentiles. You and I would have no hope were it not for the spirit of adoption. We are the wild vine grafted in, and if we do not bear appropriate fruit, then we will be pruned away.

I cannot see God in His mercy and wisdom, destroying His creation that lives their lives loving Him and all He stands for. To imply a person is damned because of birth is very unfair, not only to the other person, but to God as well.

I don't expect you to understand, I hope that one day you will.

[juantoo3]

God has spoken to EVERYONE, and he says the SAMETHING. But, not everyone believes that. Look, if we believe that God is not a good of confussion, then why do we think that God will give different people different truths?

Or maybe God gave different people the same truth in different ways?

[juantoo3]

The Bible says that if anyone, or angel or whatever else preaches something that is different from what is in the Bible, let them be acursed.

Don't think for a moment this thought ever leaves me...I assure you, it does not.

[Conscience]

The thing you miss is that there is really NONE good. Not Buddaha, not Ghandi (whom I love), not anyone, but God! All sinners need a Savior - someone to pay the price for the crimes they've commited. I know...I know, its kinda hard to imagine someone who we think is "good" not going to Heaven, but the fact is, ALL have sinned, and come short to the glory of God.

I'll explain later, Gotta go.

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Late to the party, as usual...

OK, I am intrigued. 1+1+1=1? 3 in 1? triunity, or trinity?

Hi Juantoo3, yes, that was what we were alluding to, lightheartedly. (at least I was being lighthearted ). *Higher* math.

lunamoth

[juantoo3]

Kindest Regards, Conscience!

The thing you miss is that there is really NONE good. Not Buddaha, not Ghandi (whom I love), not anyone, but God! All sinners need a Savior - someone to pay the price for the crimes they've commited. I know...I know, its kinda hard to imagine someone who we think is "good" not going to Heaven, but the fact is, ALL have sinned, and come short to the glory of God.

No, I haven't missed it, at all. I am not good, certainly not by your standards. But I like to think I try really hard to live a good and decent life as Jesus taught. I make mistakes, and I learn from them. Some men are good as men go. Not good compared to God, I will grant you that. Compared to other men, some men are good, and some men are not as good.

I'll explain later, Gotta go.

Since you like old girl friends so much...

I would love to hear your explanation, right after you answer the other questions I asked: (How do I know you, a fallible human, are not telling an untruth? Do I take you at your word? I've been burned before, what makes your version so special? Why should I trust my most precious possession, my eternal soul, to you and your teaching?)

[juantoo3]

Kindest Regards, luna!

Originally Posted by lunamoth

Hi Juantoo3, yes, that was what we were alluding to, lightheartedly. (at least I was being lighthearted ). *Higher* math.

OK, that explains why I didn't catch on too quick. Higher math, ugggh, it's all greek to me!

[Faithfulservant]

Didymus.. Christians believe that the OT is God preparing the world for Jesus Christ.. your arguments have been heard by Christians from many people.. Nothing you say is original and if you cant see the messianic prophecies in the OT then Im sorry.. If you cant see Christ as the Messiah again, Im sorry.

[Faithfulservant]

1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 = 1

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 = 1

Actually it equals .999

Sorry, the engineer in me.

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