it might be too late for me

[Terrence]

Actually, no. You lost me. Oh and by the way, the Xbox statement wasnt to be taken seriously...was just a little joke. Oh and by the way...again, is that all you got from what I said?

[moseslmpg]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

What, no family? Are you homeless? Went to a school but found no teachers?

Who is 'WE'?

I have a family, and I technically have a home. I'm not sure about the third questions.

We is a word that denotes the first person plural and is used to refer to a groupa in which the speaker is included. In this case, we refers to the people posting in shadowman's threads.

Terrence, I highly doubt that shadowman is "bored" or whatever. He just has problems with being a slave to anything, i.e. he doesn't want to be a Jesus zombie but he is also in a dilemma because he feels that he has come in contact with a force that is antithetical to Christianity. Between a rock and a hard place, as it were.

[shadowman]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

Shadow, what do you love about marijuana, voodoo dolls, 7th chord, and magic? I see a person claiming to be a skeptic for scientific reasons... yet from my point of view has been looking for answers in non-scientific ways. I guess a person gambling for answers at a casino is applying a form of measurement, but scientific measurement is to learn more about what you are measuring. Have you learned more about marijuana, voodoo dolls, and magic? Can they bring wisdom and prosperity?

Do you have kids?

idont smoke. im not into magic. im into yoruba traditional spirituality. the christian machine has no understanding of hinduism buddhism or yoruban spirituality like vodou or santeria or brazilian candoble amng other things (everything in the real world).


the problem is i had a devil experience which may be a spychotic episode a result of faulty life choices combined with brainwashing. i explained the brainwashing argument in my "thoughts on mind prayer and faith"

the problem is tat a lot of the christians dont like to think too hard. they think they do but they dont. if you arent examinin all the options you arent doing a great job thinking. blind faith means not entertaining possibility you are wrong.

reasoning screws up faith, faith screws up reasoning.


my rational side tink that humans invented religion to deal wit fear of unkown. and i dont mean religio meaning all false religion not including rela christianity christians are unable to entertain the possibility that all every single, all faiths have poential to tap into the good and higher power of human beigs.

my rational side tinks that life is perception and truth is perception. and avatars and symobols, archetypal myths fed into us since brht also describe moral ideas, achoices and deeply impact our psyche.

eve with all the insanity i have been through, i can still argue all of this through ungian complex psychology. if you want to know alittle of how to argue it read about it. i gave an k job not too good in my thoughts on mind prayer and faith blog. it bypasses all the historical mumbo jumbo becuase people write hitory according to their perception too. this is like one of the first historical truts, linked to other historical truths. its like the hermeneutrics of history interpretation. perception, beleifs, power shifts, politics, influence the RECORDING of history. thats a fact. that right there is a fact.

we think, that is another fact. we tink a lot and make a lot of ideas. thaose are facts. thats what a fact is

but. either the machine and brainwashing are too strong. (bible if i am write about brainwashing is designed to have this happen to me. im just strengthening peoples beleifs, people would be scared ****less of commiting unpardonable sin, following the things i followed, or thinkig the things i worked." eiter because all the **** is reall y really real, and its join us or die in hell forever. (all wil be assimilated in love) once the fear of hell is in you where does the love go? its impossible to get back, thats why the people in hell are cursing god. or are they, im not sure which interpretation to beleive.

so dont think kiddies! just beleive! convert other people to christianity with your wrped world views and muisunderstandings of world religion and culture. all your mind should be on jesus anyway. on
"god"

maybe jesus wont work w ith me becuase i still dont ACCEPT IT. I DONT KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN HELL AND **** LIKE THAT TO SOMEONE ELSE. IF I CONVERT, EVEN IF MY SOUL IS NOT SAVED. I WILL BE ONE OF THE GREATEST PAstors the world has ever seen. im smart. im great with words. and i understnad both psychology and world religion. i will be unstoppable! and either so deluded or convinced of my own damnation that my witness will be stellar. it will be the "dont end up like me sermon seires of the super pastor" ill get the crowd riled up with my clear understanding of how they think, and then break it to them. yall are wrong. trust me! what hope is there. all these people around me. i can tell tons of people are going to hell. my parents are. my friends are. i have a few friends that beleive in what you bleeive but they arent saved yet.

tons of people want to do it without god.

i thought god was llove. i i might be wrong. join us or die is not love. but somehow if people look at it tthe rigt way they wil lfeel the love that i cant. hell is too awful.

[Faithfulservant]

Originally Posted by moseslmpg

Terrence, I highly doubt that shadowman is "bored" or whatever. He just has problems with being a slave to anything, i.e. he doesn't want to be a Jesus zombie but he is also in a dilemma because he feels that he has come in contact with a force that is antithetical to Christianity. Between a rock and a hard place, as it were.

wow that wasnt nice....but thats ok we deal with a lot of anti-christ spirits on this forum.

[shadowman]

He Si Right, I Cant Stop Quetioing ,but I Have Had Weird Experiences

[moseslmpg]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

wow that wasnt nice....but thats ok we deal with a lot of anti-christ spirits on this forum.

That wasn't nice? Did you see Terrence's post, where he mocked shadowman?

I didn't insult anyone or assume. I was not insinuating that Terrence was a Jesus zombie or that Christianity is about being a zombie, I was pointing out that shadowman does not want to become one. I'm trying to help shadowman to the best of my ability.

On that note, shadowman I sent you a PM. It's in the top right corner of the page.

[Quahom1]

I fail to see where personal slights lead to anything constructive here. Let's focus on the discussion instead of rib jabbing or toe stepping...eh?

[juantoo3]

reasoning screws up faith, faith screws up reasoning.

I would have to politely disagree with this, if it is focused on Christianity alone. Unless one counts how all faith, that is, *all memes*, screw up reasoning...which would include Santeria, Voudun, et al.

In other words, it hardly seems correct for the pot to call the kettle black. If one is just as guilty, what purpose is served in pointing out a fault in one's brother?

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by shadowman

the problem is tat a lot of the christians dont like to think too hard. they think they do but they dont. if you arent examinin all the options you arent doing a great job thinking. blind faith means not entertaining possibility you are wrong.

I can place Faith in a person knowing full well that the person is wrong... so I disagree. That is a different definition of Faith, but it is the one I read in the gospels. I agree with you that people can use the brain by mentally flipping dice and exploring all paths like a mouse in a maze. I do. Some would call that paranoia, some curiosity, some call it creativity, some would call it scientific or medical trial.

Originally Posted by shadowman

reasoning screws up faith, faith screws up reasoning.

Do you have children? The best example of Faith I know of is not in religion, but being a servant to children. Try it for just a day. You can put a blind-fold on and say, "Guide me"... or you can keep your eyes open and say, "What would you like to do today?" Same thing. But if you say, "We are going to do XYZ," that is NOT placing Faith. From your testimony you place faith in people and don't realize it.

Originally Posted by shadowman

influence the RECORDING of history. thats a fact. that right there is a fact.

It is called a LIE if done knowingly. Have you tried confessing the lies that you've told?

Originally Posted by shadowman

im just strengthening peoples beleifs, people would be scared ****less of commiting unpardonable sin, following the things i followed, or thinkig the things i worked." eiter because all the **** is reall y really real, and its join us or die in hell forever.

What do you consider unpardonable?

Originally Posted by shadowman

all your mind should be on jesus anyway. on "god"

Matthew 25:40 ... Verily I say to you, In as much as you have done it for one of the least of these, you have done it for me.

Originally Posted by shadowman

I DONT KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN HELL AND **** LIKE THAT TO SOMEONE ELSE. IF I CONVERT, EVEN IF MY SOUL IS NOT SAVED. I WILL BE ONE OF THE GREATEST PAstors the world has ever seen. im smart. im great with words.

Then why can't you explain it?

Originally Posted by shadowman

i can tell tons of people are going to hell. my parents are. my friends are. i have a few friends that beleive in what you bleeive but they arent saved yet.

The prudent thing is to believe you and ask, am I going to hell?

If you know how God (swt) is going to judge, or has judged... isn't that what you have against the religion of hell? It seems like you are confirming and denying.

Originally Posted by shadowman

join us or die is not love.

I agree... its not. I think controlling others is the exact opposite of Faith.

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

wow that wasnt nice....but thats ok we deal with a lot of anti-christ spirits on this forum.

Problem? His not being nice did not look intentional (to me). Mine was! Maybe I should have said, "You serpent. You viper, how will you escape the damnation of hell?" Would that be a pro-christ (pbuh) spirit, or an anti-christ spirit?

Originally Posted by Terrence

Actually, no. You lost me. Oh and by the way, the Xbox statement wasnt to be taken seriously...was just a little joke. Oh and by the way...again, is that all you got from what I said?

No. I think every word you speak is a truth and I rebuke the entire thing. If I focused on a sentence it was because I was wrongly trying to be nice. Or worse... polite. It started with, "I don't believe you", said all Truth is in the bible and that all you have to do is read it, said a few things about Jesus (pbuh) counter to 'knock' and 'pray'... you asked a few questions similar to, "Do you think you are good?", and you put a spouse on equal with an xbox as entertainment.

I'm sorry... I grow sharp points and I rebuke what I read. It is all truth... every last word of it... and I rebuke it.

Originally Posted by moseslmpg

I have a family, and I technically have a home. I'm not sure about the third questions.

We is a word that denotes the first person plural and is used to refer to a groupa in which the speaker is included. In this case, we refers to the people posting in shadowman's threads.

I was worried for a second that you thought people can't help each other... or that conversing with people does no good. I stand corrected. A verse comes to mind: Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

[moseslmpg]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

I was worried for a second that you thought people can't help each other... or that conversing with people does no good. I stand corrected. A verse comes to mind: Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Conversing alone does not do any good. Action is what solves problems, not talking abotu what you're going to do. And none of us are really equipped to help shadowman anyway.

Also, I wasn't being mean and I don't know why people think I was.

Edit: I think shadowman means blaspheming the Holy Ghost, or denying it, which is supposedly unforgivable according to the Bible.

[BlaznFattyz]

there is no brainwashing in christianity, and if one thinks that one has incorrect preconceived notions regarding christianity. christianity is a personal choice to let god into your life because what you have been shown, what you have heard, and what you see and feel you know as right because there is no contradiction in the truth that is god's word. christianity is to follow christ on your own volition; to worship him in spirit and in truth with your own words, and your pray about your own unique problems, and to give all your troubles to him, because you love god and want to please him, and you know that god has proclaimed his son and has given him to us as a personal saviour. god does not want scripted and recited prayers, he wants to know what it is you personally need. god does not want you to give anything grudgingly, but to give out of love graciously, willingly, and joyfully. also one should not talk about losing the race when one has not even learned to walk; to continue to do so, shows a real lack of maturity. all those that are here with questions, obviously god is knocking on the door, even if you dont think so, there is something about christ that stirs the soul. however, it would be best to attend a well-established and well-respected christian church and quietly listen. quit talking to ones own falsities, drowning in ones own misery, and second guessing, and jumping to conclusions... just listen enough to hear gods word on things spiritual, and quietly pray about it. and when you are ready, talk to a pastor in person about the grace of god and his desire for all to have eternal life.

[InLove]

Originally Posted by moseslmpg

Also, I wasn't being mean and I don't know why people think I was.

Well, I wasn't going to say anything, because I didn't want to offend anyone, myself, but after giving it some thought....

I didn't think you were being mean, moseslmpg. I think you were trying to help explain the way shadowman might be feeling.

Hopefully, I have not done any harm with my own words here.

InPeace,
InLove

[shadowman]

cyberpi et al...
im worried i did the unpardonable sin by denying what i knew was right (christianity) and worse off, praying to satan, and getting an answer.

i had been hearing voices telling me to turn from my path o looking at world religion and consciousness amd psychology. the voice said if you keep doing this you will burn in hell forever. i heard oter voices too, i hear people talking about me, i ave thoughts bounce around in my head.

at one time i wasmdesperate for divine help. (previous to all of this, i would feel moved by christians witnessing to me buand sometimes i tohght that i t was right and i would admit it when i was older...)

so i was wanting divine help, i also thought that satan would tell me the truth and maybwe givine me knowledge for help on a musical instruemnt, or just tell me the truth about god

so i tried playing a devil intercal on my instruemnt a perfector diminished 7th, i cant rmeember, its from a solo called "vox gabrielli) the voice of gabrielle, also in a tartini piece the devils trill

so i was high on weed at the time and overwhelmed by demonic voices and thoughts, and i thought i heard satan. i heard voices saying "we wil lgive you what you want"

i didnt want to saty yes but i wold hear a weak voice inside me say yes, i heard rage and anguish and laughing, people shouting "fool" and i eard a voice saying your soul is mine and another voice inside saying yes, i kept on wanting to say no no, but i didnt think it worked. becuase i have felt doomed ever since, andi have heard voices telling me, its too late, you are doomed, you know what you did


and when i pray to jesus i hear a voice say im sorry, go away, it too late, i cant help you, no etc

[InLove]

hi shadowman--

I am going to try to tell you this one more time. Sulek's Vox Gabrielle and Tartini's sonata (what is it--g minor?) do not belong to Satan anymore than a perfect or diminished 7th. It's music. Sometimes there is dissonance, sometimes harmony. None of it belongs to Satan. It is free, and it can be yours.

The problem lies in what you ask for--Satan's "blessing". Satan really can't give you what you really want. If that is what you hear, it is a lie. Don't believe it.

I'm telling you this as a fellow musician. And I am telling you because I want you to be free.

InPeace,
InLove