Jehovah's witnesses and Zionism

[dailogue is the best]

First of all I should make it clear that no offense is meant, and I am here disussing real facts.

I would very grateful if some members of Jehovah's witnesses could explain what Russel is saying below:

"There are now in the world more than ten million Jews, about three-quarters of whom are in Russia, Poland, the Balkan States, and Turkey. If the movement toward Palestine should get the impulse that the Hirsch committee is able to give it, an imaginative person can conceive of the country's doubling or trebling its Jewish population before the close of our century, and of its having a larger Jewish population fifty years hence than it had in ancient times, when its census ran up to three millions. Should the restoration be accomplished, all hail to the New Jerusalem!" Watchtower 1892 November 1 p.329
"The more closely we investigate the New Covenant, the more we must be convinced of this fact - that it belongs to Israel alone." Watch Tower 1909 January 15 p.28
"That the re-establishment of Israel in the land of Palestine is one of the events to be expected in this Day of the Lord, we are fully assured by the above expression of the Prophet [commenting on Amos 9:11, 14, 15]. Notice, particularly, that the prophecy cannot be interpreted in any symbolic sense" Studies in the Scriptures Series III - Thy Kingdom Come p.244
"Although the Jews are gradually flowing into Palestine, gradually obtaining control of the land of Canaan, and although reports say that already nineteen millionaires are there, nevertheless, prophecy requires an evidently larger number of wealthy Hebrews to be there before the Armageddon crisis be reached. Indeed, we understand that "Jacob's trouble" in the Holy Land will come at the very close of Armageddon. Then Messiah's Kingdom will begin to be manifested. Thenceforth Israel in the Land of Promise will gradually rise from the ashes of the past to the grandeur of prophecy." Studies In the Scriptures Series IV - The Day of Vengeance - Forward pp. xviii, xix

The source: FACTS ABOUT JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES | Wake Up From Your Slumber

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[17th Angel]

Let me guess, the JW's (of today) say things such as "this is false teaching! and false religion!" And back then which was like what 50 60 years? They taught these things? I think you will find the kind of response you will recieve will be "we live and learn."

Same thing can be said for the cross and JW's at one point they held the cross, they even had it on covers of awake and the watchtower.... Today? They don't... Why? Because like the 'zionism' they have lived and learned.. They will tell you that they are growing in understanding of the bible all the time and of course we make errors along the way That happens....

Here is an example... Oh look at Alex he talks of god but he has tattoos!! I had them before I understood and learnt from the bible, and now wouldn't get any others... That doesn't make me a hypocrite or false... It shows improvement...

Hope something there made some sense lol..

[mee]

Jehovah reveals things at his appointed time, and now we are well along into the time of the end ,and the understanding of many things are now abundant DANIEL 12;4
we are no longer in the 1800s we are NOW having understanding and insight. and it is progressive, Jehovah reveals understanding and gives insight to his people at his own timetable and at his propertime .

the early bible students such as russel , were sincere bible students , but at that time the understanding was not as great as it is now .


those ones who wait on Jehovah and do not resort to verbally abusing Jehovahs channel matthew 24;45-47 will have enlightenment indeed.

[17th Angel]

....This hasn't gone where I thought it would lol...

[Faithfulservant]

Originally Posted by Alex P

....This hasn't gone where I thought it would lol...

mee never responds like you think he will... its eerie..

[17th Angel]

Oh no, mee was on the mark lol I got every single post of me predicted to the line before it is posted lol... I mean there is usually a torrent of other posters and it tends to always end up in a trinity argument.... It hasn't happened... It's pretty cool...

[Faithfulservant]

the trinity is one of the "mysteries" I think that is revealed in Gods time and to those that God wills to know. I dont know how many more ways you can say 1+ 1+ 1 = God lol so I avoid those arguments unless someone specifically asks for an explanation.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

mee never responds like you think he will... its eerie..

Mee has a mind of my own and i like to use it, and repsond in the way i choose


now where were we , oh i remember , heavenly mount zion

God’s kingdom by means of his Son Jesus Christ is in the heavens. How is it, then, that the prophecy of Isaiah 24:23 foretells that "Jehovah of armies has become king in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem and in front of his elderly men with glory"?


It is because the Mount Zion and the Jerusalem in which this prophecy and the next succeeding prophecy are fulfilled are not the present-day Jerusalem and Mount Zion in the Middle East, but are the heavenly Mount Zion and the heavenly Jerusalem.

its all happening in the last days

[mee]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

the trinity is one of the "mysteries" I think that is revealed in Gods time and to those that God wills to know. I dont know how many more ways you can say 1+ 1+ 1 = God lol so I avoid those arguments unless someone specifically asks for an explanation.

the problem with that thought is, the trinity is not in line with what the bible really teaches , in fact it is far removed from what Jesus taught ,and from what the bible tells us about God and Jesus .


straying from what the bible REALLY teaches is not for sincere bible students, because sincere bible students are after the truth of Gods word and not the words of men formulated centuries later.


hurray for russel and those with him for being sincere in their hearts and minds .

Jehovah’s Witnesses are striving to do just that, and they warmly urge others to share with them in worshiping God "with spirit and truth." (John 4:24)

Jesus said: "The Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him." (John 4:23)


and it is very good
with no contamination around .


faithfulness leads to great blessings from the most high, , and even greater responsibility matthew 24;45-47

[dailogue is the best]

Originally Posted by Alex P

Here is an example... Oh look at Alex he talks of god but he has tattoos!! I had them before I understood and learnt from the bible, and now wouldn't get any others... That doesn't make me a hypocrite or false... It shows improvement...

Hope something there made some sense lol..

As you said :we live we learn.May God let us from those who really learn for there are some people who blindly insists on the same mistakes.

But what do really make you believe that Jehovah's witnesses have changed their opinions concerning zionism? can you give me proofs, Alex and mee?

"The more closely we investigate the New Covenant, the more we must be convinced of this fact - that it belongs to Israel alone." Watch Tower 1909 January 15 p.28

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by mee

the trinity is not in line with what the bible really teaches

actually that is an incorrect statement, as the bible in its entirety does teach God is three persons.

[dailogue is the best]

Originally Posted by mee

It is because the Mount Zion and the Jerusalem in which this prophecy and the next succeeding prophecy are fulfilled are not the present-day Jerusalem and Mount Zion in the Middle East, but are the heavenly Mount Zion and the heavenly Jerusalem.

its all happening in the last days

Mee, this what you think, but Russel said the following:

"That the re-establishment of Israel in the land of Palestine is one of the events to be expected in this Day of the Lord, we are fully assured by the above expression of the Prophet [commenting on Amos 9:11, 14, 15]. Notice, particularly, that the prophecy cannot be interpreted in any symbolic sense" Studies in the Scriptures Series III - Thy Kingdom Come p.244

who is right? and who does really present Jehovah's witnesses' thinking? and I would be grateful if you present me quotes from authorative personalities in the Jehovah's witnesses.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by dailogue is the best

But what do really make you believe that Jehovah's witnesses have changed their opinions concerning zionism? can you give me proofs, Alex and mee?

Ah the first part was just me giving you their explination this second part isn't my department lol, I'll leave that to Mee..

[mee]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

actually that is an incorrect statement, as the bible in its entirety does teach God is three persons.

actually the bible teaches something far removed from that, especially when the preconcieved idea of a trinity has been removed from a persons mind.


then the pure word of God(the bible) can flow through our minds and wash a person clean.

and it is very good to be washed clean , it makes us look better for our God JEHOVAH .

after all he is the most high

That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah,
You alone are the Most High over all the earth.psalm 83;18

[mee]

Originally Posted by dailogue is the best

Mee, this what you think, but Russel said the following:

who is right? and who does really present Jehovah's witnesses' thinking? and I would be grateful if you present me quotes from authorative personalities in the Jehovah's witnesses.

move ahead , getting left behind in understanding is not good .

and the authorative channel of Jehovahs witnesses that is open to all is right here on the net .




www. watchtower.org



dont get left behind in the 1800s we are NOW in the time of the end , and 1914 was the START of the last days .


and the understanding about many things are now ABUNDANT daniel 12;4

go to those who have been given INSIGHT .



"As regards those having insight among the people, they will impart understanding to the many."—DANIEL 11:33.
its all happening in the time of the end .




progression progression progression .

at Jehovahs own time.


Jehovah alone has given.INSIGHT




One who has insight accepts correction. (Ps 2:10)

According to Proverbs 21:11, when a wise person obtains insight—that is, when he carefully considers available information and as a result acquires a clearer picture of a matter—he "gets knowledge," that is, he knows what to do regarding the matter, what conclusions to draw, what counsel to give.



over the years much correction has been going on ,and now the true knowledge is abundant


and its very good