Jesus chooses unlikely role models for His listeners

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by Thomas

Is this a declaration of infallibility?

Thomas

heck no.... still just like you and any any man who walked this earth.

shorts, still yellow in the front, brown in the back...

but is the work that pure? Yep!

No fib coming from this corner when it comes to such material as 'what is life?'

As a kid a promise was made that never again will the kids have to go on without having a solid foundation to what makes us alive and what are the rules; so that each can simply Understand and live without all the inconsistancies of the gazillion tangents alive on this earth.

an idea on light and from there forward the rest is simply based on commitment; don't need a prize, nor any namesake; it was done as thanks for being alive.

and since the math is between my ears and no where else, then no one can own it; no government, no religion, no corporations; what is being convey is the precussor to the that last chapter and it is being shared all over the world as we speak;

it is that time..... there is no second guessing; existence only operates ONE way

how was it said in the pirates of the carribean...

"better start believing in ghost stories, Ms. Turner; cause you're in one"

what is funny is in all the religions they talk about a day when the truth will exist. Mention a good guy and a bad guy. Well the good guy, brings the truth and the bad guy is supposed to corrupt. Seems in reality each have the ability to corrupt all by themselves simply by fibbing, killing...etc..... and if a collective combine to corrupt, then see capitalism

but if the good guy was to bring knowledge that removes the needs of ever relying on religion as well share that much of what the religions shares in not only inconsistent and secular; then once people recognize this the religions will be over and them preaching, isolating, oppressive tenures will end; they will be out of a job; but then again some may get real upset when they remember 'how certain' them preachers were as they took money, time and the minds of the children for their own uses; they will be judged by their own line of whom they damaged.

So if a prophet saw, wow.... the churches are being destroyed... in a vision.. then it must have been because a 'bad guy' caused it.

The point is the 'good guy and bad guy' are literally ONE........

[Thomas]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

heck no.... still just like you and any any man who walked this earth.

Yet you present your case as if it were infallible.

Then two things:
1 — It might well be that some things fall outside your scope of your science to make a determination. Christianity as a sacred science has a profound philosophical background that's studied and admired in secular circles the world over.

2 — I have no idea, in any meaningful terms, of what that position actually is. So far you seem to be pushing 'knowledge' — yet it is fair to say that faith does not preclude reason nor knowledge — and what is the content of this knowledge? Is it spiritual or secular? Inspired or empirical?

Thomas

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by Thomas

Yet you present your case as if it were infallible.

Of mass and energy?; it is.

Zero DOUBT. Zero Possibility of ERROR.

As for me? a stoned cold brat. Where do you think the arrogance comes from? My good looks. could be but it isn't.

It is the fact that from Hawking to Dawkins, from the Pope to Einstein; all were looking but it was right in front of them the whole time.

And what is the best is no can OWN the truth; no one can stop it and this 'i' would just as soon kick the bucket then ever sell out.

it is why from Russia to China, the South Pacific to the north Atlantic and all the other countries and people on this globe; with the internet; the truth is spreading. It is growing and collectively the change will occur.

Think of yourself in Ptolemy's time and Copernicus (another good polock); yesterday the earth was the center of the universe and then humility set in when people began to understand; they were not the center of the solar system. A paradigm shift changed the world as it was one of the greatest periods for mankind in which the churches and beliefs could not stop the progress of the people to Understand.

Then two things:
1 — It might well be that some things fall outside your scope of your science to make a determination.

Always open to possibilities but in this case, since the form already exists which combines each branch of the sciences, validated in cross referencing each branch; it is possible some phenomens has not been addressed by there is no error in the framework of light.

Christianity as a sacred science

They can't spell science.

has a profound philosophical background that's studied and admired in secular circles the world over.

If you said Hindu and removed the word Christianity, then maybe. But the whole 'forgiveness from God' idea established in Christianity was the most corrupt and disallusional frame on this earth. It took responsibility from each person and made it a devil or some other entities fault for the actions people make. And then suggest; ah just ask Jesus to save you and ah.... you'll be saved....what a crock.

Evangelical and political entities created by Christianity are some of the most corrupt on this earth.

Have you ever watched on TV where people are wiggling on the floor because some dude slapped on the forehead and said; 'in the name of Jesus'

I would bet if Jesus was here today, he would kill himself just by seeing all the corruption and abuse of his teaching by the hypocrites of this sect.

It is the religions and what them 'science of Christian' folk did to faith and the minds of people that is some of the greatest mind abuse this earth ever had.

2 — I have no idea, in any meaningful terms, of what that position actually is. So far you seem to be pushing 'knowledge' — yet it is fair to say that faith does not preclude reason nor knowledge — and what is the content of this knowledge? Is it spiritual or secular? Inspired or empirical?

Thomas

Inspired by words left from many texts.

Secular in that the truth only operates ONE way.

Empirical; in that sciences and phenomema combine.

Spiritual in that; nothing can bend the truth.

Knowledge from the four corners of the earth; not just from this continent as well not from the 'institutional' frame of scholarly complacency to paradigm.

It was when the work was shared in 82' and none of the institutions it was sent too, could comprehend the work; so all institutional pursuits were ended.

The work, desire, and intent was all because of an absolute resolve to Understand, with or without, anyone's God, anyones teacher, and definitely without anyones money, compassion or trust; a single man made a commitment and the covenant is being fullfilled!

what is really cool is to find lineage to people like Roger Bacon who spend decades incarcerated for the same pursuit;


so don't ask me, why do ya drink,

why do you roll smoke

why must you live out that 'promise' that you wrote

well stop and think it over

put yourself in my unique position

if I get stoned and write all night long

well it's a,

family tradition
..................................

be certain, when the promise was made, i had no idea just what was to come

[juantoo3]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

so let’s be clear; “nothing being shared is mine!”

So nothing being mentioned is mine, created or made up; just revealed by observing enough material to comprehend what the truth actually is. That’s it!

Unfortunately, the law of the land says otherwise. Likewise, when copying and pasting material from elsewhere without giving credit or reference is according to that same law an act of theft.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Then be specific;

Is this specific enough? Do not plagiarize. Have the scholarly courtesy of crediting and citing your sources.

And then join Thomas and myself on the Rome in transition thread...if you feel up to it.

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Unfortunately, the law of the land says otherwise.

Don't follow laws of men. When one can die and take their property (or even memories) to the other side; then they can own it.

Likewise, when copying and pasting material from elsewhere without giving credit or reference is according to that same law an act of theft.

Bummer; Venti buying all them patents to reduce the pursuit of hydrogen in ICE motors is theft to the whole world.

Rule number ONE; any intellectual or patented property not in use or in the stage of release to the open public that is proven to be a benefit to humanity; is not to be held as proprietary....

Call NATO, call the president; they can all go to hell. From Russia to China, Cuba and Iran; when it comes to knowledge that is good for mankind; it's free.

Is this specific enough? Do not plagiarize. Have the scholarly courtesy of crediting and citing your sources.

Did the scholars have the courtesy in 82' when the material was put on their lap?

Have any of the institutional scientists assist in conveying the material or contributing time and energy for the truth with ZERO requisite of return?

NO because if they don't get the credit, they do not want to even hear about it......

Nothing of knowledge is proprietary or to be owned. and if you do not like it, then go jump in a lake.

Knowledge is about life and death. Screw the ownership and it is this ignorance stupid, selfishly derived mentality that has this globe still open with unanswered questions about what life is and a bunch of religions still fibbing as 2 powerhouse religions are about to cause global war...

sorry but that last post really chapped my hide

any one who thinks that knowledge is owned can go jump in a lake......

it is this exact reason why the data i use is from all over the world and from places most would never even think of; cause there are no borders to this fool.........

a rebel with a cause; the truth!

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Don't follow laws of men. When one can die and take their property (or even memories) to the other side; then they can own it.

Bummer; Venti buying all them patents to reduce the pursuit of hydrogen in ICE motors is theft to the whole world.

Rule number ONE; any intellectual or patented property not in use or in the stage of release to the open public that is proven to be a benefit to humanity; is not to be held as proprietary....

Call NATO, call the president; they can all go to hell. From Russia to China, Cuba and Iran; when it comes to knowledge that is good for mankind; it's free.


Did the scholars have the courtesy in 82' when the material was put on their lap?

Have any of the institutional scientists assist in conveying the material or contributing time and energy for the truth with ZERO requisite of return?

NO because if they don't get the credit, they do not want to even hear about it......

Nothing of knowledge is proprietary or to be owned. and if you do not like it, then go jump in a lake.

Knowledge is about life and death. Screw the ownership and it is this ignorance stupid, selfishly derived mentality that has this globe still open with unanswered questions about what life is and a bunch of religions still fibbing as 2 powerhouse religions are about to cause global war...

sorry but that last post really chapped my hide

any one who thinks that knowledge is owned can go jump in a lake......

it is this exact reason why the data i use is from all over the world and from places most would never even think of; cause there are no borders to this fool.........

a rebel with a cause; the truth!

Intellectual rights, unfortunately from your perspective, has a very long arm of the law. And you take others down with you by ignoring the common courtesies (let alone laws of the land)...for instance, this forum. Yes, if one should continue to paste others' copyrighted material here without permission or acknowledgement of the "owner" (as dictated by law), this forum would cease to exist, and you and the curator of this forum would be subject to any infringement law suits that might be brought forth.

Even Jesus, acknowledged the authors of the old testament when making his point, and using their words...but more often than other, he expressed his own opinion and thoughts, while referring to what was said before...
(ten commandments into two, ring a bell)?

v/r

Q

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Intellectual rights, unfortunately from your perspective, has a very long arm of the law. And you take others down with you by ignoring the common courtesies (let alone laws of the land)...for instance, this forum. Yes, if one should continue to paste others' copyrighted material here without permission or acknowledgement of the "owner" (as dictated by law), this forum would cease to exist, and you and the curator of this forum would be subject to any infringement law suits that might be brought forth.

Getting huffing and puffy about what.

Name something stolen? Did I steal from Thoth... the egyptian God of knowledge/writting; did I steal the idea that 'light is life' from him or was it Rah?

Even Jesus, acknowledged the authors of the old testament when making his point, and using their words...

Name one time jesus said thank to Isaiah for the prophecies in Isaiah and Daniel for his...

but more often than other, he expressed his own opinion and thoughts, while referring to what was said before...
(ten commandments into two, ring a bell)?

Not a man alive conveys without the words learned from another. Do you understand the conveyance Jesus as quoted on what makes a man/women GOOD.

Mark 10:

17And as he is going forth into the way, one having run and having kneeled to him, was questioning him, `Good teacher, what may I do, that life age-during I may inherit?'

18And Jesus said to him, `Why me dost thou call good? no one [is] good except One -- God;

19the commands thou hast known: Thou mayest not commit adultery, Thou mayest do no murder, Thou mayest not steal, Thou mayest not bear false witness, Thou mayest not defraud, Honour thy father and mother.'

Sorry that was only 6 rules..... the injil...... as well he did not say...

i will not plagerize

or thout shalt notith doith thatith everithith

them the laws of mankind, thinking they own 'everything'

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Getting huffing and puffy about what.

Name something stolen? Did I steal from Thoth... the egyptian God of knowledge/writting; did I steal the idea that 'light is life' from him or was it Rah?


Name one time jesus said thank to Isaiah for the prophecies in Isaiah and Daniel for his...

Not a man alive conveys without the words learned from another. Do you understand the conveyance Jesus as quoted on what makes a man/women GOOD.

Mark 10:

17And as he is going forth into the way, one having run and having kneeled to him, was questioning him, `Good teacher, what may I do, that life age-during I may inherit?'

18And Jesus said to him, `Why me dost thou call good? no one [is] good except One -- God;

19the commands thou hast known: Thou mayest not commit adultery, Thou mayest do no murder, Thou mayest not steal, Thou mayest not bear false witness, Thou mayest not defraud, Honour thy father and mother.'

Sorry that was only 6 rules..... the injil...... as well he did not say...

i will not plagerize

or thout shalt notith doith thatith everithith

them the laws of mankind, thinking they own 'everything'

Actually, your original point was this: "Not a man alive conveys without the words learned from another as well you may be a little unlettered in you understanding of the conveyance Jesus is quoted on what makes a man/women GOOD."

I know a bit more than you think, but then I'm not out to prove anything either, so have your fun...lol, I'll be reading with great interest.

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Actually, your original point was this: "Not a man alive conveys without the words learned from another

Words are how we share ideas. Ideas are conveyed in words.

No word have I used did I coin (create). Just as the ideas and words to convey the reality of what is true are not mine.

what is being shared is 'the conveyance of the truth' can be in words without the need of magic or phenomenon


each can understand equally with the proper words and not a one is was mine to begin with

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Words are how we share ideas. Ideas are conveyed in words.

No word have I used did I coin (create). Just as the ideas and words to convey the reality of what is true are not mine.

what is being shared is 'the conveyance of the truth' can be in words without the need of magic or phenomenon


each can understand equally with the proper words and not a one is was mine to begin with

You cut your original statement short, again. You think you know more than others?

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

You cut your original statement short, again. You think you know more than others?

in areas that affect exactly how life works?

simply add, Einstein, Jesus, Darwin, Bohr, Confucius, Krsna, Buddha, Surgeon General and every professor you have know or read about, combine them; and we are real close.........

from how life began in the basic soup of life, to how the human brain works at the molecular level, combined with the physic of the cosmos, to Good and Bad, in definable words that combine with the math to perfect this understanding.......

Basically the knowledge to combine the sciences, religions and philosophies into a set of material called UNDERSTANDING; in which all mankind can be equal; is pretty much what this life was born for.

and guess what; none of it is mine!

all this 'i' did was observe enough to 'see' what is true within..... that's it!

Light is life; and it is a proven fact!

[Bishadi]

where do you think the arrogance comes from?

It ain't from being complacent. It is from climbing them mountains of pursuing knowledge to answer real questions and reaching the top on every summit attempted.

that is where the arrogance comes from; actually doing the work.

Not paid for it, not for a prize; but simply to know. The key is never being complacent and believing what someone says just because other do.

simply follow this rule:

"believe nothing no matter where you read it or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and common sense."

[Thomas]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Of mass and energy?; it is.
Zero DOUBT. Zero Possibility of ERROR.

OK ... but so what?

I don't know how you define God, but in my Tradition (Catholicism), and those I have dipped into, albeit lightly, it's evident that 'God' refers to something beyond the phenomenal universe (such as Hebrew, Christian, Moslem, Daoist, Brahmin, etc.,).

So I have no idea what 'God' means to you, but to me, and many, many others, God is not contained in nor governed by the laws of mass and energy, so I suggest the error is yours in failing to comprehend what Scripture is talking about in the first place.

(That does rather pose the question about scientists, who believe in the laws of science, and God ... how do you respond to them?)

I admire your faith in science by the way, but I cannot hold to it ... science has demonstrated to me that as it is totally dependent upon man, it is fallible, so I think your statement goes against reason and logic.

+++

Originally Posted by Bishadi

As for me? a stoned cold brat. Where do you think the arrogance comes from?

Your ego? Your error? Delusion? As you seem to be operating on your own, how would you know ... it's the classic, "Look! Everybody's marching out of time, but me!"

Originally Posted by Bishadi

It is the fact that from Hawking to Dawkins, from the Pope to Einstein; all were looking but it was right in front of them the whole time.

Yet you miss the point. It's not where man is looking ... it's what man sees. Two men, one microscope, one slide ... two different responses.

Hawkings is believed to be not entirely right, by many. I've seen someone use Dawkins' own argument to demonstrate that Richard Dawkins does not exist ... Einstein was proved wrong about Relativity and about Quantum Physics ... and the Pope is not infallible either ... but you seem to have infallible beliefs in a fallible discipline rendering infallible proofs.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

And what is the best is no can OWN the truth; no one can stop it and this 'i' would just as soon kick the bucket then ever sell out.

Oh, heroic talk ... but actually says nothing ... if Hawking or Dawkins chooses to keep schtumm, then you're in the dark, aren't you, so you are utterly dependent upon others to provide you the data with which you determine your infallibility?

Something Buddha and Einstein have in common perhaps, they took what they knew to the grave. Where does that leave you?

Originally Posted by Bishadi

it is why from Russia to China, the South Pacific to the north Atlantic and all the other countries and people on this globe; with the internet; the truth is spreading. It is growing and collectively the change will occur.

Oh please! They said that about the written word ... the printed word ... they say it about every new piece of technology that comes along.

And according to every measure of your science, the major benefit of the internet (as also the domestic video recorder) is the proliferation and spread of pornography ... but then science has no ethics nor morality, so what can you expect? But knowledge? No way ... you can find the 'truth' and 'fact' of anything you like on the internet ...

... it's not the spread of knowledge, it's the spread of noise, by which we trick ourselves into thinking its knowledge ...

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Think of yourself in Ptolemy's time and Copernicus...

OK. Point taken. But think of the Big Bang, that was a theory by a Dominican Monk. So all you've shown is that man is fallible ... that's my point.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

They can't spell science. If you said Hindu and removed the word Christianity, then maybe.

That's just blind ignorance and bigotry. I can name a raft of scientists who are/were Christians, and who have made major contributions to science.

[QUOTE=Bishadi;152097]But the whole 'forgiveness from God' idea established in Christianity was the most corrupt and disallusional frame on this earth.[/.quote]
Not if you understood the doctrine properly. It's founded on simple logic and pure reason — according to the data of Revelation:

God made the world.
God made the rules ... which are there for the good of all.
Man broke the rules.

Therefore the fault is with man,
the offence is against God.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

It took responsibility from each person and made it a devil or some other entities fault for the actions people make.

Actually if you understood Scripture you'd know that's not the case.

No, I must revise that. Your knowledge of Christianity seems to rest on a teaching that's philosophically shallow, a common fault with denominations of the more recent era. You should study Orthodox or Catholic doctrine, it's far more philosophically thought through, and it's far more rigorous in its methods of procedure.

Suffice to say that in tradition Christianity, man is created free will, and therefore counted responsible for his own actions.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

And then suggest; ah just ask Jesus to save you and ah.... you'll be saved....what a crock.

Again, shallow thinking.

But keep going, Bishadi, all you're doing is demonstrating how authoritatively you speak about things you don't really understand.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Evangelical and political entities created by Christianity are some of the most corrupt on this earth.

Oh please, not that old saw.

The only corrupt entity is man ... and he infects everything he touches. If you want a Church without sin, then OK. But it'll be empty.

Shall I go through the history of science, and its wonders? The gas chamber? The lobotomy programme in the US in the 50s and 60s ... eugenics ... or the Stalinist regime ... Pol Pot ...

As the poet said:
"After 2,000 years of Christian mass, we've come as far as poison gas."

Do not dare to criticise religion as if you are without fault — that's hypocrisy of a stellar magnitude.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Have you ever watched on TV where people are wiggling on the floor because some dude slapped on the forehead and said; 'in the name of Jesus'

have you ever watched on TV that scientist claiming he's developed cold fusion ... or Piltdown Man ... or the scientists today who fabricate cancer research experiments to divert millions of dollars towards their own bank accounts ... diversions that put the real research back decades?

Originally Posted by Bishadi

I would bet if Jesus was here today, he would kill himself just by seeing all the corruption and abuse of his teaching by the hypocrites of this sect.

Then you don't know the man. He's got far more strength of character than that. He puts up with your sh*t, and will still welcome you as a long-lost son.

It's an old song, Bishadi, and its tired, and its a weak and it's threadbare.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Inspired by words left from many texts.

And so am I.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Secular in that the truth only operates ONE way.

I think even science would dispute that.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Empirical; in that sciences and phenomema combine.

Empirical phenomena ... not all phenomena ...

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Spiritual in that; nothing can bend the truth.

I'd argue that one as well. Have you heard a politician in full flight. The good ones never lie, but it's not quite the truth, either.

I think truth 'bends' round politicians like light round a heavy object.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Knowledge from the four corners of the earth; not just from this continent as well not from the 'institutional' frame of scholarly complacency to paradigm.

And again the assumption that Christian philosophy or metaphysics comes from?

But the point is, I'm talking supernatural knowledge ... not natural knowledge.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

It was when the work was shared in 82' and none of the institutions it was sent too, could comprehend the work; so all institutional pursuits were ended.

Ah ... or perhaps they all saw the flaw which hadn't been noticed ... or had been ignored?

Originally Posted by Bishadi

The work, desire, and intent was all because of an absolute resolve to Understand, with or without, anyone's God, anyones teacher, and definitely without anyones money, compassion or trust; a single man made a commitment and the covenant is being fullfilled!

You mean, an absolute resolve to understand without reference to anything meaningful ... so you are the arbiter of what is real and true ...

Sorry Bishadi ... but if you're gonna dish it out, you gotta be able to take it ...

that's a law ...

Thomas

[Bishadi]

I don't know how you define God, but in my Tradition (Catholicism), and those I have dipped into, albeit lightly, it's evident that 'God' refers to something beyond the phenomenal universe (such as Hebrew, Christian, Moslem, Daoist, Brahmin, etc.,).

So I have no idea what 'God' means to you, but to me, and many, many others, God is not contained in nor governed by the laws of mass and energy, so I suggest the error is yours in failing to comprehend what Scripture is talking about in the first place.

All mass, all energy, all time: ONE; the total; the trinity comprising existence: God.

Alpha/Omega, the beginning the end. The indescribable. In you, of you, within you; at all times.

God is not some dude sitting on a thrown (Zeus) and when people began literature of such; God was a king but to know your religion as you suggest, then find God is that trinity and from Love to good and bad; the rules of nature; are actually revealed by God (existence).

And then to know God is the total of everything, then realize no ‘sin’ is ever undone. As well, know God’s face in all the faces (colors) of mankind. So each of HIS knowledge is EQUALLY important.

I admire your faith in science by the way, but I cannot hold to it ... science has demonstrated to me that as it is totally dependent upon man, it is fallible, so I think your statement goes against reason and logic.

And believing in magic, phenomenon and omnipotence is reasonable and logical?

Your ego? Your error? Delusion? As you seem to be operating on your own, how would you know ... it's the classic, "Look! Everybody's marching out of time, but me!"

And what happened to Moses; Why did Confucius spend so much time alone; how many disciples did Jesus have? Galileo, Copernicus, Darwin….. or even Bill Gates….

The list is huge as many of the greats are dead before their work is even recognized; all because People are so stuck on ‘their own minds’ that until someone else approves, most choose not to do the homework; it’s a common psychosis; lazy, complacent and care nothing for the understanding of even their own children; for the truth!


still reading yur post

[Bishadi]

Something Buddha and Einstein have in common perhaps, they took what they knew to the grave. Where does that leave you?

The same with you; do you intent to continue the quest for the truth, for the next generation or not?

Yes; good; to support life
No: Bad: a loss to the common……. (you’re wasting oxygen)

Your internet comments seem like a rant based on the media. Fact is more knowledge is available by the internet than you could find in the library of congress; with the ability to search and disseminate without having to turn paper pages.

More can be absorbed simply by doing (via internet) than in any other format on earth!

“””Think of yourself in Ptolemy's time and Copernicus”””’

was a comment to share the paradigm shift of thinking…. Maybe read a little on what happened

God made the world.
God made the rules ... which are there for the good of all.
Man broke the rules.

Therefore the fault is with man,
the offence is against God

Man wrote down everything man said God did. Once you realize that fact then you can realize your other comment

OK. Point taken. But think of the Big Bang, that was a theory by a Dominican Monk. So all you've shown is that man is fallible ... that's my point.

God made the world; Good the world existence within the ONE (trinity)

God made the rules: and in nature we can see them but men are fallible in comprehending ‘the rules’

Man broke the rules; yep, before ‘consciousness’ man was instinctive (like monkeys) and when man became ‘self’ (choice was born/adams apple story) then he covered himself (fig leaf/selfish pride) and was banished from the garden. (he began to think himself better or separate from nature)

Therefore the fault is with man,
the offence is against God ……… and therefore the religions are inconsistent with reality, sharing false realities that are now to a point in which the religious believers (Judaism/Islam) are about to begin global war based on the foolish beliefs of faith.