Jesus Christ, he will return?

[mee]

Jesus’ second coming, or, more accurately, his presence. The Greek word pa·rou·si´a that many translations render "coming" at Matthew 24:3 does not mean a time when he would come or arrive but means that he has already arrived and is on hand, is present. In Jesus’ case it means that he is invisibly present as Jehovah’s enthroned King and is reigning from heaven. This is in keeping with Jesus’ statement at John 14:19: "A little longer and the world will behold me no more." Since he would not be physically visible, he gave a sign that would indicate his return and invisible presence as Jehovah’s reigning King..........it makes a big difference to our correct understanding if the translation we use is using the correct meaning.

[Proph 1]

God's plan for saving people consisted of sending his Son to die a sacrifical death in mankind's place. When the news of what Jesus has done gets a chance to be heard by all, he will come again to get his own, and to judge his enemies.

He's Coming Back!

[arthra]

Originally Posted by Bull's Eye

I can't recall at the moment which philosopher it was that said Messianic Religions are Religions of the suppressed. That it is the attempt of the suppressed to flip the script.

Getting back to what I quoted from you, I strongly suggest you look into ancient Mesopotamian legends - Zoroaster/Zarathrustra - Judaism - Mithra - Catholicism - Gnosticism - Islam - Protestantism. You may see even more of a trend than you did. The fact is that for a new religion to emerge it must incorporate with the existing religion. For example, that is why Christianity's beliefs and practices are repeats from the Mithra cult, and also why it's theological philosophies echo that of Zoroaterism and Judaism. You will only see this after you have familiarised yourself with the various religions. Nearly all religions that are no longer Pagan, are inter-related in one way or another. And the main thread or reason behind it is the call upon followers to multiply. If you look back to the bloom of this idea, and I believe it was Zoroastrianism (650-3000 B.C.E. no-one can agree), that is ALLOT of time to go forth and multiply. Far longer than 30-40 C.E.

Well i think you have some interesting points.. I agree with your statement:

"Nearly all religions that are no longer Pagan, are inter-related in one way or another."

And i also agree that the Zoroastrianism is very important to undestand... One of the apocryphal Gospels mentions that the Magi were repsonding to a prophecy of Zoroaster in seeking the Christ and so on.

I'm unsure what you meant by "multiplying".

The concept of a returning Saviour is found though in the Zoroastrian prophecies of "Saoshyans". In the Baha'i Faith we also have reference to fulfilling prophecies long before and recognizing the interrelatedness os religions. You might be interested in thgis article:

http://bahai-library.com/articles/buck.zoroaster.html

Each age we believe has special challenges and requirements and that is why there is a renewal of the original truths in a new garment or in a sense a "return".

- Art

[Proph 1]

Some people continue to mock his Coming, as the scriptures said they would do. They say things like:

"All things have been going the same as the begining of time. There was always wars, earthquakes, plagues, etc. Where is the promise of his Coming? When is he coming...Is he coming?"

Some people say these things and forget that the scriptures says:

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

In God's AMAZING LOVE he waits for us to repent and come to the Savior so that we may find life. Yet man continue to willingly doubt. They dont realize that is Mercy thats been keeping them alive all this time. Its mercy that allows them to wake up another day that they may find the Savior and live. Its MERCY thats not killing them. Yet men chose not to recieve God's gift.

Why!?

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

Jesus’ second coming, or, more accurately, his presence. The Greek word pa·rou·si´a that many translations render "coming" at Matthew 24:3 does not mean a time when he would come or arrive but means that he has already arrived and is on hand, is present. In Jesus’ case it means that he is invisibly present as Jehovah’s enthroned King and is reigning from heaven. This is in keeping with Jesus’ statement at John 14:19: "A little longer and the world will behold me no more." Since he would not be physically visible, he gave a sign that would indicate his return and invisible presence as Jehovah’s reigning King..........it makes a big difference to our correct understanding if the translation we use is using the correct meaning.

I believe those passages refer specifially to the Holy Spirit being here with us now (since the time Jesus ascended into Heaven 40 days after rising from the dead). In fact Jesus said He had to leave for awhile, so that the Holy Spirit could come. Further more, the proof of the Holy Spirit's presence was noted when the Disciples experienced a wind and tongues of flame resting over their foreheads. Immediately after, they (newly emboldened by the Holy Spirit), went out and spoke to the crowds, and the crowds understood the disciples, each in their own language, all at the same time. I believe that day was and is called Pentacostal Sunday, or the Feast of the Pentacost.

v/r

Q

[mee]

Originally Posted by Proph 1

Some people continue to mock his Coming, as the scriptures said they would do. They say things like:

"All things have been going the same as the begining of time. There was always wars, earthquakes, plagues, etc. Where is the promise of his Coming? When is he coming...Is he coming?"

Some people say these things and forget that the scriptures says:

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

In God's AMAZING LOVE he waits for us to repent and come to the Savior so that we may find life. Yet man continue to willingly doubt. They dont realize that is Mercy thats been keeping them alive all this time. Its mercy that allows them to wake up another day that they may find the Savior and live. Its MERCY thats not killing them. Yet men chose not to recieve God's gift.

Why!?

true,the bible verses you quoted are so true, people do not recognize Jesus kingship and his presence at all .and they do not recognize the signs that Jesus left us ,but in the end ,The only way to escape andnot perish is for themto come to repentence .remember his presence is happening right now, since his kingship in the heavens in 1914and to deny Jesus kingship means that we deny Jesus himself
"What will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?"matthew 24; 3.....the reason that Jesus left us signs was because he would not come back to earth in the flesh again but his kingship was in the heavens .and all of the signs have been happening since 1914for us to plainly see. but people still say ,oh there has always been wars .earthquakes etc ect

Jesus urged his followers to stay alert. He provided a sign so that his presence could be recognized, though most would take no note: "As the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be."—Matthew 24:37-39.

During the days of Noah, most people of that generation just carried on with their normal affairs. Jesus foretold that it would be the same with "the presence of the Son of man." The people around Noah might have felt that nothing would happen. Those days, which spread over time, led to a climax, "the flood came and swept them all away." Luke presents a similar account in which Jesus compared "the days of Noah" with "the days of the Son of man." Jesus said "The same way it will be on that day when the Son of man is to be revealed."—Luke 17:26-30

[Seeker_of_truth]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

Not liking the idea he had children. Holy men I feel should be devoted to God. Should stay pure in this sense. also he came from a wealthy family, maybe the idea that Iran had a prophet (Zoroastra) in the past made people believe that they could also be a chosen one, especially people that live in wealth and let there heads high.. I class myself as a Christian theologist with my whole life to decide which path to take. May that be anyway. Also Jesus will be returning towards the end of the world... Maybe further then we expect but it wasn't in the 1800s when Baha'u'llah was a live. We should see mircles.

The again, who knows. I'm still researching this relgion.

Baha'u'llah was born into a rich family, after he came of age and understanding he gave all of his money to the poor. He was thrown into prison by the Shah. In this remote prison a maided on heaven (an angel) came to him telling him he had a mission.

You asked about his life. I can tell you that the most amazing thing (IMHO) is that His religion came out of an extremist Mulsim society where people could be legally killed by the government for no reason. Also, keep in mind he was not schooled yet he wrote hundreds upon hundreds of beautiful volumes of scripture that (IMHO) could be only the work of God. He was exiled from city to city because the rulers were scared of him. His ministry lasted 40 years.

Also, about your comment "We should see mircles". In the bible the devil tempts jesus commanding him to perform miracles to prove Himself.
So in essence asking for miracles is in fact doing the work of the devil.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Seeker_of_truth

Baha'u'llah was born into a rich family, after he came of age and understanding he gave all of his money to the poor. He was thrown into prison by the Shah. In this remote prison a maided on heaven (an angel) came to him telling him he had a mission.

You asked about his life. I can tell you that the most amazing thing (IMHO) is that His religion came out of an extremist Mulsim society where people could be legally killed by the government for no reason. Also, keep in mind he was not schooled yet he wrote hundreds upon hundreds of beautiful volumes of scripture that (IMHO) could be only the work of God. He was exiled from city to city because the rulers were scared of him. His ministry lasted 40 years.

Also, about your comment "We should see mircles". In the bible the devil tempts jesus commanding him to perform miracles to prove Himself.
So in essence asking for miracles is in fact doing the work of the devil.

Not quite. Baha'i is not quite that smooth in coming into existense. It came out of the 19th century in Iran.

And one of the points of the faith is to use Christian Gospel to further it's point, but not at the cost of the Bahallahuh's (sp) message.

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Joshua

[Seeker_of_truth]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Not quite. Baha'i is not quite that smooth in coming into existense. It came out of the 19th century in Iran.

And one of the points of the faith is to use Christian Gospel to further it's point, but not at the cost of the Bahallahuh's (sp) message.

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Joshua

I understand that, I just felt that writting a long post would result in people skipping it over.
Also, i dont understand what you meant by the following:


"And one of the points of the faith is to use Christian Gospel to further it's point, but not at the cost of the Bahallahuh's (sp) message."

P.S.
It's "Baha'u'llah" not "Bahallahuh". Do I say "Jebzus" instead of "Jesus"?

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Seeker_of_truth

I understand that, I just felt that writting a long post would result in people skipping it over.
Also, i dont understand what you meant by the following:


"And one of the points of the faith is to use Christian Gospel to further it's point, but not at the cost of the Bahallahuh's (sp) message."

P.S.
It's "Baha'u'llah" not "Bahallahuh". Do I say "Jebzus" instead of "Jesus"?

That is what (sp) means... (spelling is off or incorrect).
And, the other part is taken from Baha'i precepts. Christian Gospel does not supercede the message of Baha'u'llah.

I fail to see where I caused insult or misunderstanding.

[Penguin]

When or will Jesus Christ return? I think this is very easy to answer. He will return when man has destroyed itself and this planet, which, let's face it, isn't that far away. I'd say 100-200 years from now. Through mass nuclear war, illness and mass poverty man & technology will ebb away, to the point that the wheel will have to be re-invented again and how to make fire will have to be thought of. The earth will be barron and desolate once again. If you want to see the future look at the past, Jesus Christ will come again at this time and along with everything else another cycle of the human race will have to start. Jesus Christ will have to be gods "representative" once again and sacrifice himself for the sins of the "new cycle" Everything goes through cycles, the earth goes through cycles, easy to see over the millions of years it has existed and humans go through cycles. As before Jesus Christ helped & promoted the cycle by breaking the barrier between humans and god and eradicating sin and he will do it once again. I suppose you could say Jesus Christ acts in cycles too. This will be the second coming. You heard it here first! My thoughts anyway.

[Seeker_of_truth]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Not quite. Baha'i is not quite that smooth in coming into existense. It came out of the 19th century in Iran.

And one of the points of the faith is to use Christian Gospel to further it's point, but not at the cost of the Bahallahuh's (sp) message.

v/r

Joshua

Could you please correct the points you say are incorrect.

[mee]

[quote=Penguin;80791]When or will Jesus Christ return? I think this is very easy to answer. He will return when man has destroyed itself and this planet, quote] but the bible says that ,God is going to bring to ruin those ruining the earth............ revelation 11;18 so man will not be allowed to destroy this planet ,God is going to step in before we do that .and those who are willing to be taught by God will inherit the earth and it will be made back into paradise conditions which was the original purpose of God.the bible holds out a wonderful hope for the earth and for those who will inherit the earth.

But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth,

And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.psalm 37;11

(Isaiah 45:18) For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the [true] God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited: "I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.

(Matthew 5:5) "Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.

(Revelation 21:3) With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: "Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them.

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by Bull's Eye

that is why Christianity's beliefs and practices are repeats from the Mithra cult, and also why it's theological philosophies echo that of Zoroaterism...

i doubt it.

[Francis king]

do u think before he gets here we should take the crosses off stuff, so we dont give him a complex..?