Jesus Christ, he will return? - Page 7

mee · 12-03-2006, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Francis king

do u think before he gets here we should take the crosses off stuff, so we dont give him a complex..?

his true followers have already done that.they recognize that it would be offense to God to have pagan things attached to their worship of God.

BlaznFattyz · 12-04-2006, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mee

his true followers have already done that.they recognize that it would be offense to God to have pagan things attached to their worship of God.

there is nothing pagan about the rememberances of what christ did for us.

mee · 12-05-2006, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

there is nothing pagan about the rememberances of what christ did for us.

...... very true, there is nothing pagan about the memorial of christs death, but as for pagan symbols need i say more. i feel another thread coming on somewhere.

The Gospel writer Luke confirms that Jesus commanded: "Keep doing this in remembrance of me." (Luke 22:19) These words have also been rendered: "Do this in memory of me" (Today’s English Version) and "Do this as a memorial of me." (The Jerusalem Bible) In fact, this observance is often referred to as the Memorial of Christ’s death. Paul also calls it the Lord’s Evening Meal—an appropriate designation, since this was instituted at night. (1 Corinthians 11:20) Christians are commanded to observe the Lord’s Evening Meal. yes the memorial of christs death is very important to true christians. and there certainly wont be any pagan crosses around when that is going on. so getting back to the threads theme ,(Jesus christ ,he will return )
In words recorded in the Gospel of Luke, Jesus compared Christians to slaves waiting for their master to return from a wedding. They need to keep alert so that when he arrives they will be awake, ready to receive him. In a similar way, Jesus said: "At an hour that you do not think likely the Son of man is coming." (Luke 12:40)

mee · 12-05-2006, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

I believe those passages refer specifially to the Holy Spirit being here with us now (since the time Jesus ascended into Heaven 40 days after rising from the dead). In fact Jesus said He had to leave for awhile, so that the Holy Spirit could come. Further more, the proof of the Holy Spirit's presence was noted when the Disciples experienced a wind and tongues of flame resting over their foreheads. Immediately after, they (newly emboldened by the Holy Spirit), went out and spoke to the crowds, and the crowds understood the disciples, each in their own language, all at the same time. I believe that day was and is called Pentacostal Sunday, or the Feast of the Pentacost.

v/r

Q

yes the holy spirit certainly moves people into action, as it did in those days, and still does today.

Cage · 12-05-2006, 04:50 PM

I have a question...If he were to come back in bodily form, claiming to be the Alpha and Omega, changing things around, would you recognize him, or think him a nut for claiming such things?

Love,

Dondi · 12-05-2006, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cage

I have a question...If he were to come back in bodily form, claiming to be the Alpha and Omega, changing things around, would you recognize him, or think him a nut for claiming such things?

Love,

Well, hey Cage. Nice to see you again.

"Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect...For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. " - Matthew 24:23-24, 27

I reckon to see Him like this:

"And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." - Revelation 19:11-16

mee · 12-05-2006, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cage

I have a question...If he were to come back in bodily form, claiming to be the Alpha and Omega, changing things around, would you recognize him, or think him a nut for claiming such things?

Love,

he wont come in the flesh again, so if someone claimed to be him he would be a nut.

9Harmony · 12-05-2006, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cage

I have a question...If he were to come back in bodily form, claiming to be the Alpha and Omega, changing things around, would you recognize him, or think him a nut for claiming such things?
Love,

I believe He did, and yes, I recognized Him.

But the majority of people branded Him a heretic and imprisoned and exiled Him for 40 years. <sigh> History has a way of repeating itself.

Dondi · 12-05-2006, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 9Harmony

I believe He did, and yes, I recognized Him.

But the majority of people branded Him a heretic and imprisoned and exiled Him for 40 years. <sigh> History has a way of repeating itself.

Who would that be, 9Harmony?

ETA: Nevermind, I just realized something.

Cage · 12-05-2006, 06:31 PM

mee, why do you think he will come in Spirit? I'm likely to agree, but there is much to suggest otherwise in the Bible if I'm not mis understanding it.

Although, Revelations is too heavy a book for me at the moment, and I don't read it. My only insight comes from others who believe in an apocolyptic return, and from those who don't.

I personally think he comes in Spirit and not as actual lightning from the east, or upon a literal horse while wearing a crown. But this where I get confused, how are we to breakdown the anologies, and abstract vagueness of some scripture?

His return is clouded in mystery...

Love,

Cage · 12-05-2006, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 9Harmony

I believe He did, and yes, I recognized Him.

But the majority of people branded Him a heretic and imprisoned and exiled Him for 40 years. <sigh> History has a way of repeating itself.

I have no idea who you are talking about, lol!

Care to fill me in #9?

Love,

9Harmony · 12-05-2006, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cage

I have no idea who you are talking about, lol!

Care to fill me in #9?
Love,

Hi Cage,

Here's a sample of what i'm referring to.

Bahá'í Reference Library - Proclamation of Bahá’u’lláh, Pages 111-112

Bahá'í Reference Library - Tablets of Bahá’u’lláh Revealed After the Kitáb-i-Aqdas, Pages 9-17

Bahá'í Reference Library - The Hidden Words of Bahá’u’lláh

Have a wonderful day!

JosephM · 12-05-2006, 07:31 PM

Greetings Cage and welcome back,
Good job Mee,
Acts 1:9-11
And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. [10] And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; [11] Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
The word used for gazing was emblepo which is more a discerning than seeing. It is the same greek word used in John 1:36
And looking (emblepo) upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!
You see John didn't see the lamb of God with his natural eyes, he discerned with his spiritual eyes. No one else saw a lamb of God except John. The same in Acts chapter 1 above.

Think about it. The angels said why do you stand gazing up into heaven this same Jesus shall come in like manner. There was no need for them to stand there gazing. They could see him come in like manner anywhere anytime they got back into the spirit. His second coming is not physical. Jesus the man said he finished the work that he was given. Christ the spirit man is the hope of our glory. This is his mystery that is still hid from some...
Col. 1:27
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

That is your hope in his coming... that Christ be formed in you.

Love in Christ,
JM

Cage · 12-05-2006, 07:59 PM

Thanks #9

Joseph, I understand what you're saying here as this is how I lean, but what about The book of Revelations? Take nothing from it?

Btw, it's good to be back, and thanks to both you and Dondi for greeting me again...

Love,

JosephM · 12-05-2006, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cage

Joseph, I understand what you're saying here as this is how I lean, but what about The book of Revelations? Take nothing from it?

Btw, it's good to be back, and thanks to both you and Dondi for greeting me again...

Love,

Hi Cage,
Good question..... I am neither adding nor taking away from it. That book is written in very symbolic language which I doubt the majority of people even understand.
Rev. 1:1
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

As you can see in the first verse, the book is about the revelation
(apokalupsis,ap-ok-al'-oop-sis; from Greek 601 (apokalupto); disclosure :- appearing, coming, lighten, manifestation, be revealed, revelation) of Jesus Christ. The entire book purpose is to reveal Christ not predict doomsday. Its purpose was to write the things which must shortly come to pass. Don't take or add to that. Shortly means shortly, not 2000 years. Obviously most people are missing those things which were shortly to come to pass because they have their 'eyes in the wrong place'. So they look to the physical for that which is spiritual. "God is a spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

Rev. 1:10
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

John was in the spirit and spoke words and wrote words from the spirit. If God doesn't give you the understanding then one must not try to make it something it is not. It is best to leave it alone until God reveals it. That is definitly not a literal book to be taken literally. It was written from things in the spirit for the spirit. It is best not to put words in the spirits mouth from the flesh as many do to their own confusion and misinterpretation.

Just a view to consider my friend,
JM