Jesus is God

BlaznFattyz · 01-19-2008, 04:33 PM

God is the creator of all things
Job 33:4, "The Spirit of God has made me; the breath of the Almighty gives me life."
Isaiah 40:28, "Do you not know? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no one can fathom."
Jesus is the creator of all things
John 1:3, "Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made."
Col. 1:16-17, "For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together."
So thru creation we see that God is the Father, the Son, and the Spirit.

God is the first (alpha) and the last (omega)
Isaiah 41:4, "Who has done this and carried it through, calling forth the generations from the beginning? I, the LORD -- with the first of them and with the last -- I am he."
Isaiah 44:6, "This is what the LORD says -- Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God."
Isaiah 48:12, "Listen to me, O Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I am he; I am the first and I am the last."
Jesus is the first (alpha) and the last (omega)
Rev. 1:17, "When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: ‘Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.’"
Rev. 2:8, "To the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again."
Rev. 22:13, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."
Both God and Jesus are the first (alpha) and last (omega).

God is I AM.
Exodus 3:14, "God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’"
Isaiah 43:10, "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD, "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me."
Jesus is I AM
John 8:24, "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." (NKJV)
John 8:58, "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" See Exodus 3:14
John 13:19, "I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am He."
Both God and Jesus are I AM.

God is judge
Joel 3:12, "Let the nations be roused; let them advance into the Valley of Jehoshaphat, for there I will sit to judge all the nations on every side."
Rom. 14:10, "You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat."
Jesus is judge
2 Tim. 4:1, "In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge..."
2 Cor. 5:10, "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad."
God and Jesus are both judge; therefore both are God. Furthermore God the Father has given this judgement to the Son who is above all things.

God is King.
Jer. 10:10, "But the LORD is the true God; he is the living God, the eternal King. When he is angry, the earth trembles; the nations cannot endure his wrath."
Isaiah 44:6-8, "This is what the LORD says -- Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God."
Jesus is King
Matt. 2:2, "...Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him."
Luke 23:3, "So Pilate asked Jesus, "Are you the king of the Jews?" "Yes, it is as you say," Jesus replied."
Both God and Jesus are King, both are worshiped, they are both first and last; both are the one true living God.

God is light.
Psalm 27:1, "The LORD is my light and my salvation -- whom shall I fear?"
Isaiah 60:20 ,"our sun will never set again, and your moon will wane no more; the LORD will be your everlasting light, and your days of sorrow will end."
1 John 1:5, "God is light; in him there is no darkness at all."
Jesus is light.
John 8:12,"When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."
Luke 2:32, "a light for revelation to the Gentiles and for glory to your people Israel."
Both God and Jesus are light for the people who hear his voice and those who follow will not stumble.

God is the rock.
Deut. 32:4, "He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he."
Jesus is the rock
1 Cor. 10:, "...for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ."
Both God and Jesus are the rock of salvation. Those who build upon this rock have a sturdy foundation, and their house will not fall.

God is the shepherd
Psalm 23:1, "The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not be in want."
Isaiah 40:11, "He tends his flock like a shepherd: He gathers the lambs in his arms and carries them close to his heart; he gently leads those that have young."
Jesus is the shepherd
John 10:11, "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep."
Heb. 13:20, "May the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep,"
Both God and Jesus are the shepherd.

God is salvation
Isaiah 43:3, "For I am the LORD, your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior"
Isaiah 45:21, "...And there is no God apart from me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but me."
Jesus is salvation
John 4:24, "They said to the woman, ‘We no longer believe just because of what you said; now we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this man really is the Savior of the world.’"
1 John 4:14, "And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world."
Both God and Jesus are salvation. The Word of God whom the Father sent became man and layed down his life so that we may have life in his glorious name. He is the Saviour of the world and there is no other. Jesus is light, everlasting life, our saviour, king of kings, lord of lords, YHWH, alpha and omega, the shepherd. the rock, I AM, judge, and creator. There is no other name under heaven thru which we are saved and no one can pluck us from his hand. Jesus is God to the Glory of the Faher. Amen.

path_of_one · 01-19-2008, 06:31 PM

Thanks- I like this. I will print it out, actually, and keep it. It's succinct and scriptural, and great for bringing up the parallels.

flowperson · 01-19-2008, 07:45 PM

Or, as I extrapolated the discussions from another threa,. G-d is the octave above, the holy spirit is the octave below, and Jesus is the octave with us in the middle as we live. All in all the three being, 888, three octaves, the three into one, the trinity, the music of life.

This is what Pythagoras led us all to back in the day presaging our use of mathematics in our lives. And this is reflective of really ancient beliefs concerning the similarity of what is below with what is above, and how they interact with each other to create our realities.

Just my two cents worth.

flow....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Tablet

China Cat Sunflower · 01-19-2008, 09:26 PM

Well, I'd have to say that while the connections on the NT-OT axis are deliberate, they don't prove anything beyond the NT authors intent to tie Jesus to OT themes and concepts. But if we accept the claims made about Jesus by his "biographers", then I can't really see any way not to have him be some permutation of God to be all the things he's supposed to be. I'm not sure how Jesus could manage to be the Logos without being one of the Godhead, and a triangle shaped triune Godhead makes perfect sense at that level of the heavenly hierarchy.

Chris

lunamoth · 01-20-2008, 01:21 AM

Very nice Blazn.

dailogue is the best · 01-20-2008, 01:30 AM

Hello everybody,
thank you for your interesting post.....but, I have a simple question: the sun is three: a planet, fire and light. Can we consider fire sun? can we consider light sun? can we? are nt they just sun's manifestation?

path_of_one · 01-20-2008, 04:19 AM

Actually, the sun is not a planet. It is a star, basically a big ball of hot gasses.

I think comparing the sun and God is kind of like comparing well, the sun and an apple. Or a flower and the ocean. They are not good analogies for each other.

The sun manifests heat and light, yes. And no, heat and light are not the same thing as the sun. But how is that a good example for God? That's where you lose me.

bible_reader · 01-20-2008, 08:12 AM

" Jesus said to him, 'Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone. " (Mark 10:18)

" he learnt obedience, Son though he was, through his sufferings; " (Hebrews 5:8)

" Jesus said to her, 'Do not cling to me, because I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to the brothers, and tell them: I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.' " (John 20:17)

" 'But as for that day or hour, nobody knows it, neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son; no one but the Father. " (Mark 13:32)

" May the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, give you a spirit of wisdom and perception of what is revealed, to bring you to full knowledge of him. " (Ephesians 1:17)

" Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the merciful Father and the God who gives every possible encouragement; " (2 Corinthians 1:3)

Are Christians promoting a form of Polytheism with their Trinity Doctrine?

" 28 Father, glorify your name! A voice came from heaven, 'I have glorified it, and I will again glorify it.'

29 The crowd standing by, who heard this, said it was a clap of thunder; others said, 'It was an angel speaking to him.' " (John 12:28-29)

" You heard me say: I am going away and shall return. If you loved me you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. " (John 14:28)

" Yahweh declared to my Lord, Take your seat at my right hand, till I have made your enemies your footstool. " (Psalms 110:1)

" 'In all truth I tell you, no servant is greater than his master, no messenger is greater than the one who sent him. " (John 13:16)

" He was trustworthy to the one who appointed him, just like Moses, who remained trustworthy in all his household; " (Hebrews 3:2)

" It is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our ancestors, who has glorified his servant Jesus whom you handed over and then disowned in the presence of Pilate after he had given his verdict to release him. " (Acts 3:13)

" A revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him so that he could tell his servants what is now to take place very soon; he sent his angel to make it known to his servant John, " (Revelation 1:1)

" When everything has been subjected to him, then the Son himself will be subjected to the One who has subjected everything to him, so that God may be all in all. " (1 Corinthians 15:28)

" During his life on earth, he offered up prayer and entreaty, with loud cries and with tears, to the one who had the power to save him from death, and, winning a hearing by his reverence, " (Hebrews 5:7)

" 'For this reason the whole House of Israel can be certain that the Lord and Christ whom God has made is this Jesus whom you crucified. " (Acts 2:36)

juantoo3 · 01-20-2008, 11:44 AM

If there is one thing on this earth that I know without a doubt, it is that I do not know.

dailogue is the best · 01-20-2008, 11:56 AM

Hello everybody,

sorry for losing you, Path of one....I didnt mean to..... My idea is clear and simple: God is one and only.....Jesus (pbuh) is God's messanger and prophet, and the Holy Spirit is one of God's angels...but they aren't the same as God.....Jesus (pbuh) and the Holy Spirit are God's manifestation and creation..(look at Bible Reader's post who thankfully provided us with Quotations wherein Jesus (pbuh) declared that he is only God's messanger, and not God...

the sun is a star ( thanks for correction), heat and light. heat and light come from the sun, but they aren't the same as the sun.....the same with God...God created Jesus(pbuh) and the Holy Spirit, but they aren't the same as God.....they are God's manifestation and creation

I hope my idea is clear now, sister Path of One

God bless you,sister
sis, DB

mee · 01-20-2008, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dailogue is the best

Hello everybody,

sorry for losing you, Path of one....I didnt mean to..... My idea is clear and simple: God is one and only.....Jesus (pbuh) is God's messanger and prophet, and the Holy Spirit is one of God's angels...but they aren't the same as God.....Jesus (pbuh) and the Holy Spirit are God's manifestation and creation..(look at Bible Reader's post who thankfully provided us with Quotations wherein Jesus (pbuh) declared that he is only God's messanger, and not God...

the sun is a star ( thanks for correction), heat and light. heat and light come from the sun, but they aren't the same as the sun.....the same with God...God created Jesus(pbuh) and the Holy Spirit, but they aren't the same as God.....they are God's manifestation and creation

I hope my idea is clear now, sister Path of One

God bless you,sister
sis, DB

holy spirit

The general opinion in Christendom is that the holy spirit is a person, "the third person of the Trinity," coequal and coeternal with God. Does the Bible show the holy spirit to be a person? If not, then what is it?

What, then, is the holy spirit? It is not a person. Rather, it is God’s own active force, used by him to accomplish his will. (Genesis 1:2)

mee · 01-20-2008, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juantoo3

If there is one thing on this earth that I know without a doubt, it is that I do not know.

Jesus said,
This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. John 17;3

the true God is Jehovah ,and the one he sent forth is his son Jesus christ

Saltmeister · 01-20-2008, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dailogue is the best

Hello everybody,

God is one and only.....Jesus (pbuh) is God's messanger and prophet, and the Holy Spirit is one of God's angels...but they aren't the same as God.....Jesus (pbuh) and the Holy Spirit are God's manifestation and creation..(look at Bible Reader's post who thankfully provided us with Quotations wherein Jesus (pbuh) declared that he is only God's messanger, and not God...

Hey, "dailogue is the best."

The Holy Spirit in Christianity isn't an angel. If It or He was, the NT would say so, but it does not. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. God creates angels, but He does not create His own Spirit. He blows and breathes it (metaphorically). The Spirit belongs to God personally. I don't make or create my own breath. Breathing is one of my natural abilities. The Spirit likewise is something that God naturally produces. It's not God-made.

The Spirit is not a part of Creation. Moreover, God Himself is a Spirit, so God and the Spirit that God "breathes" are actually the same thing.

We simple use different names to describe what the entity is doing. If the entity is acting like someone who makes decisions and gives orders we call it God. If it acts like a wind that blows into people's hearts we call it the Spirit.

Since as I have just said, we use different names to describe what the same entity is doing, there is no definition for "God" or "Spirit." God refers to an entity with the highest authority. The Spirit refers to an entity that acts like a wind or breath that blows into people's hearts, and implicitly this Spirit is the mind-blowing wind of the highest authority (God). Yes it's mind-blowing (pun intended) lol.

The Holy Spirit is itself a metaphorical depiction of something God does. God blows spiritual wind into people's minds.

The angels themselves, like God, are spirits. We call them angels when we refer to their position of authority or role as messengers, but we call them either good spirits or evil spirits depending on whether the kind of wind they blow into people's minds causes them to serve a good or evil agenda. That is much like the reason why God is called the Holy Spirit, because the wind of this Spirit we call God inspires a holy, not an unholy agenda.

Joedjr · 01-20-2008, 03:42 PM

Hi,
Round and round and round it goes. I suppose it will never end, perhaps only maybe with the end. It's very sad that there is no second witness to the NT, it surely would help with insight to some of the more complex writings.
I think one of the best that a person can do for oneself is: read the bible -> every page <-. Pick your favorite translation, preferably one that has no commentary, leave the volumes from church fathers on the shelf. If you read something confusing, set it aside, come back later and address it. Pray, ask G-d for help in understanding. Try to digest each chapter. Maybe you'll see things as always, or then again you could be blessed with a new insight. Perhaps you'll find yourself a better Way.

.02
Joe

dailogue is the best · 01-20-2008, 03:58 PM

salam dear brethren,
thanks for explanation....I m very gratefull for that...in the Holy Quran, God mentions the Holy Spirit in the following verse: "We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of Apostles, We gave Jesus the son of Mary clear (signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit...{2:87}

what is the "holy spirit" by which Jesus was srengthened? here it is an explanation by Yusuf Ali, a Muslim scholar:"Jesus is `no more than a man. It is`against reason and revelation to call him God or the son of God.He is called the son of Maryto emphasize this. H e had no known human father, as his birth was miraculous. but it isnt this which raises him to his high spiritual position as a prophet , but because God called him to his office. the praise is due to God, Who by His word gave him spiritual strength-" strengthened him with the holy spirit." the miracle which surround his story relate not only to his birth and his life and death, but also to his mother Mary and his precursor Yahya. These were the " Clear Signs" which he brought.It was those who misunderstood who obscured his clear Signs and surrounded him with mysteries of their invention"

So, Yusuf Ali agrees too that the Holy Spirit is God's spirit. My question is: is the Holy Spirit God in itself or just a part of God? can we consider it God in itself? that's my question.

God bless you all,