Jesus' use of spit to heal

[Basstian]

John 11:40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
John 11:41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
John 11:42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.
John 11:43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.


Jesus I believe knew what His power to heal was (NO LIMIT) But certain acts of faith had to be involved perhaps the spit the mud the dirt. Became something physical for those to believe in just enough to be healed. Like the woman that believed and touched His robe Jesus felt power go out of Him. But it was her faith that had healed her. Not her faith in the robe but her faith in the power of this crazy carpenter to heal.

Looking in His eyes seemed to be enough for some to believe. But to the blind who where lacking this sense it could have taken a little more a nudge of something to believe in. I dont recall Jesus rubbing mud on crippled legs.

I think it would be very sad to attribute this show of love to anything or anyone else other than our heavenly Fathers power and concern for our well being. Like Jesus said I thank thee Father that Thou hast heard me. Notice He said that before He raised Lazarus.

Jesus might have said "And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I spit" He could have just whispered in his ear or looked his direction or just thought I want to heal everybody in this village and it would have been done.

There is no womb of creation The Father like the Son used DIRT we are little mud pies.
And nobody for sure knows the type of cross Jesus was crucified on as several ranging from what we see t to an X to a T to even a single l could have been used each where being used at that time and it was more up to the executioner. This symbol was adopted later based on the crosses lining the roman highway when some general executed all involved in a rebellion and hung them as a warning to any other would be rebels. The fish symbol does date back to the very early church as a secret sign and is found carved in caves where Christians would hideout.
I think It would have been very offensive to associate Mary a devout Jewish woman with any symbol from egyptian religions.

[Child of a New Day]

Perhaps Jesus was raising energy to assist in the healing process by using spit. Perhaps the use of spit was symbolic or ritualistic, perhaps his spit had devine energy in it. Others use stones, herbs, water, meditation, prayer, soil from the earth (like mud) etc. There are many ways to recieve power from the devine, many ways to tap into and recieve Gods love or giftings or energy (this is my opinion).
I respect everyones beliefs here. I did not think Didymus or anyone else who posted on this thread means to insult another faith. Jesus was indeed amazing and people from all different faiths acknowledge that! This weak I will study Jesus' healings. Perhaps some one can give me the passages where his healings were performed.

[Bandit]

Matthew Chapter 9



9:1 And he entered into a ship, and passed over, and came into his own city.

9:2 And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee.

9:3 And, behold, certain of the scribes said within themselves, This [man] blasphemeth.

9:4 And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?

9:5 For whether is easier, to say, [Thy] sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and walk?

9:6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.

9:7 And he arose, and departed to his house.

9:8 But when the multitudes saw [it], they marvelled, and glorified God, which had given such power unto men.

9:9 And as Jesus passed forth from thence, he saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he saith unto him, Follow me. And he arose, and followed him.

9:10 And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.

9:11 And when the Pharisees saw [it], they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?

9:12 But when Jesus heard [that], he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.

9:13 But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

9:14 Then came to him the disciples of John, saying, Why do we and the Pharisees fast oft, but thy disciples fast not?

9:15 And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast.

9:16 No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse.

9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

9:18 While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.

9:19 And Jesus arose, and followed him, and [so did] his disciples.

9:20 And, behold, a woman, which was diseased with an issue of blood twelve years, came behind [him], and touched the hem of his garment:

9:21 For she said within herself, If I may but touch his garment, I shall be whole.

9:22 But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.

9:23 And when Jesus came into the ruler's house, and saw the minstrels and the people making a noise,

9:24 He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn.

9:25 But when the people were put forth, he went in, and took her by the hand, and the maid arose.

9:26 And the fame hereof went abroad into all that land.

9:27 And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him, crying, and saying, [Thou] Son of David, have mercy on us.

9:28 And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord.

9:29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.

9:30 And their eyes were opened; and Jesus straitly charged them, saying, See [that] no man know [it].

9:31 But they, when they were departed, spread abroad his fame in all that country.

9:32 As they went out, behold, they brought to him a dumb man possessed with a devil.

9:33 And when the devil was cast out, the dumb spake: and the multitudes marvelled, saying, It was never so seen in Israel.

9:34 But the Pharisees said, He casteth out devils through the prince of the devils.

9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

9:36 But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them, because they fainted, and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd.

9:37 Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly [is] plenteous, but the labourers [are] few; 9:38 Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.

Jesus did not need spit or stones or mud or aloe vera to raise energy. It was the power of the living God and a matter of faith.

[Child of a New Day]

Bandit Wrote "Jesus did not need spit or stones or mud or aloe vera to raise energy. It was the power of the living God and a matter of faith."

Well maybe someone should have told Jesus that, because obviously he did use spit and mud and maybe if he were around today some aloe vera or sillly puddy . I agree with you Bandit that he probably did not NEED those things. I do not think that they are essential for healing.
I think that tolerance of other faiths or religious practices is essential for our own spiritual growth.
The point is "how bizarre" Jesus use of spit and mud. He must have looked like a complete wacco to the people of his time. That did not stop people from worshipping him over 2000 yrs later right?

Can you imagine the reaction of some people if a man walked up to a blind man today on the street and did that?

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by Child of a New Day

Bandit Wrote "Jesus did not need spit or stones or mud or aloe vera to raise energy. It was the power of the living God and a matter of faith."

Well maybe someone should have told Jesus that, because obviously he did use spit and mud and maybe if he were around today some aloe vera or sillly puddy . I agree with you Bandit that he probably did not NEED those things. I do not think that they are essential for healing.
I think that tolerance of other faiths or religious practices is essential for our own spiritual growth.
The point is "how bizarre" Jesus use of spit and mud. He must have looked like a complete wacco to the people of his time. That did not stop people from worshipping him over 2000 yrs later right?

Can you imagine the reaction of some people if a man walked up to a blind man today on the street and did that?

Child of a New Day, Sometimes people need to SEE something in conjunction. All Jesus had to do is speak, "rise and be healed"
I think Q gave some very good examples of the the mud, the pool etc. as being in types and there were meanings in them , the mud and spit is not what healed these people.
Jesus did not walk around spitting on people constantly for them to recieve a miracle but i feel there was a symbol in it if he did.

You can spit in someones ear from now til the cows come home and spit is not going to make that inner ear hear.

these healings are not about SELF heal that we see on the book shelves today... or taking an oatmeal or mud bath. Neither is it about the power of positive thinking.
they were physical ailments and healings (some from birth) that no doctor or medicine could achieve.

it was during a prayer meeting that 10 of us did witness a deaf and dumb man begin to speak and to hear. I have also been healed of serious lesions on my foot that doctors could not get rid of that was through prayer of the elders and my faith in God.
An elder in our church was also healed 100% of cancer and he lived for 3 years after the doctors said he would be dead and they have no explanation, and he died a natural death.

I believe in medicine and vitamins, ointments and herbs for basic healthy living and that of surgery if needed, but what we see here with Jesus is something different. It was the power of the living God through faith.

In the book of Acts you will see it did not stop with Jesus and the power of God was given to the Apostles and the same things were performed by God through them.
However I am also leary and careful of the trends and movements today that profess these mass healings and miracles. I do not need a sign to know God is alive.

Some use a hankerchief and olive oil today but it is not the oil or the hankee.

The living God is still on the throne today and I will confess him before men. There will never be another man made like the Lord Jesus. He is the first and he is the last.

[didymus]

Well, that drew some controversy huh? I knew this would be a live one but I didn't expect to be called a blasphemer. That was a little harsh. But it's alright. It must have been my reference to pagan practices that brought that on.

I wasn't saying Jesus was a pagan, however, by today's standards if we could see some of the things Jesus did we might think that. I'm sure spittle and mud were only a couple of the array of techniques Jesus used. This is fine with me. Apparently doesn't sit well with others.

Like I said some controversy is good. I like these examples because they are very realistic. It's funny to me that verses out of the Bible will be jeered by christians as heretical and blasphemous if spoken by a person they don't see as "christian", when the examples sited are right in the book.

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by didymus

Well, that drew some controversy huh? I knew this would be a live one but I didn't expect to be called a blasphemer. That was a little harsh. But it's alright. It must have been my reference to pagan practices that brought that on.

I wasn't saying Jesus was a pagan, however, by today's standards if we could see some of the things Jesus did we might think that. I'm sure spittle and mud were only a couple of the array of techniques Jesus used. This is fine with me. Apparently doesn't sit well with others.

Like I said some controversy is good. I like these examples because they are very realistic. It's funny to me that verses out of the Bible will be jeered by christians as heretical and blasphemous if spoken by a person they don't see as "christian", when the examples sited are right in the book.

well i dont see anything funny about it at all. if you want to talk about jesus and pagan practices then yes I find it very offensive and blaspheming.
you always fail to bring ALL the scripture to light and would rather focus on spit and mud as a techinique for healing instead of the power of God along with all the other healings and miracles which did not have anything to do with SPIT.

it is not funny
but i am so glad that you think it is funny...so funny you can laugh yourself to sleep

[didymus]

Bandit, get a grip man. You do realize that I only pointed these verses out right? I have read on more than one occasion of healings that were performed in those days using spit and mud. I ddn't make this up. Why do you direct your anger towards me? Do you see that I didn't come up with the idea myself, I didn't invent some tale to make Jesus look bad. If the sources that I saw stating that these healing methods were used were wrong, then gee whiz, I'm sorry.

Are we supposed to be quiet and only say things about Jesus that won't arouse any type of thought or emotion contrary to what we would hear in a church? If we read something in plain english are we not allowed to ask a question about it? Are we not allowed to read other books about healing and when similarities are found, inquire about them?

That is not being honest with oneself. If you don't want to ask these questions then I can accept that but don't accuse me of being a blasphemer. I will continue to ask these questions and I believe that in God's eyes these are perfectly acceptable. I mean, let's get real here, do you think God will punish somebody for sincerely asking and inquiring about Jesus. I think God is bigger and more compassionate than that.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Bandit

well i dont see anything funny about it at all. if you want to talk about jesus and pagan practices then yes I find it very offensive and blaspheming.
you always fail to bring ALL the scripture to light and would rather focus on spit and mud as a techinique for healing instead of the power of God along with all the other healings and miracles which did not have anything to do with SPIT.

it is not funny
but i am so glad that you think it is funny...so funny you can laugh yourself to sleep

Jesus NEVER spit on anyone. I think we all agree here on this point. What Jesus did do, was use saliva while in the performance of some of His healing functions, as well as dirt, and other things from time to time. This all is spelled out succinctly in scripture, thus no way around it.

What are also facts from scripture is that Jesus did go to Egypt, spent time there as a child and then came back at the all clear sign from God the Father. Jesus did amaze and astound the learned scholars of the temple, at the tender age of 12, by His wisdom, and "knowledge", which is not discussed in detail, because the moral of that story was, obey and honor your parents, plus we have a hint as to precisely when Jesus "knew" his mission here on earth.

If there are raw nerves here, let's stop grinding on them.

No harm, no foul.

v/r

Q

[Bandit]

I did some brief research on the net and found that spit does have healing properties. Amazing that they knew this way back then. It appears that Jesus was not the only one to use this technique in those days.

I am not blind. I can read what people say.
Jesus' spit does NOT make blind eyes see

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Bandit

I am not blind. I can read what people say.
Jesus' spit does NOT make blind eyes see

...and a kind word turns away wrath...

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

...and a kind word turns away wrath...

yes Q. kind loving flowering words.

I will leave this topic and nothing more to add,
with these questions for consideration of all.

do we give the glory to God for the great things He has done or do we give it to spittle and mud?

was it the spit that was used as a healing agent?
or is it the power of God that heals all disease and sickness?

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Bandit

yes Q. kind loving flowering words.

I will leave this topic and nothing more to add,
with these questions for consideration of all.

do we give the glory to God for the great things He has done or do we give it to spittle and mud?

was it the spit that was used as a healing agent?
or is it the power of God that heals all disease and sickness?

We give glory to God for everything, including spittle and mud, because HE made them for us. Through the spit of our Savior, God healed people. Just like my saving peoples' lives in the job that I do...that is God using me as a tool to do His will. Call me the spit of God...I don't mind. It is that simple.

v/r

Q

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by didymus

Has anyone read the passages in Mark?

Mark 7: 33- 35; After he took him aside, away from the crowd, Jesus put his fingers into the man's ears. Then he spit and touched the man's tongue. He looked up to heaven and with a deep sigh said to him, "Ephphatha!" At this, the man's ears were opened, his tongue was loosened and he began to speak plainly.

Could kinda of see how that worked...

17th plods off to the doctors.. his throat was very "raw" and could not speak.......

Doc: Oh!! Hey teh 17th have a seat plz okthx$113$!! lolz!1/1!
17th: *hands him a note... 'sore throat, cannot speak.'
Doc: Yeah... I can fix that no probelms teh 17th!!
*Doc brings flem from the back of his throat and spits on 17th's face*
Doc: lol'z!!11//1! Your cured!

Now what is the next logical step in this drama piece? Me being fairly calm and having patience and alot of tolerance... In this occassion I would snap wouldn't it... In a fit of pure rage and scream at the blagard for spitting on me... Hence I can speak

[Dondi]

Of course, Jesus was limited in His healing because of various instances of unbelief. I think healing is a two way street, involving trust of the part of the one wanting the healing. It is interesting to note a particular instance when Jesus unintentionally healed someone:

"And a woman having an issue of blood twelve years, which had spent all her living upon physicians, neither could be healed of any,

Came behind him, and touched the border of his garment: and immediately her issue of blood stanched.
And Jesus said, Who touched me? When all denied, Peter and they that were with him said, Master, the multitude throng thee and press thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me?
And Jesus said, Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that virtue is gone out of me.
And when the woman saw that she was not hid, she came trembling, and falling down before him, she declared unto him before all the people for what cause she had touched him, and how she was healed immediately. And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace." - Luke 8:43-48

Evidently, it was this woman's faith alone that healed her, for Jesus did not have any knowledge of the woman except that He perceived that virtue went out of Him. Yet, the Holy Spirit within Jesus knew.