Jesus vs Everyone else

Terrence · 09-29-2006, 12:21 AM

Why is Jesus so set apart from all other relgious figures?

Faithfulservant · 09-29-2006, 12:51 AM

I know I know! He was the only sinless man. He was concieved of the Spirit.. He performed miracles... He resurrected the dead.. He died and resurrected Himself...

Oh yeah.. .Hes not just a religious figure.. He's God.

Terrence · 09-29-2006, 02:07 AM

No fair...You cheated. Have you been reading the Bible?

cyberpi · 09-29-2006, 02:24 AM

When Jesus was alive he said God was a spirit. (John) A spirit is not seen. Jesus was clothed in flesh and clearly seen. I'm sorry folks, but for the love of Jesus (pbuh) and of God (swt)... Jesus was NOT God.

Perhaps there is the answer... other religious figures don't have people claiming that they were God (swt).

kenod · 09-29-2006, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberpi

When Jesus was alive he said God was a spirit. (John) A spirit is not seen. Jesus was clothed in flesh and clearly seen. I'm sorry folks, but for the love of Jesus (pbuh) and of God (swt)... Jesus was NOT God.

Perhaps there is the answer... other religious figures don't have people claiming that they were God (swt).

The body of Jesus was not God - He was the human flesh in which God dwelt. ("God was manifested in the flesh" 1 Timothy 3:16).

The difference between my position and others who believe in the deity of Jesus Christ is that I believe "in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily" (Colossians 2:9), whereas many others believe He was the second person of the Trinity manifested in flesh.

Believe is the key word - no one can prove to you that Jesus is God - all we can do is discuss what the Bible says, and what we believe.

BlaznFattyz · 09-29-2006, 03:11 AM

jesus is alive, everyone else is dead.

Terrence · 09-29-2006, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberpi

When Jesus was alive he said God was a spirit. (John) A spirit is not seen. Jesus was clothed in flesh and clearly seen. I'm sorry folks, but for the love of Jesus (pbuh) and of God (swt)... Jesus was NOT God.

Perhaps there is the answer... other religious figures don't have people claiming that they were God (swt).

So from Jesus saying "God is a Spirit" and since a spirit isnt seen, but Jesus was seen, then by your calculations Jesus isnt God. Uh huh?

Dont mean to be scarcastic (maybe I do?), but what about the verses that talk about Jesus' preexistance as the invisble God who put on flesh and died on a cross? Learn these three words: "Context, context, Contexto (spanish for context). When reading the Bible, please be sure to keep things in context.

Terrence · 09-29-2006, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by kenod

The body of Jesus was not God - He was the human flesh in which God dwelt. ("God was manifested in the flesh" 1 Timothy 3:16).

The difference between my position and others who believe in the deity of Jesus Christ is that I believe "in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily" (Colossians 2:9), whereas many others believe He was the second person of the Trinity manifested in flesh.

Believe is the key word - no one can prove to you that Jesus is God - all we can do is discuss what the Bible says, and what we believe.

Hi Kenod, great to meet you!! You dont believe in the hyposstatic union, that Jesus is fully man and fully God? Are you a modalist?

YBIJ,

Terrence

BlaznFattyz · 09-29-2006, 03:32 AM

let us not forget the context of time in addition to context of scripture. the eternal jesus being the pre-existing word of god; the born, crucified, and raised messiah who was both fully man and fully god; and the glorified christ in both body and spirit, ascending back to the father in the heaven where he sits on the throne as god with glory that he had from the beginning.

Dor · 09-29-2006, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Terrence

No fair...You cheated. Have you been reading the Bible?

lmao. True it is just that easy but so many refuse to just open the book and read.

cyberpi · 09-29-2006, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Terrence

So from Jesus saying "God is a Spirit" and since a spirit isnt seen, but Jesus was seen, then by your calculations Jesus isnt God. Uh huh?

Dont mean to be scarcastic (maybe I do?), but what about the verses that talk about Jesus' preexistance as the invisble God who put on flesh and died on a cross? Learn these three words: "Context, context, Contexto (spanish for context). When reading the Bible, please be sure to keep things in context.

The context was: Jesus was in the flesh when he said God is a Spirit and needs to be worshipped in Truth and in Spirit. (John 4:24).

cyberpi · 09-29-2006, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Dor

lmao. True it is just that easy but so many refuse to just open the book and read.

True many refuse to just open the book and read, but so many wrongly think thats when they see what the book says. Something about where the seed fell...

shadowman · 09-29-2006, 04:05 AM

so how exaclty is thione different from other religious figures?

i could easily say

no fair, you all cheated.

have you NOT been reading all the other religious texts as well as theological history out there?

cyberpi · 09-29-2006, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by shadowman

have you NOT been reading all the other religious texts as well as theological history out there?

Guilty. What should I read next?

kenod · 09-29-2006, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Terrence

Hi Kenod, great to meet you!! You dont believe in the hyposstatic union, that Jesus is fully man and fully God? Are you a modalist?
YBIJ,
Terrence

Hi Terrence, I certainly do believe that Jesus is "fully man and fully God" ... in fact I believe Jesus is FULLY God. I do not see three distinct, co-equal Persons in the Scriptures.

Not sure about being a modalist ... though I am probably what some might call a Sabellian heretic