Jesus: What happens now?

[LeoSalinas22]

hi alex

No idea, not that hot on worshipping anything...

so wheen something good or bad happens in your life, you don't question the source that caused it to happen? or do you think it to be something random?

Do you worship love? Or do you admire it and praise it and try to nurture it? To do the same for nature, isn't that a good thing and helps to look after that which the Creator has created. (reduction of polution, reduction of destruction of forest, protection of indangered species, isn't this the law god gave to man from the start?)

i think we see worship differently. words do get in the way as path mentioned earlier. worship to me is giving credit where credit is due. i can't worship an emotion or a feeling. it isn't the source to me. its within me, but where did love come from? or hate? or sadness? but its true, we should nurture love when we experience it. we should take care of nature instead of raping it. in doing this, we love God. in doing this, He rewards us with more love. with more sustenance from the earth. but i can see how it is that you worship. it just dawned on me. sorry.

[mee]

Originally Posted by LeoSalinas22

mee, what makes you think that alex and path don't know this? they know that God created heaven and earth. you are not saying anything new to them. you are only judging them which pushes them further away from even listening to what you have to say. if you are going to judge, judge like God Himself, with love, wisdom, and patience. don't get me wrong, i agree with what the verses say, but your methods are too self rightious. i pray to God that you don't talk to people like this in real life. but we've talked about this before, but you still won't listen.

alex and path, i have to apologize on behalf of my friend mee here, he knows not what he does. self rightiousness can get even the best of us.

Why is it self righteous to bring what the bible says to the fore .

if i was self righteous i would be saying worship mee , but i like to point to what the bible teaches , and it says to worship the creator not the creation .


why is it self righteous to do that ?


its not my job to judge, that is the job of JEHOVAH and his son JESUS CHRIST . my job is to point the way to what the bible teaches and it is the only way to do it .



many people think many things about Jehovahs witnesses , but not always according to accurate knowledge


mee likes what the bible teaches, and that is Jehovah is the one who is worthy to recieve the honor and the glory .


if we worship the creation instead of the creator ,we could end up like this man in
Isa. 44:14-20. he was worshiping the creation and what good was it .

[mee]

Originally Posted by LeoSalinas22

alex and path, i have to apologize on behalf of my friend mee here, he knows not what he does. .

mee knows what he /she does , i like bringing the bible to the fore

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by mee

Why is it self righteous to bring what the bible says to the fore .

if i was self righteous i would be saying worship mee , but i like to point to what the bible teaches , and it says to worship the creator not the creation .


why is it self righteous to do that ?

Because if you are representing knowledge that is not pure then it is strictly selfish pride that enables the continuance rather than honoring God (existence).

its not my job to judge,

Then if you are not judging each line item of material within and it does not jive with what is internally true, then you remain less than equal to all mankind; especially if what you impose is incorrect and causes a loss to the common; then you live and die in that representation.

my job is to point the way to what the bible teaches and it is the only way to do it .

No your job is to remain true, first. Being mindful not to cause damage of other by your choice.

mee likes what the bible teaches, and that is Jehovah is the one who is worthy to recieve the honor and the glory .

No you like 1914 and what a man represented and changed of the literary works of 1500 years ago as it makes YOU happy.

if we worship the creation instead of the creator ,we could end up like this man in
Isa. 44:14-20. he was worshiping the creation and what good was it .

Just as you are worshipping the creation of the JW faith!

As to experience life as being created isolates the mind from being a part of existence (God).

[mee]

[quote=Bishadi;150146]

No your job is to remain true, first. Being mindful not to cause damage of other by your choice.
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very true , and no damage is caused when the bible is applied


2 timothy 3;16-17 and it is very good

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

That you are stuck in genesis to offer you understanding.

Did Jesus author genesis?

Was the question a child asked to comprehend; seems you did not comprehend what happened in the story of 'dying to forgive sinse'

but you say this
Why.... did he have a reason to show off and be a pride fool? Well then I ask did he not go to the court that sentenced him, if you have all the answers ...'to show us he is the toughest'....


Your own selfish pride, ignorance, retention of faith over remaining true to God..... the list is huge

and every item can be grounded in the 6 commandments as Jesus said......

and it is real easy to see 'choice' is what caused Adam leave the garden....

lol
apparently you don't know much about me at all.

[Alex P]

Originally Posted by LeoSalinas22

hi alex

so wheen something good or bad happens in your life, you don't question the source that caused it to happen? or do you think it to be something random?

Hola amigo...

What has that got to do with worshipping? lol...

To worship is to pay homage/respect... To a very obssesive degree... Questioning is in no way connected.....

Originally Posted by LeoSalinas22

but i can see how it is that you worship. it just dawned on me. sorry.

I don't worship anything as I have previously stated.

[LeoSalinas22]

que tal alex

What has that got to do with worshipping? lol...

To worship is to pay homage/respect... To a very obssesive degree... Questioning is in no way connected.....

never mind. i was trying to make a point but instead fell on my face. disregard, bro.

I don't worship anything as I have previously stated.

fair enough. we've had this discussion before if you recall. just thought something was different with you. thanks for your reply and God bless.

[Alex P]

Hombre, I know what you mean, and yes there are insane questions to ask... Which suggest and show something bigger... But, worship isn't my thing.

Please... Make your point.

[path_of_one]

Originally Posted by LeoSalinas22

hi path
i agree that its a means to an end. but the Source is better than the creation.

But if the Source is in the creation...

Pagan peoples don't worship the creation, per se. They worship Spirit in the creation. Some see that as one Spirit, some as duo (God/Goddess), some as three, some as more... but nobody thinks they are worshipping a lake or a tree. They are worshipping the God/dess in the lake or tree. So it is a means back to God.

I don't think my way is better than or worse than another's-- that's a judgement I leave up to God, if God cares to make it.

once again, i agree that its a means to an end, but if you help say a man from commiting suicide by means of drowning in front of his children, don't do it for the earth or the sun or trees, do it for the glory of God, foremost and second, do it because its better to love each other.

"Whatever you do for the least of these, you do unto me."

I believe whatever we do to heal, to love, to give life and light to... we do for God whether our intent is to give it to God directly or to any being in creation. God feels love when we love creation, and when we heal creation, we aid God in healing creation.

I do lots of things for the earth and trees and animals and humankind, and every one of those things, I believe, is a gift I am giving to God, just as my capacity to see and meet those needs is a gift from God to me... allowing me to be a vessel of the Source. It is a movement toward unity. The more unified I am with all creation and with God (the two go hand in hand), the more I sense other beings' needs as my own, and can meet them. To me, it's all one unified system. It isn't as though the Source/God is off to the side observing. There is no distinction.

If I saved a man from suicide, it would be for the life and spirit that is within that man, and the heart of that spirit is God.

see this is the thought that i am trying to convey, we ask God for the things we want or need. not from His creation. thanks for your reply and God bless.

When I ask for things, I ask the most appropriate being out there. If I need something from my husband, I ask my husband, not God. If I need wood from a tree, I ask the tree's permission- the wood belongs first the tree. Just as I would hope, if someone needed something from my house, they would ask my permission, not simply ask God and then take it. When I eat my food, I thank the beings that gave their lives to make it. When I am out in nature and feel its beauty, I thank the Earth for her radiance. When a friend helps me with a task, I thank my friend.

When I contemplate my own existence, all existences... when I think of Love itself, and Light... when I need spiritual guidance and the deep wells of peace that come from the Source... then I ask God.

I do more worshipping of and meditating on the Source, the one I call the Divine One, than asking for things. I thank the Source in its conceptual essence, but I also thank the Source in its physical manifestation (as all creation). I am grateful that the Divine created everything around me, all these amazing beings that can show love, can help me, that I can help, that we can be in relationship with. But I am grateful to each of those beings as well for sharing what they do with me.

[Bishadi]

What's the source?

And that 'creation' word: perhaps developing an alergy; it causes a twitch.

Almost like 'gonapsyphilherpelaids' ..... the words created to describe a really strange STD.

Is existence 'creating' over time (evolutionary) or is the source of magic something I may enjoy observing?

[LeoSalinas22]

Originally Posted by Alex P

Hombre, I know what you mean, and yes there are insane questions to ask... Which suggest and show something bigger... But, worship isn't my thing.

Please... Make your point.

it won't make sense to you because you don't worship. we are on different planes of existence. its ok. really. thanks though.

[Alex P]

Don;t even want to try? If not for me, for others? That's cool though.

[LeoSalinas22]

hello path, thanks for replying... we are really off the topic, but i don't care, we are talking about God. that's what counts.

But if the Source is in the creation...

ok. this is where we differ greatly. i take it you don't stare at the starry heavens and wonder where God is at. i mean, really at. His throne and His heavenly host. the earth is His footstool if you haven't read that already. He isn't dwelling with us yet. basically, He isn't here because if He was here, then it would be something like the way He descended on Mt. Sinai. but instead He gives us something we can handle, like His Spirit. His breath of life. what i am trying to say is that, to me, it is only His Spirit that is in His creation and not Him, if that makes sense. i don't believe in worshipping His Spirit, because even that is something that comes from Him. too many times have i read in the book that He is like a Husband asking for His unfaithful wife to come back to Him. if He sees us as like a wife, that means He sees us as being very very close and dear to Him. like a son or daughter. just close, really. either way, its the way i see it. but i can see your point of view.

Pagan peoples don't worship the creation, per se. They worship Spirit in the creation. Some see that as one Spirit, some as duo (God/Goddess), some as three, some as more... but nobody thinks they are worshipping a lake or a tree. They are worshipping the God/dess in the lake or tree. So it is a means back to God.

i see God as a jealous Husband. i can't risk worshipping something He didn't mean for it to be worshipped. that is why we have Him. once again, i can see your point, but i can't risk angering Him again.

I don't think my way is better than or worse than another's-- that's a judgement I leave up to God, if God cares to make it.

i am glad you are humble in this manner.

When I ask for things, I ask the most appropriate being out there. If I need something from my husband, I ask my husband, not God. If I need wood from a tree, I ask the tree's permission- the wood belongs first the tree. Just as I would hope, if someone needed something from my house, they would ask my permission, not simply ask God and then take it. When I eat my food, I thank the beings that gave their lives to make it. When I am out in nature and feel its beauty, I thank the Earth for her radiance. When a friend helps me with a task, I thank my friend.

When I contemplate my own existence, all existences... when I think of Love itself, and Light... when I need spiritual guidance and the deep wells of peace that come from the Source... then I ask God.

this is another area where we differ greatly. my wife, my kids, the trees, food, my job, everything has been given to me. not to abuse it, but has been given into my hands to nurture and tend to. it is there, not to ask permission, but to enjoy, because it is ours. i guess you can say that God has really really spoiled man. He really has given all of us, even the wicked, everything that is in our hearts. as i mentioned earlier, He is like a Husband to us and we are the nagging wife, and what does the Husband do eventually when the wife nags Him, He gives and gives freely, but some of us have abused that, and that is when God will take back at times, until we learn to glorify and give praise to Him. what i am trying to say is that, everything on this earth, has its purpose. man, to be fruitful, and multiply. cows for food. trees for fruit. the sun for warming. the moon, well i still can't think about what the moon is for other than for the tides on the beaches, but the moon is beautiful and silent and graceful. sometimes i think God just put it there for us to admire and look at. everything has its purpose. my wife, needs not ask me for something she needs for herself or something that needs to be done around the house. my purpose is to be the man because that is what men are for, to be there for the woman. at least in my viewpoint.

I do more worshipping of and meditating on the Source, the one I call the Divine One, than asking for things. I thank the Source in its conceptual essence, but I also thank the Source in its physical manifestation (as all creation). I am grateful that the Divine created everything around me, all these amazing beings that can show love, can help me, that I can help, that we can be in relationship with. But I am grateful to each of those beings as well for sharing what they do with me.

God's creation is amazing isn't it? i look at myself and i just shouldn't exist. but i do for some reason. i can move, talk, love, laugh, curse, be sad, hate. i can do all these things and its amazing. i look at the earth and see very much how it represents a woman with a baby. the earth is like a mother nurturing a bunch of crybabies asking for food. the sun is like the glory of God. we just can't face Him. He humbles us at even the sight of Him. the moon though reminds me so much about a woman. pale, silent, graceful, round. weird. but beautiful. trees as i mentioned on another thread, are even stranger still. on windy days they seem like they are praising God constantly. and when no wind is around, they are eerily silent. Jesus once mentioned that the Spirit is like the wind. the breath of life. it is the same with us. since we have the breath of life now, we can move, feel, etc .but no breath, no Spirit, we are silent, no movement. dead in the heart of the earth. the trees still give fruit. they all have different scents and colors. flower, animals. all give a "shade" of what He is. a small fraction of His Characteristics. point being, it is all there for us to enjoy. at least that is the way i see it. sorry for rambling, but i can go on and on about God Himself, i just don't have anyone to go on and on about with Him. we truly are scattered to the four corners of the earth. thanks for reading a post from a deranged individual and God be with you.

[LeoSalinas22]

alex, LOL!

Don;t even want to try? If not for me, for others? That's cool though.

alright, man. so answer me this. when something good happens to you, you don't question why it happened?