Jesus: What happens now?

[Alex P]

Originally Posted by LeoSalinas22

alex, LOL!

alright, man. so answer me this. when something good happens to you, you don't question why it happened?

I think we tend to only question when bad things happen to us... lol.

But for the exercise let's say I say yes (come on holmes this may help and teach peeps)

[LeoSalinas22]

bishadi

What's the source?

God. is there another source, bro?

And that 'creation' word: perhaps developing an alergy; it causes a twitch.

what, then, would you call what God has made on a universal level?

Almost like 'gonapsyphilherpelaids' ..... the words created to describe a really strange STD.

i'm not even gonna google to see what this means because your intentions were not to heal the broken hearted.

i really hope that when a child asks you a question using "lesser" words you don't come up with witty remark such as this. now i know you are arrogant. i thought you were humble.

[LeoSalinas22]

alex

I think we tend to only question when bad things happen to us... lol.

thats a generalization and you know it. not everybody is like this.

But for the exercise let's say I say yes (come on holmes this may help and teach peeps)

i am going to use an example. the life you live right now. it is priviladged say compared to someone who is suffering from lack of food or water in a third world country. don't you question that? don't you wonder why it is that you are here and they are there? that is by what i mean if you question. i sure as heck question this all the time. i drive myself nuts sometimes about this. it just isn't fair from where i stand.

[Alex P]

Originally Posted by LeoSalinas22

alex
thats a generalization and you know it. not everybody is like this.

i am going to use an example. the life you live right now. it is priviladged say compared to someone who is suffering from lack of food or water in a third world country. don't you question that? don't you wonder why it is that you are here and they are there? that is by what i mean if you question. i sure as heck question this all the time. i drive myself nuts sometimes about this. it just isn't fair from where i stand.

Ah now that is a different kettle of haddocks... Yes, oh yes I question the suffering of others every second of my existance, that is what has led me to do something I am about to do, and it may seem crazy to many but I have been in a depressed state recently haven't mentioned it to many but I have, and I have found something that will make me genuinely happy and higher than any drug can ever get me...

Instead of questioning I am going to act.

And today on my way home I saw many signs of this I thought I had it real bad, but I passed a man in a wheel chair, two animals dead by the side of roads and a lady who had a disfugred left arm and hand.... That is indeed something to be thankful for that I am not in their situation, but to stop there... Isn;t enough, I have to help these people...

I see where you are coming from now brah, and you give worship for being in a better situation is what you're saying? Understood.

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by LeoSalinas22

bishadi
God. is there another source, bro?

what, then, would you call what God has made on a universal level?

That is a touchy subject but let's try:

the big word was to share a 'creation'. Mankind within God, creates. (all words)

That term creation is misused in the idea of 'God' sitting on a thrown in some heaven and 'created' a universe that we live in.

Look up the term panentheism. The point is God is not without us, as we are not without him; we are One. That is something of an area that often confuses.

Such that as we experience, God does. as we define, God defines. As a life is born; another of God's children is born. The sentience of experiencing life in time; is that consciousness of God; the creator.

There is no isolated being on a thrown turning screws.

now i know you are arrogant. i thought you were humble.

not one to care much for being accepted. Helps with autonomy.

As often many are a little touchier than another, but the real Ones see what is.

From day one; to fight for the truth has been the mountain to climb. So a little dirt will be present.

In the eyes of balance; if a man has spent a huge amount of time, energy and care simply to give and of no needs of the self; then imagine what bad he is also capable of.

That scale will always have 2 sides; the weight and counter weight.

[LeoSalinas22]

alex:

Instead of questioning I am going to act.

if you don't mind, would you tell me how you are going to act?

And today on my way home I saw many signs of this I thought I had it real bad, but I passed a man in a wheel chair, two animals dead by the side of roads and a lady who had a disfugred left arm and hand.... That is indeed something to be thankful for that I am not in their situation, but to stop there... Isn;t enough, I have to help these people...

the people you saw, i would imagine that they are disappointed at this life. their hearts are broken. my eyes water when i see this at times. not because of their circumstances, but because i am utterly weak and powerless to do anything to help them. i can talk to them, sure, but i am just a human being like they are. or maybe i am not supposed to interfere. i don't know. i get confused at situations like that. hard to tell what i am supposed to do without seeming overrighteous. its frustrating at times.

I see where you are coming from now brah, and you give worship for being in a better situation is what you're saying?

so i worship God because it is the only outlet i have. if it goes inwards, then i feel like i am worshipping the self, like its my hand that saves me. bullsh**. my hand does nothing. i am just a leaf in the wind.

[Alex P]

Originally Posted by LeoSalinas22

alex:
if you don't mind, would you tell me how you are going to act?

the people you saw, i would imagine that they are disappointed at this life. their hearts are broken. my eyes water when i see this at times. not because of their circumstances, but because i am utterly weak and powerless to do anything to help them. i can talk to them, sure, but i am just a human being like they are. or maybe i am not supposed to interfere. i don't know. i get confused at situations like that. hard to tell what i am supposed to do without seeming overrighteous. its frustrating at times.

so i worship God because it is the only outlet i have. if it goes inwards, then i feel like i am worshipping the self, like its my hand that saves me. bullsh**. my hand does nothing. i am just a leaf in the wind.

Now it isn't a christian way in a matter of speaking... I am enlisting to the Voulnteer ministers... (like a Scientology peace corp.)

I feel as sometimes all we need to do is smile and talk to them, help can come in many forms brudda. I feel as if some of us think we need some sort of miracle to help people, and we are far too small to do such an act, but brother miracles are all shapes and sizes a simple smile can do it sometimes... a simple timing of being in the right place at the right time can be the miracle, I do believe things happen for a reason I do beliee there is a Creator and a bigger picture, and you call it god that is good, you pray to your god for the ability to help others, you think he will magic this power onto you? Or perhaps he will put you in a situation where you have the chance to make the change? Pray for strength and faith and courage name a trait a characteritic any do you believe if you pray for it he will bestow it upon you? Or give you the chance the opportunity to learn it and excell within it?

I have also been reading.. well I tell a lie I am too lazy to read, I have been listening to an audio book called the way to happiness... and it is full of common sense really, but most people seem to forget these simple ways... I am going to post them in EVERY door in my city... It is an oath I made to myself and I feel lighter and higher, and I feel like I have purpose... And purpose is gooooood.

It is our works that change the world, your hands can be the will of your god... Think of yourself more of the acorn of the tree.... You are falling in the wind yes, but you will land and grow and be strong and from you more acorns shall come and they will grow and be strong and fruitful you are not a leaf you are a seed....

You, are a magnificant being, if you have a belife in a Creator (god) then he loves you, he made you, he made us all, so use what has been given to you to help others..... For that is surley righteous, and that surley is the will of your god, and that surley shall be favoured. Seriously Leo, you are not as helpless, weak, powerless as you may believe you are(you're a freaking design from a master designer....), when you realise your truth and purpose... (which differs man to man to man...) you can begin to flourish. your belife of negative and sadness will turn and you will believe in the positive... Oh don;t ask me what that is, only you know, and only you can find it.

I say sure feel for others, cry if you must, I do occasionally, but realise you can help them.

[path_of_one]

Originally Posted by LeoSalinas22

hello path, thanks for replying... we are really off the topic, but i don't care, we are talking about God. that's what counts.

Sorry. But I agree. These topics, like any conversation, tend to go into tangents... but talking about the same overall subject.

ok. this is where we differ greatly. i take it you don't stare at the starry heavens and wonder where God is at. i mean, really at. His throne and His heavenly host. the earth is His footstool if you haven't read that already. He isn't dwelling with us yet.

No, I don't really wonder where God is at. I take it you have a more literalist reading of scripture. I start from my spiritual experience, as that started before I could read, and then I try to understand scripture in two ways- with reference to my own spiritual experience and with reference to the original language, culture, time period, etc. in which it was written. That said, I've found a lot of what is assumed literal in the Bible doesn't mesh well with either my experience of God or my study of context.

However, I don't think it really matters. What matters is the sincere seeking, in my opinion. I don't think God cares if I get the "right" answer. I don't even think there is a right answer, at least not one that humans can understand. I think God cares about my intent- if my heart longs after Him/Her/It. If I love God and neighbor with all my heart and soul, as deeply as I love myself.

it is only His Spirit that is in His creation and not Him, if that makes sense. i don't believe in worshipping His Spirit, because even that is something that comes from Him.

I guess I don't see God in this way. I see God emanating forth manifestations, all of which have in them Spirit. God remains undiminished, but that does not make the Spirit any less God. At least, that's how I think about it. Of course, I don't really think my ideas (or anyone's at any time) are accurate reflections of what God is really like. I think we can only guess. What I think we can definitively have is a relationship with God, a personal experience of God. I can never really know what any being on earth is like- even those I am incredibly close to, like my husband- remain somewhat of a mystery. How much more so does God? But yet, I am in love with my husband, we share a life, a home, a constant and daily interaction. And so too with God.

too many times have i read in the book that He is like a Husband asking for His unfaithful wife to come back to Him.

I don't buy that God is jealous. I don't mind saying outright that it is not something I agree with. I do not believe scriptural text of any sort is infallible; I think it chronicles a people's experience of God and describes it the best they can at the time (and that is being relatively generous from a scholarly point of view, since in reality it also appears that religions have long been used for some not-so-great political and selfish ends).

The Divine I have, on many occasions, experienced has never felt remotely human. Manifestations like Jesus have, and show me a bridge between human and divine. But the occasions where I have felt to be directly in the presence of God Itself, and completely out of my own body, were strange experiences indeed. I don't think God feels negative emotions like jealousy. Our own feelings of things like jealousy are based in fear- fear of losing that which is precious to us. I don't think God fears anything, because I think God is all-powerful. So it just makes no sense to me, either from a spiritual or logical line of thinking.

i can't risk worshipping something He didn't mean for it to be worshipped. that is why we have Him. once again, i can see your point, but i can't risk angering Him again.

Jealousy, anger, fear... Doesn't that make God sound like a petty tyrant? I don't mean that in a debating way, I'm just saying to me, this always makes God seem too human, too vulnerable.

How did God feel about most of the people in human history, who were in shamanic Pagan religions, long before monotheism began? Most of human history, we were hunter-gatherers with animistic systems of belief (everything alive with spirits). So it just doesn't make sense to me why God would be angry about it. It is what it is.

On a personal level, I just don't get it either. I've never felt God was angry with me for seeking after God. When I thank the Earth, I don't stop receiving comfort or peace or joy from God. God has never abandoned me, and have faith that S/He never will. Christ has never abandoned me, and I have faith He will ever be at my side. I have felt God come to me when I doubt most, when I reach most into other ways of thinking. I know that God knows I am sincere, and that is what is asked of me.

i am glad you are humble in this manner.

Any other way of thinking makes no sense to me, to be honest.

my wife, my kids, the trees, food, my job, everything has been given to me. not to abuse it, but has been given into my hands to nurture and tend to. it is there, not to ask permission, but to enjoy, because it is ours.

Yes, we differ greatly in this regard. I think nothing has been given to me. I think it is all temporary, and I am grateful for all that life brings, as it is all a way for me to grow spiritually and to express love, that is to say, to learn more of how I can express God through me. I do believe I am to nurture and heal every being, including myself, but I see this as different from everything being mine. I see everything, including myself, as God's alone. Secondly, as everything as belonging to itself, with its own purpose and rights. So I am thankful to both God and to each individual being for their presence and their gift. And I am respectful to both. I appreciate having others ask my permission to take things from me, even those closest to me. It makes me feel loved and appreciated when my husband asks me for something, rather than taking or demanding it. By extension, I try to give this to all beings and to be aware of each of their gifts and (sometimes) sacrifices to aid my life.

i guess you can say that God has really really spoiled man. He really has given all of us, even the wicked, everything that is in our hearts.

I think God spoils no one, but gives to all beings freely. Humans exist to fill a certain purpose in service to each other and to other beings- to the earth itself, and other beings likewise. We each have our purpose, but we all have purposes. Then, it is up to us how we use this gift- to grow in love, which is ultimately what benefits ourselves as well as others and God- or to grow in selfishness and pride, which serves no one, including ourselves (in the long run).

as i mentioned earlier, He is like a Husband to us and we are the nagging wife, and what does the Husband do eventually when the wife nags Him, He gives and gives freely, but some of us have abused that, and that is when God will take back at times, until we learn to glorify and give praise to Him.

Well, my husband doesn't respond to nagging that way, thank God. How would I ever learn to be a better wife???

As for God, I don't think that God operates that way. Look at some of the saints and martyrs. Intensely close to God, they gave everything, even their lives, for their love of Him/Her. Look at Mother Theresa, who lived in poverty with the poorest of the poor. I look at my own mother, who was and is incredibly loving and deeply committed to God, and yet we lived in poverty for years. God didn't do this to us. People create poverty. Fortunately, God's grace and love find people in all circumstances. But to blame bad things happening on God taking stuff away- I think this is placing the blame in the wrong location. Bad things happen for two reasons: 1) natural causes, and these aren't bad except by our own misperception and 2) people-induced causes, and these we could change but haven't yet.

what i am trying to say is that, everything on this earth, has its purpose.

Indeed. But how can we know another being's purpose? And what is the value of defining it? I guess I'm kind of the "keep it simple school"- I just focus on my purpose, and I know that to be loving others, healing others, and being joyful in my life. I believe that by loving all beings and finding joy in life, I am helping others fulfill their purposes, whatever they may be.

God's creation is amazing isn't it? i look at myself and i just shouldn't exist. but i do for some reason. i can move, talk, love, laugh, curse, be sad, hate. i can do all these things and its amazing.

Yes- this is about how I feel about it. I look at myself each day and think "Wow! I'm alive and this is certainly amazing!" The rest is like a huge bonus. Sometimes it is hard to remember that feeling when I get caught up in what we're told to expect out of life, but as Eckhart Tolle said recently, and I do love this particular quote, maybe we should rather think "What can I do for life?"

i look at the earth and see very much how it represents a woman with a baby.

That is how I see her. I see the Earth- Gaia, the spirit of the Earth- as a mother. Well, there is more to it than that, but I won't go *that* off topic.

trees as i mentioned on another thread, are even stranger still. on windy days they seem like they are praising God constantly. and when no wind is around, they are eerily silent.

Oh, trees. I could go on and on, but I won't. Too off-topic again. But trees, of all things, really speak of God to me, and life and death, and acceptance, and silence, and power. Trees are never really silent for me, but when in the wind... There is nothing better on earth to me than the feeling of strong wind in a forest. Unless there is also rain and thunder...

i can go on and on about God Himself, i just don't have anyone to go on and on about with Him. we truly are scattered to the four corners of the earth. thanks for reading a post from a deranged individual and God be with you.

Oh, me too, Leo. That's why we're here on CR- us odd people who like to go on and on about God! I hardly think you're deranged; what is considered "normal" by US standards is caring more about sports and what celebrities wear than about love and forgiveness and... God. I say, I'm happy to be an odd one. LOL

Blessings to you,
Kim/Path

[mee]

Jesus.. what happens now ?

just keep on doing what i commanded you to do matthew 28;19-20


ok


mee likes to listen to Jesus , its the only way to salvation




This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. JOHN 17;3

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by mee

Jesus.. what happens now ?

just keep on doing what i commanded you to do matthew 28;19-20


ok


mee likes to listen to Jesus , its the only way to salvation

OK, then listen

"18"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone. 19You know the commandments: 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not defraud, honor your father and mother.'

Did you read or comprehend or are you going to listen to John?

This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. JOHN 17;3

The thread is about how preaching and teachers of false doctrine suggest that;

Jesus died for our sins! but he didn't stay dead, What happens Now?

[Alex P]

Sorry, wait a moment, Bishadi... Aren't you a Christian?

Just with the "Don't listen to John." comment, would lead me to think there could be conflicting answers to question? (harmony?)

[mee]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Jesus died for our sins! but he didn't stay dead, What happens Now?

Jesus is a reigning king in Gods heavenly kingdom Daniel 7;13-14 Daniel 2;44


and he is directing a great global preaching work matthew 24;14

and those who respond to that kingdom GOODNEWS are having great blessing right now, and also they will have even better blessings in the future . thats because they will get through the GREAT TRIBULATION

REVELATION 7;14

YES ITS ALL HAPPENING IN THE TIME OF THE END would you like to join the great crowd who are waving their symbolic palm branches to welcome Gods reigning king ?ITS THE ONLY WAY TO SALVATION



And its goodnews

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by Alex P

Sorry, wait a moment, Bishadi... Aren't you a Christian?

No religion; truth is absolute!

Just with the "Don't listen to John." comment, would lead me to think there could be conflicting answers to question? (harmony?)

Not my conflict. The Mee me is like many of faith; less than equal with integrity.

Each are capable but often the complacent retain little responsibility for what they represent.

But I learn many many things even in this 'car wreck'

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by mee

Jesus is a reigning king in Gods heavenly kingdom Daniel 7;13-14 Daniel 2;44

another fib; JC is no where in all of the book of Daniel.

and those who respond to that kingdom GOODNEWS are having great blessing right now, and also they will have even better blessings in the future . thats because they will get through the GREAT TRIBULATION

REVELATION 7;14

Has the tribulation occurred?

Or better still is the JC matt is writting about the same JC you think is in Daniel, revelations and returned in the 1914 JW witnessing program but yet the globe has seen no Peace?

Like the little kid said: If Jesus died for our sins; What happens now?

He didn't stay dead.

[LeoSalinas22]

alex,

Now it isn't a christian way in a matter of speaking... I am enlisting to the Voulnteer ministers... (like a Scientology peace corp.)

I feel as sometimes all we need to do is smile and talk to them, help can come in many forms brudda. I feel as if some of us think we need some sort of miracle to help people, and we are far too small to do such an act, but brother miracles are all shapes and sizes a simple smile can do it sometimes... a simple timing of being in the right place at the right time can be the miracle, I do believe things happen for a reason I do beliee there is a Creator and a bigger picture, and you call it god that is good, you pray to your god for the ability to help others, you think he will magic this power onto you? Or perhaps he will put you in a situation where you have the chance to make the change? Pray for strength and faith and courage name a trait a characteritic any do you believe if you pray for it he will bestow it upon you? Or give you the chance the opportunity to learn it and excell within it?

you know i have always wanted to do some volunteer work. like peace corp. or something like that. but my family comes into the picture. i don't know what is more righteous, taking care of my family or strangers. only time will tell which is so.

i have been in situations where it is way too impossible to just think of as a coincidence. situations where you were at the right time at the right place. things that happen where, to me, i was needed and i was there to prevent something. it is these moments that make me feel like i matter. like there is a difference being made. but it is such a slow process and i tend to lose patience too quickly.

as for this portion...

It is our works that change the world, your hands can be the will of your god... Think of yourself more of the acorn of the tree.... You are falling in the wind yes, but you will land and grow and be strong and from you more acorns shall come and they will grow and be strong and fruitful you are not a leaf you are a seed....

You, are a magnificant being, if you have a belife in a Creator (god) then he loves you, he made you, he made us all, so use what has been given to you to help others..... For that is surley righteous, and that surley is the will of your god, and that surley shall be favoured. Seriously Leo, you are not as helpless, weak, powerless as you may believe you are(you're a freaking design from a master designer....), when you realise your truth and purpose... (which differs man to man to man...) you can begin to flourish. your belife of negative and sadness will turn and you will believe in the positive... Oh don;t ask me what that is, only you know, and only you can find it.

I say sure feel for others, cry if you must, I do occasionally, but realise you can help them.

thank you very much for you words, bro. your intentions will be remembered. believe it or not, i actually see you as a friend ever since we started picking on mee back when i barely started posting here. so i will remember you. hope you know that. thanks and God bless you.