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[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

I pray we don't invade Iran, purely for the people that would die but I agree I think it is definately on the agenda and the Iranian government don't look like backing down any time soon. I see so many comments by Muslims about if Iran was invaded the whole Muslim world would rise up and fight - yadda, yadda, yadda. It will not happen, most of the ME see's Iran's government as the loonies they are and Saudi wouldn't risk it's oil revenues.

I do have a problem though with nuclear armed countries insisting they are the only ones allowed them. I say ban nukes, outright, lets get rid of them all.



The UK isnot nearly as bad but with most issues we are following the US. Recently there was an issue about labels on alcohol and the drinks industry managed to assert enough political pressure (because the tax collected on drink is mindboggling) that the labels were hardly changed at all. So we seem to be blindly following you on that issue too and I think before long we will have lobby groups as strong as those in the US - hey thanks guys



I wear hijab but would not wear it to the US. When I came back to the UK my husband was very worried about me wearing it and being abused in the street so the Imam told me to remove it when I travel. It is designed for my protection, not to invite abuse and the feeling I get is that as a Muslim I would be less than welcome in some areas of the US.

I pray we don't invade Iran. And No one (not even the president), wants to go there. But the government of Iran has aspirations that mean to upset the world. A muslim in every house, or a dead house. I'm sorry, I will not accept Muslim rule, ever. Neither will most of my constituents.

For a peaceful religion, it seems to bring out the anger in the rest of us "infidels"...how strange. Or maybe it's the lunatics that claim to be the leaders that do it. In any event, innocent people would suffer.

Nice thing about nukes (if there is any), is that the owner of them, does have the "final" say, no matter how "powerful" the opponent considers themself...

As far as wearing a hijab in the US. They are as common as a pair of jeans, and no one looks twice at the wearer.

As far as alcohol...beat the tax...make your own (lol)

v/r

Q

[wil]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

But the government of Iran has aspirations that mean to upset the world.

Neither will most of my constituents.

For a peaceful religion, it seems to bring out the anger in the rest of us "infidels"...how strange.

In reverse order...

For a peaceful religion Christianity seems to be able to bring out the anger in Muslims...Osama was our buddy remember.

You have constituents?

The president of Iran is a figurehead. For some reason our US Gov't and the US media decided to heighten his words and make them of value and import where there was none before....we could have ignored him and he would still be over there talking away without a worldwide audience. Me wonders why we chose to magnify his rhetoric so.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by wil

In reverse order...

For a peaceful religion Christianity seems to be able to bring out the anger in Muslims...Osama was our buddy remember.

You have constituents?

The president of Iran is a figurehead. For some reason our US Gov't and the US media decided to heighten his words and make them of value and import where there was none before....we could have ignored him and he would still be over there talking away without a worldwide audience. Me wonders why we chose to magnify his rhetoric so.

Of course it does (to the extremists who call themselves the true followers, while they violate every tennant the Qu'ran says about killing and war and conquest). Osama was never our "buddy".

I never mentioned the president of Iran, I said the government of Iran. Case in point...600 Iranian Guards captured in Iraq (and climbing). They didn't go on their own...A Syrian weapons grade Plutonium processing plant with a great deal of parts manufactured in Iran...(these are a few of my favorite things, the media conveniently forgets to report to us on)...oh and did you hear the latest about the tolerance of Iran towards other faiths? 108 Suffis wounded and imprisoned by Iranian Guards, because of a fight started by, Shiite clerics. (Suffis never resort to violence, they're esoteric and mystical and peaceful by nature, and they are Shiites to boot!)


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Q

[madeinrussia89]

I agree MW, let's get rid of nukes altogether. It's funny that the US tells everyone they can't have them and then they scare the population that they are going to get nuked by terrorists (which isn't fully outside the realm of possibility) even though we're the only country that's ever used it on people, TWICE.

Maybe on the east coast hijab is common (no idea), but not on the west coast unless you're in tehrangeles, ahaha. In other places though, people typically won't be as tolerant. Most people won't give you trouble, but there are always a group of idiots somewhere just waiting for something and our news constantly pumping " BAD MUSLIM BAD ISLAM BAD BAD BAD EVIL" doesn't help it. I wish it wasn't like that.

It seems to be people abusing Islam and doing wrong actions that the religion doesn't permit in the first place (like suicide bombing) that causes *most* of the violence. Isn't the greatest jihad the inner jihad anyway?

As far as Mahmoud goes, he can spout off all he wants because it's the ayatollah that has real authority.

I wouldn't go so far as to say no one wants to invade Iran, why else would they be shoving it down our throats in the media, " IRAN IRAN bomb nuke IRAN death destruction IRAN MAHMOUD death dealer '.

[Muslimwoman]

[quote=Quahom1;128617]I pray we don't invade Iran. And No one (not even the president), wants to go there.

Hmmm, forgive me Q if I don't share your faith in your President. This man went to war with Iraq and then as an afterthought asked what Shia and Sunni meant. So my experience is he acts first, thinks much later.

Originally Posted by Quahom1

But the government of Iran has aspirations that mean to upset the world. A muslim in every house, or a dead house. I'm sorry, I will not accept Muslim rule, ever. Neither will most of my constituents.

Iran are not capable of world domination, even with nukes and most of the rest of the Muslim countries shake their heads and make that crazy sign with their hand next to their head. The only real threat from Iran having nukes is to Israel and let's be honest Iran are not short of a weapon or two so why are they not at war with Israel now?

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Or maybe it's the lunatics that claim to be the leaders that do it. In any event, innocent people would suffer.

Here is my take on this. Yes Irans government are a few sticks short of a bundle. They go out and make hate speaches and thousands wave their flags and shout nonsense. Our countries look on and assume the whole country is nuts and agrees with the government. Now, I can watch Bush talking absolute rubbish and thousands of people wave their flags and shout nonsense - so should I assume he has the support of the entire nation? Or should I assume that many are at home watching tv, as they are in Iran?

There seems to be this strange attitude that every Muslim is a political activist. Muslim countries are just like most others, a majority of people really can't be bothered with politics. The only difference in Muslim countries is the nutters don't have a problem with using violence.

The point that is often missed is that most Muslim countries hate each other just as much as they hate the west but when Ms Rice starts her barking mad waffle about 'the new map of the Middle East' guess what happens? Yep all the Muslim countries suddenly forget their difference and close ranks.

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Nice thing about nukes (if there is any), is that the owner of them, does have the "final" say, no matter how "powerful" the opponent considers themself...

People have a strange idea about nukes, that they could wipe out entire countries - they can't. The danger from using nukes is counter strike, the chain reaction it would set off. This is the situation we have left ourselves in, the danger for the whole world is not if Iran threw a nuke Isreals way but the counter strikes that would cause and once it starts it will not stop, not through necessity but through fear.

Originally Posted by Quahom1

As far as wearing a hijab in the US. They are as common as a pair of jeans, and no one looks twice at the wearer.

That isn't the impression I am getting from people on this forum.

Salaam

Originally Posted by wil

For a peaceful religion Christianity seems to be able to bring out the anger in Muslims...Osama was our buddy remember.

[bob x]

In the Detroit area, a head-scarf is nothing unusual at all; the full veil is seen less often (and, as you know, gives me the creeps), but that isn't your usual style anyway.

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by madeinrussia89

even though we're the only country that's ever used it on people, TWICE.

{MW rolls around the floor laughing and cheering for madeinrussia - I wish I had a flag to wave}

Originally Posted by madeinrussia89

" BAD MUSLIM BAD ISLAM BAD BAD BAD EVIL" doesn't help it. I wish it wasn't like that.

Oh no I have been found out. Go on you can tell me the truth, what gave it away the tail and horns or the explosive belt?

You wish it wasnt like that, how do you think I feel

Originally Posted by madeinrussia89

Isn't the greatest jihad the inner jihad anyway?

Absolutely correct. I was astonished tonight, on a Muslim forum, to hear that we should not call these people Muslim and simply ignore their actions. I left a post saying WRONG ignoring it will not make it go away, we must point fingers and shout NO, this is not Islam and we, as Muslims, do not accept this. I think I will probably be banned tomorrow?

Originally Posted by madeinrussia89

As far as Mahmoud goes, he can spout off all he wants because it's the ayatollah that has real authority.

Yes and No. I have been watching their little dance for the last couple of years and when you ignore the rubbish they are saying and just watch the dance it becomes very interesting. I think there is more to their relationship than meets the eye.

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by bob x

In the Detroit area, a head-scarf is nothing unusual at all; the full veil is seen less often (and, as you know, gives me the creeps), but that isn't your usual style anyway.

I think I would be scared enough just as a human visiting your country without adding a target to my head. We will see when the time comes, maybe I will wear it and just remove it if it causes me any trouble?

[madeinrussia89]

Oh no I have been found out. Go on you can tell me the truth, what gave it away the tail and horns or the explosive belt?

Haha, yeah. Whenever I get on the bus to go to church wearing the headscarf no one will set next to me because they're too bothered with themselves trying to figure out if I've got a belt of TNT under my coat. Imagine the uproar strapping yourself with gluesticks would cause.

Makes for some good laughs, at least.

Absolutely correct. I was astonished tonight, on a Muslim forum, to hear that we should not call these people Muslim and simply ignore their actions. I left a post saying WRONG ignoring it will not make it go away, we must point fingers and shout NO, this is not Islam and we, as Muslims, do not accept this. I think I will probably be banned tomorrow?

The whole world gets confused when you don't stand up and say " NO! BAD MUSLIM! " so yes, totally agree with you.


The dance of Mahmoud and the Ayatollah, crrrreeeepy creepy, I don't want to ever see that lil leprechaun dance in the literal sense. It reminds me too much of that low-budget horror film series Leprechaun.

[bob x]

"I think I would be scared enough just as a human visiting your country "
I would feel terrified about going to Egypt. Maybe we should swap visits?

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by bob x

I would feel terrified about going to Egypt. Maybe we should swap visits?

You would be more than welcome to visit Egypt, they are very friendly people and my husband would lok after you during your stay. Unless you stood in the high street shouting out your views about Islam or calling women lumps in bags no harm would come to you and I think you would be very surprised by our life.

Maybe we need to start an exchange programme? I strongly believe discussion and education is the key to peace, we should go to see what it is we are so afraid of.

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by madeinrussia89

Haha, yeah. Whenever I get on the bus to go to church wearing the headscarf no one will set next to me because they're too bothered with themselves trying to figure out if I've got a belt of TNT under my coat. Imagine the uproar strapping yourself with gluesticks would cause.

Oh gosh I hadn't thought they would assume you were an evil Muslim. Imagine what it is like getting on a plane, you can feel everyone tense up and you want to shout out 'I DONT have a bomb honestly'.

Originally Posted by madeinrussia89

The whole world gets confused when you don't stand up and say " NO! BAD MUSLIM! " so yes, totally agree with you.

Well I wasn't banned but the thread was closed and I had a couple of stern tellings off. Good heavens these people are talking about what a nice but misunderstood chap bin laden is. Everything written in the western media is lies and ALL Muslims are good - and these are mainly western converts.

I thank G-d I am more than half way through my life and I don't have any children who will have to grow up to try to make sense of this madness we call the world of man.

[greymare]

The only country Ive ever wanted to visit is Egypt. I cannot explain why. But maybe one day I will. Ill let you know MW if ever I venture overseas. LOL

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by greymare

The only country Ive ever wanted to visit is Egypt. I cannot explain why. But maybe one day I will. Ill let you know MW if ever I venture overseas. LOL

You will always be more than welcome in my home Grey (of course hubby will have to go sleep at his mothers ....... when are you coming ). Your boys are all welcome too.

Everyone should visit Egypt at some time in their life, it has a hypnotic charm (of course I am biased).

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

I think I would be scared enough just as a human visiting your country without adding a target to my head. We will see when the time comes, maybe I will wear it and just remove it if it causes me any trouble?

It's worn in NYC and Washington DC, and Seattle, and Los Angeles, and Baltimore, and Portsmouth, and Detroit, and Chicago, and Toronto Canada, and just about any other major city in North America I've been to recently...it's a scarf. Probably a hell of alot warmer for the wearer, than the rest of us have in dead winter...

It does have one small side effect MW...It draws attention to the wearer's eyes...and that is where one begins to fall in love with another, the eyes are windows...