just an observation....

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

17th Angel that sheds some light, thanks... but it does invite a few more questions as to what you think a Satanist club is.

Eye for eye + 10: That is a fair example. I was thinking maybe do to others before they do to you would be even more evil. Like the misguided word, 'preemptive' or 'preemption'... except doing something out of hatred, greed, or fear instead of love and hope.

Blaspheme: What do you or would you do if someone blasphemes you? Do you accept others doing to you as you do to them?

Materialism: Have you tried giving to charity or investing in others? Do you have pity for those who do not have your wealth?

Prove it: That is the common plea I see from a professed atheist or agnostic. I think there might be several paths that lead away from that.

When you talk about pleasure it almost sounds like a strip club, prostitution, or casino, but you had talked about rank so it sounded like a military, street gang or an illicit organized crime like a drug cartel. So maybe not a group of people that purposely thinks of themselves as being Satanist and aspires to do evil, but that they might be. Or are you truly saying that there is a Satanist club that goes out of its way to find evil things to do?

If some one said I don't know... Oh for 17th sake, I wouldn't take offense.. or if they replaced the numbers for my name fair enough it is but a saying... Butif you replaced 17th for god... That hurts people and the bible says not to do it? But what harm does it do?

I never thought of the charity thing... I give £20 a month to the NSPCC a child protection charity... It has come out of my bank account for the past three years automatically I guess I didn't take it into account. I guess not all I do is material... *shrugs* I like kids........

Uhm, Proove it? Proove there isn't a god? In my eyes I have, I think those who claim there is a god need to proove it.. If I was convinced I guess I would change, I don't know... Not 100% sure. But like, I have been made from a mold I feel right? And that the mold has set levels they were made like that and can't be changed... I feel if I did find god... I couldn't change to what would be required...

I am quite certain there could be groups that intentionally think "hmm what can we do that is evil today.." lol, but no I haven't been apart of something like that. Or atleast I don't think I have... ¬.¬

[17th Angel]

Another observation....

This somehow has turned from masking the name of jah, to, spotlight on 17th.... lol how'd that happen....

[Saltmeister]

Originally Posted by cavalier

I've lived a fairly sheltered life and could very well be missing something, but the only way I can understand someone doing this - always seeking revenge, and seeking it ten-fold - is if they have been hurt very badly, or are filled with some kind of pain.

Maybe you could shed some light 17th, what motivates a person to live his life this way?

Believe me, Cavalier, I felt that way once. I was so angry with someone, hated them so much I decided that I was going to be really bad. Real evil. I decided that, after things had "cooled," I was going to get him into trouble by leading him into a trap. I would frame him to make it look like he had done something wrong. I would tell lies and deceive many people. I would cause a lot of damage. My primary aim would be to destroy him. The Terminator out to kill. Yes, ultimate destruction. Ultimate evil. Ultimate revenge. Retribution. My actions would be more sinister than they had ever been. It was the beginning of something evil.

I was going to be Satan, the devil. Grrrrrrrr.

Up until then I didn't hate (at least for a long time). Now it was time to hate again. And this time I would go all the way. Completely wicked to the bone . . . True, pure evil. I would hold nothing back. This time it was the real thing. It wasn't a game anymore. It wasn't just hate. It was stone-cold hate. Black as the darkest night hate.

Then one day people would find out what I was up to. They would realise I meant business. They would be sorry . . .

Ok, it didn't happen. I never even got to first base. It was all in my imagination. Maybe one day I could write a novel about it. It was an exciting experience. I'm glad Adam ate the fruit. This wouldn't have been possible if he hadn't. Wow that was fun.

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Another observation....

This somehow has turned from masking the name of jah, to, spotlight on 17th.... lol how'd that happen....

I saw a few of your posts around and this was your thread so it seemed like the place to ask a few questions. I am curious what you were calling a Satanist club that would remain nameless. You don't sound evil to me... I mean granted by your own admission you have done some things you believe were evil or wrong, but look around and join the club. I have sinned. The question you might ask yourself is what you are going to do with that knowledge. As for proof of God, seek and I think you will find it.

What does the number 17 mean to you... anything special?

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

I saw a few of your posts around and this was your thread so it seemed like the place to ask a few questions. I am curious what you were calling a Satanist club that would remain nameless. You don't sound evil to me... I mean granted by your own admission you have done some things you believe were evil or wrong, but look around and join the club. I have sinned. The question you might ask yourself is what you are going to do with that knowledge. As for proof of God, seek and I think you will find it.

What does the number 17 mean to you... anything special?

Could be "Tabris" of Tokyo-3 (angel of free will), or part of his military designation. Never thought to ask.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Could be "Tabris" of Tokyo-3 (angel of free will), or part of his military designation. Never thought to ask.

Originally Posted by cyberpi

What does the number 17 mean to you... anything special?

Heh... 17 is apart of something bad I have done.. 17 is the amount I owe. It is also involved in alot of dreams I have had where there are 17 angels that visit me... I used to have that dream for years, but it has now faded. Q is on the right tracks about me using rank... Simply my "military designation" But I think there is much more fun in leaving minds to be curious and come to their own conclusions to things... more exciting I believe...

[wil]

He can no longer sit on the sidelines.

The eye for an eye as it was explained before did not refer to what should be done, rather maximum retribution by the judge, tribunal, council whatever.

Eye plus tenfold is beyond the pale and part of the problem with our worldwide societal notions today. We've tried this system for 10,000 years...and happily march on to war abusing whoever we decide and if they respond in what we deem a negative way we glady give them tenfold.

Hiroshima, Nagasaki.

Forgiveness is not for anyone else, it is a completely selfish act, that will provide a thousand times better results than an eye for an eye. When we react in violence, vengence, or retribution, we never feel like we get enough. When we take the high road, we can sleep at night.

[Saltmeister]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Heh... 17 is apart of something bad I have done.. 17 is the amount I owe. It is also involved in alot of dreams I have had where there are 17 angels that visit me... I used to have that dream for years, but it has now faded. Q is on the right tracks about me using rank... Simply my "military designation" But I think there is much more fun in leaving minds to be curious and come to their own conclusions to things... more exciting I believe...

Are you absolutely sure there were 17 angels? It could have been 16 or 18. How do you count angels in a dream? Your mind isn't clear in a dream. Dreams are erratic. People go to weird places and do weird things in dreams. Dreams are a drunken reality.

But wait, if there are 17 angels, aren't you the 18th?

Sounds like Earl on T.V. The guy who's wronged a dozen people and has a list of things he needs to do to get even with himself for the things he has done.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Saltmeister

Are you absolutely sure there were 17 angels? It could have been 16 or 18. How do you count angels in a dream? Your mind isn't clear in a dream. Dreams are erratic. People go to weird places and do weird things in dreams. Dreams are a drunken reality.

But wait, if there are 17 angels, aren't you the 18th?

Sounds like Earl on T.V. The guy who's wronged a dozen people and has a list of things he needs to do to get even with himself for the things he has done.

I am 100% sure there are only 17. This dream is far from unclear... I agree most dreams are here and there and seem to last a blink of an eye. But I recall every small detail of this dream.. Seeing I had the same one for years. And yup maybe it is drunken reality... But it still sticks in my mind.

Am I not the 18th? No these 17 are "apart" of me...

Never heard of "Earl on T.V" Sounds slighty interesting I suppose.. Don't watch television shows.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Kindest Regards, 17th!
BTW, how's the hemp garden?

I didn't see this bit..... You know I grow weed? lol... We've talked before? uh... heh... before anyone mentions anything about short term memory loss with any connection to weed... thats an urban myth... ¬.¬ heh.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

I didn't see this bit..... You know I grow weed? lol... We've talked before? uh... heh... before anyone mentions anything about short term memory loss with any connection to weed... thats an urban myth... ¬.¬ heh.

Nuts! And I thought you were one of the hemp distributors for our ship's lines (rope for you land lubbers). A 21 strand 6 inch hemp line can hold a 15,000 ton ship to a pier in a force 4 hurricane...

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Nuts! And I thought you were one of the hemp distributors for our ship's lines (rope for you land lubbers). A 21 strand 6 inch hemp line can hold a 15,000 ton ship to a pier in a force 4 hurricane...

Isn't hemp freaking awesome? Good quality lines you got there Q.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Isn't hemp freaking awesome? Good quality lines you got there Q.

Yeah, just no way in hell one can get high off of them...

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Yeah, just no way in hell one can get high off of them...

Well, Q you gotta take the rough with the smooth... *shruggs*

I have some Hemp bowls and plates and stuff Pretty cool... home made.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Well, Q you gotta take the rough with the smooth... *shruggs*

I have some Hemp bowls and plates and stuff Pretty cool... home made.

Fire proof too...