JW's, Sccientologists, Moonies.. when does a cult become a religion?

[Tao_Equus]

Gobbeldygook.

Hide behind your quotes.. and avoid the facts...... JW's are part of a revelation cult founded for profit not prophet.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Gobbeldygook.

Hide behind your quotes.. and avoid the facts...... JW's are part of a revelation cult founded for profit not prophet.

there was a time when i also was misled to believe untruths, just as you are. but the truth has set me free , and it is very good indeed.

The whole purpose of the congregations of JW is to do what Jesus asked his followers to do, and that is in matthew 28-19-20 and now in this time we are living in ,GOODDNEWS is going on all over the world ,.bible prophecy is now well along and Gods kingdom is well established DANIEL 2;44 and the making known about that Kingdom and the fact that Jesus has recieved his kingship Daniel 7;13-14 , is putting people on notice for a witness to all the nations . its all happening especially in this time of the end .


And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. matthew 24;14


Yes the whole purpose of the congregations all over the world is working in unity and peace, and it is getting the Lords work done .


Even under opposition.

its all happening and it is GOODNEWS

(Mark 13:10) Also, in all the nations the good news has to be preached first.


Yes ,HE CAUSES TO BECOME

[greymare]

ah.... so NOW is the time of the end.?. I thought that was 20years ago>?> or wasnt it 50 years ago or was it 200 years ago ? Its ALWAYS the timeof the end. As long as we as humans continue to do ANYTHING wrong it will continue to be the END Of time????? blah blah.... thats what all the cults say. "JOIN NOW. LISTEN NOW. OR BE DOOMED. DOOOOOOOOMED. " Its great for you that you have something to hold on to . Im not singleing out JWs but they are for profit . Fair Dinkum.... so is the catholic church and that makes me sick. How can you be sooooo rich you have your own state (Vatican) and be the so called religion it is. Its a fantastic business and archive of priceless works but a huge contradiction to the plight of its fellow man. I could go on but im gettng off topic. Love the Grey

[wil]

Originally Posted by greymare

ah.... so NOW is the time of the end.?. I thought that was 20years ago>?> or wasnt it 50 years ago or was it 200 years ago ? Its ALWAYS the timeof the end. As long as we as humans continue to do ANYTHING wrong it will continue to be the END Of time????? blah blah.... thats what all the cults say. "JOIN NOW. LISTEN NOW. OR BE DOOMED. DOOOOOOOOMED. " Its great for you that you have something to hold on to . Im not singleing out JWs but they are for profit . Fair Dinkum.... so is the catholic church and that makes me sick. How can you be sooooo rich you have your own state (Vatican) and be the so called religion it is. Its a fantastic business and archive of priceless works but a huge contradiction to the plight of its fellow man. I could go on but im gettng off topic. Love the Grey

Bruce Almighty was on last night...funny stuff.

In the end the doomsayer walking around with his sign said, "Armageddon outta here!" Love it, and then he morphed into G!d.

Great metaphor, we don't know where we are going to get our messages from.

[Saltmeister]

Originally Posted by greymare

ah.... so NOW is the time of the end.?. I thought that was 20years ago>?> or wasnt it 50 years ago or was it 200 years ago ? Its ALWAYS the timeof the end. As long as we as humans continue to do ANYTHING wrong it will continue to be the END Of time????? blah blah.... thats what all the cults say. "JOIN NOW. LISTEN NOW. OR BE DOOMED. DOOOOOOOOMED. " Its great for you that you have something to hold on to . Im not singleing out JWs but they are for profit . Fair Dinkum.... so is the catholic church and that makes me sick. How can you be sooooo rich you have your own state (Vatican) and be the so called religion it is. Its a fantastic business and archive of priceless works but a huge contradiction to the plight of its fellow man. I could go on but im gettng off topic. Love the Grey

End of the world lol.

It's like saying the earth is flat. You are sailing further and further away from land. Come on the sea has to end somewhere. Sooner or later we are going to fall of the edge of the earth!!! Ooops more sea. Hey what's that over there? It's more land!!! Guess what? We're home sweet home!!

[mee]

Originally Posted by greymare

ah.... so NOW is the time of the end.?. I thought that was 20years ago>?> or wasnt it 50 years ago or was it 200 years ago ? Its ALWAYS the timeof the end. As long as we as humans continue to do ANYTHING wrong it will continue to be the END Of time????? blah blah.... thats what all the cults say. "JOIN NOW. LISTEN NOW. OR BE DOOMED. DOOOOOOOOMED. " Its great for you that you have something to hold on to . Im not singleing out JWs but they are for profit . Fair Dinkum.... so is the catholic church and that makes me sick. How can you be sooooo rich you have your own state (Vatican) and be the so called religion it is. Its a fantastic business and archive of priceless works but a huge contradiction to the plight of its fellow man. I could go on but im gettng off topic. Love the Grey

the time of the end STARTED in 1914 , this was the time that Jesus was given kingship in the heavenly kingdom goverment inline with bible prophecy and chronology , and now we are well along into the conclusion of the system of things Daniel 2;44 DANIEL 7;13-14


Yes 1914 was the start of the end, and soon ALL manmade rulerships in opposition to Gods kingdom and his reigning son Jesus christ ,will be put out of action. Gods heavenly kingdom was born in 1914 and it was set up in the heavens while manmade goverments and rulerships were still ruling . its all happening especially in the days since 1914 .

And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite; Daniel 2;44



As for the churches of christendom ,Jehovahs witnesses are no part of christendom .




we are into sticking to the bible and keeping ourselves awake to bible prophecy, and yes we are christians who are putting ourselves on the side of the most high.

“Trust in Jehovah, you people, for all times, for in Jah Jehovah is the Rock of times indefinite.”—ISAIAH 26:4.

[greymare]

oh yes, I recall the bible saying 1914 was the beginning of the end. NOT. There areAs many interpretations of the bible as there are interpreters. Im sorry, didnt Nostradamus predict things are dire yet so vague as well. You can cite stuff all you like about this but to me the bible is a reference book for things that have SOME relevence now but majorly directed towards the people of that time and era. You say you are sticking to the bible??????? Your version of the bible, maybe , the King James Bible??? nice so where exactly was this King James when the bible was written??? And why wasnt his version always the "right " one when everyone else had their other versions????? The last part of your Isaiah quote(see above) sounds alot like a Bob Marley song. But that cant be right cos Rastafarians cant be the same of JWs now , can they???? Peace Mon. Jahrule.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Saltmeister

End of the world lol.

It's like saying the earth is flat. You are sailing further and further away from land. Come on the sea has to end somewhere. Sooner or later we are going to fall of the edge of the earth!!! Ooops more sea. Hey what's that over there? It's more land!!! Guess what? We're home sweet home!!

the bible speaks about the end of manmade goverments and rulerships ,not the end of the planet.



And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. IT WILL CRUSH AND PUT AN END TO ALL THESE KINGDOMSand it itself will stand to times indefinite; Daniel 2;44



The planet will aways be here, and as Jesus himself said in matthew 5;5 ,

Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth. matthew 5;5

and as psalm 37 ;11 tells us then it will be PEACEFUL


But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth,
And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace. psalm 37;11

[mee]

[quote=greymare;132197 didnt Nostradamus predict things are dire yet so vague as well.[/quote]
many humans have done many things , but only the true God is a God of prophecy, and it always comes true .

the prophecies in the bible are prophecies from God .

Humans cannot foretell the future with any certainty. Time and again their efforts at prediction fail miserably. So a book of prophecies that did and is coming true has to attract our attention. The Bible is such a book.

there are predictions in the Bible that were fulfilled in times past . but NOW , in the time we live in especially since 1914,in our own day, and even in our future. The reliability of those ancient prophecies makes us confident that these other predictions will without fail come true.

The Bible contains hundreds of prophecies, many of which have already been fulfilled.


Bible prophecies do not deal only with the ancient past. They also accurately foretell events that are taking place in our day .

[mee]

[quote=greymare;132197The last part of your Isaiah quote(see above) sounds alot like a Bob Marley song. But that cant be right cos Rastafarians cant be the same of JWs now , can they???? Peace Mon. Jahrule.[/quote]

Jah, is a shortened form of the name of the true God .Jehovah being Gods name as psalm 83;18 tells us.

That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah,
You alone are the Most High over all the earth.psalm 83;18

(Isaiah 42:8) “I am Jehovah. That is my name; and to no one else shall I give my own glory, neither my praise to graven images.


(Psalm 68:4) Sing YOU to God, make melody to his name; Raise up [a song] to the One riding through the desert plains As Jah, which is his name; and jubilate before him;


THE SHORTER FORM OF THE DIVINE NAME

The shorter form of the divine name occurs 50 times in the Masoretic text as Yah, rendered “Jah.” Following is a list of its occurrences: Ex 15:2; 17:16; Ps 68:4, 18; 77:11; 89:8; 94:7, 12; 102:18; 104:35; 105:45; 106:1, 48; 111:1; 112:1; 113:1, 9; 115:17, 18, 18; 116:19; 117:2; 118:5, 5, 14, 17, 18, 19; 122:4; 130:3; 135:1, 3, 4, 21; 146:1, 10; 147:1, 20; 148:1, 14; 149:1, 9; 150:1, 6, 6; Ca 8:6; Isa 12:2; 26:4; 38:11, 11.

[mee]

Originally Posted by greymare

But that cant be right cos Rastafarians cant be the same of JWs now , can they???? Peace Mon. Jahrule.

they can if they start off doing this ,

This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. John 17;3


taking in knowledge about the true God Jehovah and his son Jesus christ is the start of wisdom , and many from all different religions have done just that, and then they end up being part of a GREATCROWD from all nations , and here they are spoken of in REVELATION 7;9-10 .

AND GUESS WHAT many were former rasters, but now they are welcoming the newly enthroned king that JAH,JEHOVAH has given great aurthority too.Daniel 7;13-14

[mee]

Originally Posted by greymare

ah.... so NOW is the time of the end.?. I thought that was 20years ago>?> or wasnt it 50 years ago

correct, and correct.

ever since 1914 we have been living in the time of the end .



and it is being made known on a global scale.


And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. matthew 24;14



(Revelation 16:16) And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Har–Ma·ged′on.



(Revelation 19:19) And I saw the wild beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage the war with the one seated on the horse and with his army.

[mee]

Originally Posted by greymare

sounds alot like a Bob Marley song. Peace Mon. Jahrule.

By the rivers of Babylon—there we sat down.
We also wept when we remembered Zion. psalm 37

[greymare]

soory mee, but people swap religions and "find" god invarious aspects to changes in their life ALL the time. rivers of bablylon......boney M. and yes..... alll through time man has said that it is the end of days. and yes they have referenced the bible for this. All the weirdo cults use the bibile as refernce to back themselves up so it doesnt help quoteing it for my benefit. and another thing.... yes i have read the bible alot....... in my younger days. Quoteing doesnt impress me. revelations is truly a difficult to read and understand book. Sounds to me like someone was smoking something when it was scribed. This is not a "low blow" but an honest obsservation. How do you know that its text wasnt altered by weed/daytura etc and the "visions" were halucinations??????

[mee]

[quote=greymare;132242] rivers of bablylon......boney M. /quote] sorry , yes i think it was boney M , thought it was bob , was just singing the tune in my head