King George To Assume Full Power?

[Jack Halyard]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

As for Freemasons...name two US presidents that were *not* Freemasons. I can think of only one, Jimmy Carter, and he was affiliated with another "world power" group, I want to say "the Bilderberg" group, or perhaps it was "the Trilateralist Commission." It's been awhile, and I don't let this stuff occupy me like I once did.

Hola Juan,
I can do better than two.
I'll give you the ones that were Freemasons and you can fill in the ones that were not or are not.

George Washington, James Monroe, Andrew Jackson, James Knox Polk, James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, James Abram Garfield, William McKinley, Theodore Roosevelt, William Howard Taft, Warren Gamaliel Harding, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, Gerald Rudolph Ford.

Lyndon Baines Johnson was an Entered Apprentice but advanced no further. William Jefferson Clinton was in DeMolay as a teenager but never became a Freemason.

That would leave 28 presidents that were not Masons, 27 men because, of course, Grover Cleveland served non-consecutive terms being the 22nd and 24th presidents.

[juantoo3]

Kindest Regards, Jack Halyard!

Thank you for your response!

Originally Posted by Jack Halyard

Hola Juan,
I can do better than two.
I'll give you the ones that were Freemasons and you can fill in the ones that were not or are not.

George Washington, James Monroe, Andrew Jackson, James Knox Polk, James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, James Abram Garfield, William McKinley, Theodore Roosevelt, William Howard Taft, Warren Gamaliel Harding, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, Gerald Rudolph Ford.

Lyndon Baines Johnson was an Entered Apprentice but advanced no further. William Jefferson Clinton was in DeMolay as a teenager but never became a Freemason.

That would leave 28 presidents that were not Masons, 27 men because, of course, Grover Cleveland served non-consecutive terms being the 22nd and 24th presidents.

I do have a few qualifiers. First, I am not a Mason. Second, I was repeating the survivalist mantra. Third, it has been quite some time since I looked at any of this stuff.

Rallying cries don't have to be factual to be effective. The survivalists have their chosen "devil" to pursue, and in this case it happens to be the Masons. I have moved on a long way since then...I now understand that Masons do a lot of good work, particularly with children and the handicapped. I also sense that there is a gulf between the rank and file and the elite, just as with any ranked organization like the military. The rank and file don't usually know what is going on in the higher ranks, and when they do it is usually long after the fact.

Having laid down my qualifiers, it seems Thomas Jefferson, chief architect of the US Constitution and designer of the Great Seal of the US was also a Mason. So were virtually all of the signers of the Declaration of Independence. So were Alexander Hamilton and Benjamin Franklin, I am told. The designs of the various buildings throughout the Capitol complex have Masonic engravings or depictions overhead of the entrances. The Washington Monument is Masonic in design.

John Adams, and his son John Q. Adams, by my understanding, were also Masons. I have long thought it possible Lincoln may *not* have been. Even if I may be mistaken on some of the finer points pertaining to which presidents were and which were not, it is difficult to deny the great influence the Masonic order has had on US government, policy and architecture. I am not saying this to imply right or wrong, simply noting what I have been led to believe are historical facts.

There are Masonic elements contained in the obverse and reverse of the Great Seal as displayed on the back of the one dollar bill, with the number 13 being quite prominent (13 arrows, 13 olive leaves, 13 steps to the uncompleted pyramid leading to the "All Seeing Eye"). The Latin phrase "Novus Ordo Seclorum" can be translated in an unflattering way, for those who so choose.

I still believe US politics is a game of bait and switch played on the public. There are other considerations that enter the game as well, money and the people who control it being the next major influence after Masonry. The ghost of Rockefeller still haunts US domestic policy. The family name of the guy who started the Federal Reserve Bank escapes me at the moment, at one time I knew it right off. He was of German descent as I recall. I have long noted with a sense of amusement how when called to testify before Congress, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve conducts himself quite differently than others, others including presidents and generals.

The US may have begun as a Federal Republic, but we are so far removed from that ideal at this point that I seriously doubt the Founding Fathers would recognize what they created. At one time in my life I felt I needed a scapegoat, now I simply don't care. I am jaded over US politics, I feel my vote is worthless beyond the local and state level. The public is told many things to maintain the aura of what took place in 1776. While at the same time what happens in reality is the reverse of what we are told. Taxation without representation being but one example, gold and silver currency being another, Freedom of Religion another and the Right to keep and bear arms still another.

I've narrowed my focus as I have grown, I no longer feel the need to use a blanket of blame over an entire group. I now focus that attention, when I bother, on specific individuals regardless of affiliation or orientation.

I hope that helps clarify any misunderstanding. InLove's insights are as valid as any others here, she is more than welcome to continue. I was merely presenting another view, one that I know reasonably well but no longer hold in entirety.

[juantoo3]

PS: I knew I should have left the politics board alone!

[InLove]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

PS: I knew I should have left the politics board alone!

Hehe. Me, too.

When will I ever learn? I should stick to something simpler, like religion.

No worries on this end, juan! J.H. and I wind up on the same threads in some discussions simply because we share similar interests, which is a good thing, since we have to spend lots of time together. But we aren't playing tag team here. (We only cheat in parlor games. )

Nope, I'd say your comments simply caught my husband's interest. He's by nature one of those myth-buster type folks.

As for me continuing with my viewpoints about the present administration, I have decided to give it a rest for now. But that isn't your fault. It's just that there are other things to which I can more fruitfully devote my time. I'll leave this stuff up to those more qualified. (That is, until I forget and do it again.)

Anyway, please do continue with the discussion, all ye who dare to enter....

As Always,
InPeace,
InLove,
Deb

[Dondi]

InLove,

Though I might have disagreed with some of your views, I still respect the fact that you spoke up and made them known. I don't think we should ever be afraid to express our opinion, even if it is not a particularly popular one. (And I make that as a general statement, not to imply that your stance is in the minority or unpopular). The point is that discussions like this are very stimulating. I know I came on rather strong in this one, but it wasn't meant to belittle anyone elses view. I was going to debate dauer further on the ongoing conversation we were having, but I felt like it was going into an area that I didn't intend it to go, so I left it alone. It was obvious anyway that the lines in that conversation were drawn.

But I did learn quite a number of things, especially researching much information not only in formulating my replies, but also in gaining valuable information in the responses of the opposing viewpoints.

I think that is the essence of debate. To learn from each other, even if we don't agree with each other. Sometimes much fog is cleared away.

Regards,

Dondi

[InLove]

Thanks, Dondi. Yes, I learned some things, too. As for the conversation between you and dauer, I chose to stay out of that part of the discussion, as well, because I could see valid points on both sides of the issue. And there were comments all through the thread made by various posters to which I did not respond, because I would have gotten carried away, and I did not want to do that. Hopefully, everyone understands.

InPeace,
InLove

[Tao_Equus]

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