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King Saul & Saul of Tarsus
King Saul & Saul of Tarsus
In the time of Samuel, the Prophet of Israel, the Israelites
rejected Yahweh by asking for a king to rule over them. SAUL
means "asked for."
1 Samuel 8:6-8 But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto Yahweh. 7 And Yahweh said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee; for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not be king over them. 8 According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, in that they have forsaken me, and served other elohim, so do they also unto thee.
Samuel inquired of Yahweh about Israel's wish for a king to rule over
them. Yahweh told Samuel to do as Israel asked, but said, "It isn't
you they've rejected, Samuel, but ME, as King over them." Yahweh
tells Samuel that since He freed them from bondage in Egypt, they had
forsaken Him to serve of the elohim, and now they were rejecting
What we see next, is nothing short of unbelievable:
1 Samuel 8:9 Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit thou
shalt protest solemnly unto them, and shalt show them the manner of
the king that shall reign over them. 10 And Samuel told all the words
of Yahweh unto the people that asked of him a king.
Yahweh sends Samuel to the Israelites, with the news that they can
have their king, but also with a strong warning about what the king
they've asked for, would be like and what he'd do to them.
1 Samuel 8:11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that
shall reign over you: he will take your sons, and appoint them unto
him, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and they shall run
before his chariots; 12 and he will appoint them unto him for
captains of thousands, and captains of fifties; and he will set some
to plow his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his
instruments of war, and the instruments of his chariots.
Yahweh warns Israel that their king will exploit them. Of their
sons, he would make servants for himself, in war- captains, plowers
of the fields, reapers of his harvest, instruments of war and of his
1 Samuel 8:13 And he will take your daughters to be perfumers, and to
be cooks, and to be bakers. 14 And he will take your fields, and your
vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them
to his servants.
Yahweh warns Israel, that the king would exploit their daughters too,
by making them perfumers, cooks and bakers- (domestic slaves). He
warns that the king will take the very best of their fields,
vineyards and olive yards and give them to his servants.
1 Samuel 8:15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your
vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants. 16 And he
will take your men-servants, and your maid-servants, and your
goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work. 17 He
will take the tenth of your flocks: and ye shall be his servants.
Yahweh warns Israel that the king they've demanded and asked for,
will take a tenth of their properties to give to his servants, their
your men and maids, their animals and put them all to work,
saying, "And ye shall be his servants." Could this be where
Christianity got its, "Give us tithes of your money and worldy
possesions and serve us," from? After all, it would seem their self-
appointed Apostle/Ruler & "King", Saul/Paul of Tarsus, has modelled
himself directly around King Saul.
1 Samuel 8:18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king
whom ye shall have chosen you; and Yahweh will not answer you in that
day. 19 But the people refused to hearken unto the voice of Samuel;
and they said, Nay: but we will have a king over us, 20 that we also
may be like all the nations, and that our king may judge us, and go
out before us, and fight our battles.
Even in spite of Yahweh's stern warning to Israel about what manner
of king they would be granted, Israel insisted on having a king.
Even though Samuel told them, they would cry out to Yahweh in
distress, because of their king, and Yahweh would not hear them,
Israel adamently clung to their own desire for a king, so they could
be like the other nations of the world, with a king to judge them and
fight their battles. Even after everything Yahweh had done, in
freeing Israel from bondage and slavery in Egypt, fighting all their
battles and establishing them in lands He took from sinners, and
granting them a place above all nations, Israel rejected Yahweh and
displayed their lack of trust and reverence for His Name, Might,
Power and Salvation, and demanded a human king instead.
Samuel reported all of Israel's replies, concering His warning to
them about the king they would be granted, and Yahweh said, "FINE
THEN ISRAEL. HAVE IT YOUR WAY."
Saul was appointed and anointed King of Israel, by Samuel, and
accepted by Israel. At first, Saul was humble, but not long after he
became king, he got a swollen lid and it blew! Basically, he did
everything that Yahweh said the king they asked for would do, and
when they did cry out for help, Yahweh didn't hear them. Good think
He has King David in the wings! King Saul was disobedient and
presumptuous and led Israel down hill!
Parallels with Saul of Tarsus
Saul was a Benjamite.(Wolfgang - but was probably mixed with Edom)
Philippians 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel,
of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the
law, a Pharisee . . . (I suppose Paul was stating his credentials)
He changed his name to Paul, which means "small." When Saul was
first told by Samuel, about Yahweh's appointment of him as king, the
1 Samuel 9:21 And Saul answered and said, Am not I a Benjamite, of
the smallest of the tribes of Israel? and my family the least of all
the families of the tribe of Benjamin? wherefore then speakest thou
to me after this manner?
Coincidence that Saul renamed himself Paul?
King Saul took it upon himself to offer sacrifices as a priest, which
was a big "no no," but he didn't care. He figured since he was the
king, then he should have the office of a priest too. This willful
disobedience to the commandments of Yahweh, didn't work in Saul's
favor. Because of Saul's lack fo regard for the order which YAHWEH
had set into place, nor for listening to Him, Yahweh sent an evil
spirit to torment him, and drive him MAD!
1 Samuel 16:14 Now the Spirit of Yahweh departed from Saul, and an
evil spirit from Yahweh troubled him. 15 And Saul's servants said
unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from Elohim troubleth thee.
Why did Yahweh do such a thing?
1 Samuel 16:1 And Yahweh said unto Samuel, How long wilt thou mourn
for Saul, seeing I have rejected him from being king over Israel?
fill thy horn with oil, and go: I will send thee to Jesse the Beth-
lehemite; for I have provided me a king among his sons.
Saul didn't take very kindly to being replaced! But he was replaced
because he was disobedient and unwise and because he was cruel to the
people he was supposedly the king over. He was jealous and proud.
Even so, King David said he would do nothing to harm Yahweh's
anointed, meaning King Saul.
FUNNY HOW ALL CHRISTIANS REPEAT THAT whenever you tell them they just
might be wrong and their leadership just MIGHT BE a tad corrupt!
Anyhow, look at this strange, little parallel between King Saul and
Apostle Paul and see if you can see anything amiss:
2 Corinthians 12:7 And by reason of the exceeding greatness of the
revelations, that I should not be exalted overmuch, there was given
to me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, that I
should not be exalted overmuch. 8 Concerning this thing I besought
the Master thrice, that it might depart from me.
According to Paul, he was given this evil messenger from Satan
because of how GREAT he was and because Yahshua wouldn't want him to
become a fat-head or anything! But yet, according to the WORD OF
YAHWEH, as revealed in this story of King Saul, the evil spirit is
only given to those who are disobedient and vain! Look at King
Nebachadnedzar, as another example. He became so full of himself and
so proud, that he attributed the greatness of his kingdom, to the
work of his own hands, so Yahweh caused him to become crazy and live
with wild animals for 7 years. Another example would be Balaam, who
kept bugging Yahweh to let him curse Israel, for the king of Moab, so
he could get the honor of men! Yahweh sent an adversary angel
Yahweh doesn't remove His Spirit from someone and give them an evil
spirit, just so they don't get too proud. He removes His Spirit when
someone gets too disobedient to Him.
Was Saul of Tarsus trying to be the king of Israel or what!? I would
say so! Look who he fashioned himself after! Accident?
Coincidence? With Yahweh, NOTHING is an accident or a coincidence.
Yahweh was trying to tell us something: The very SAME something He
told Israel when they rejected Him as King the first time. Now, He
came in the flesh: He manifested to us all through Yahshua, His Son
and Israel rejected Him AGAIN, only this time, they crucified Him.
I'd say, Yahweh was nice about being rejected the first time,
considering that must ahve been ROUGH but to have His own people
order Him CRUCIFIED??? That would be a recipe for wrath and
judgement, if there ever was one. So you know, here's what Yahsua
said to those Pharisees who continually mocked Him and laughed in His
John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if
another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Here's another thing Yahshua said to the unbelieving Pharisees:
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your
father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode
not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh
a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of
Just like Yahweh had warned Israel that the king they insisted on
and asked for, because they REJECTED HIM AS THEIR KING, would be evil
and would bring them into BONDAGE, Yahshua warned them again! Only
this time, the "king" they'd get would be utterly TERRIBLE and voila,
just like Yahshua said, Saul, the murderer, came along and ravished
the Flock! He began on a mad-rampage of slaughter against the
believers. Then suddenly, WOW, he becomes one himself, but not just
a mere believer, the LEADER OF THEM ALL!!
Saul of Tarsus was the "king" they asked for, but this time, he would
lead all of the house of Israel, straight into Gentile bondage until
the END! Who is Israel? They are LOST among the nations being spoon-
fed rat-poison by the likes of Saul of Tarsus, whose writings are
inspired by that wicked spirit of Satan, that helped him become so
GREAT and fulfil the entire prophecy in Habakkuk, to the letter!
Read Acts 13, to see something very revealing and vile about Paul.
King Saul's Lineage
- A Benjamite- (smallest tribe of Isreal)
"Now there was a man of Benjamin, whose name was Kish, the son of
Abiel, the son of Zeror, the son of Bechorath, the son of Aphiah, a
Benjamite, a mighty man of power [margin–substance]. And he had a
son, whose name was Saul, a choice young man, and a goodly: and there
was not among the children of Israel a goodlier person than he: from
his shoulders and upward he was higher than any of the people" (1
King Saul's Beginnings
- Was humble and good when first chosen as king
" . . . When thou wast little in thine own sight, wast thou not made
the head of the tribes of Israel, and the LORD anointed thee king
over Israel?" (1 Sam. 15:17).
- Mighty in battle in defence of Isreal
Character Flaws of King Saul
- Became proud
- Could not be trusted to always obey Yahweh
- Chose to rely on his own prowess
- Assumed the office of a priest by offering sacrifice only the
priest could offer
- Feared people more than Yahweh
- Could not accept demotion by Yahweh
King Saul's Demise
"Then came the word of the LORD unto Samuel, saying, It repenteth me
that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from
following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved
Samuel; and he cried unto the LORD all night" (1 Sam. 15:10–11).