Leo. Two masters? Say one thing do another maybe? - Page 3

LeoSalinas22 · 05-08-2007, 05:17 PM

[quote=17th Angel;104074]I see a problem... :\

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If you look to far ahead... For the future obstacles... You're going to miss that one right under your nose, trip and fall.. Do you get where I am coming from? (Cause I sure don't...)

i have only experienced this when i was an atheist.

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Sure for you... There is this being that has a promise of a better place for you, but you still need to get on and live in this world... Where you are for reals.... You know...

i have told you before, i don't want any part in this world unless Gods Kingodom is reigning.

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OK let's talk about jesus a moment.. Some say he is god... Some say he is the son of god... Overall most will agree he is important... If he is so important and divine and only worried about heaven and so on and so forth... Why the hell did he get a job as a carpenter?
1. It's a job.... He would have learnt an understanding/trade/education for.
2. Carpenter...... It is a form of art... But, your god makes better art in heaven and Earth right? So why bother?

ok, everything you have just described is before he was baptized and annointed by the Holy Spirit. there is a "gap" before His life before becoming the Son of God. before His baptism, He was a man, just like the rest of us. can you understand that? i for one graduated top honors in my class. yes i wanted to be a marine, astronaut, high school teacher, etc. but God kept me from becoming those things to serve Him. because all those things are of this world.

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Art, has -nothing- to do with "so and so" can do it better... It is individual and soaked with character and the touch of that particular artist...

there is not one artist i know that doesn't glorify himself and instead do it for God. want to know why? "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below."

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There is, without doubt alot you need from school to carry on in life.... With out education you have nothing... How would you -read- your bible? How would you afford to eat and drink and sleep under shelter? Your bible alone isn't going to do that for you is it?

there is actually a very good answer for this, but, i don't want to confuse you.

17th Angel · 05-09-2007, 08:51 AM

No artist that glorifys god? Why should he be glorified.... Seems like a I can't think of a word that won't offend.... (edit: too much...)*5mins later after his tea break* He's a jerk... It's all me me me me me look at this I made this I made you I blah blah blah... Yeah alright well done... How long you going to milk it for? Wouldn't that just annoy you? I hate milkers... As much as those that can't let things go... Little petty things, yet they still hold a childish grudge...

Life is to be lived... Not to have to waste all effort and time thanking something that may not even be there..... Just curious... Is the internet something of your god's world? Or my world?

LeoSalinas22 · 05-09-2007, 03:23 PM

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No artist that glorifys god? Why should he be glorified.... Seems like a I can't think of a word that won't offend.... (edit: too much...)*5mins later after his tea break* He's a jerk... It's all me me me me me look at this I made this I made you I blah blah blah... Yeah alright well done... How long you going to milk it for? Wouldn't that just annoy you? I hate milkers... As much as those that can't let things go... Little petty things, yet they still hold a childish grudge...

so you think that God is holding a childish grudge? so you don't think that man has failed Him? do you think that man as we are now, is the exact thing He intended for us. to war with one another and stab each other in the back? that makes no sense, man.

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Life is to be lived... Not to have to waste all effort and time thanking something that may not even be there..... Just curious... Is the internet something of your god's world? Or my world?

wait, so you think He doesn't exist? then what makes our hearts beat? in regards to the internet, God lets it exist so that people like you and me can talk about Him. well that and download porn.

either way, we still end up talking about Him.

17th Angel · 05-09-2007, 03:28 PM

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so you think that God is holding a childish grudge? so you don't think that man has failed Him?

Were we not given an option?

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do you think that man as we are now, is the exact thing He intended for us. to war with one another and stab each other in the back? that makes no sense, man.

Your a father right? How old is your kid(s)? Still an age where they are under your influence? You have these dreams of them being a success? Job wise/religion wise... whatever-wise..... Wait till they are grown and things change.... You may wish for them to do this... But, if a kid wants to do the other thing... Good luck preventing that. Also isn't that wrong? To oppress your child and force it to do your will? See where I am coming from at all?

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wait, so you think He doesn't exist? then what makes our hearts beat? in regards to the internet, God lets it exist so that people like you and me can talk about Him. well that and download porn.

either way, we still end up talking about Him.

Ah yes, porn... Apart of my world

Also major piracy of games/movies/music/software..... Good stuff.. I can see him approving of that. Oh not to mention the child molestor web rings... Helps them to move easier/meet up and so on... Good stuff....

LeoSalinas22 · 05-09-2007, 03:44 PM

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Were we not given an option?

yep. and we are doing just fine on our own, right?

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Your a father right? How old is your kid(s)?

yeah. 8 and 2. they are boys. they both look up to me. it would be pretty messed up if they ended up like me, instead of like Him. are you a dad?

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Still an age where they are under your influence? You have these dreams of them being a success? Job wise/religion wise... whatever-wise..... Wait till they are grown and things change.... You may wish for them to do this... But, if a kid wants to do the other thing... Good luck preventing that. Also isn't that wrong? To oppress your child and force it to do your will? See where I am coming from at all?

i know for a fact when they grow up they are going to rebel because i rebelled against my dad, too. we all rebel. i don't care how righteous one thinks himself to be. and when they do, i will do just what God does, try to talk with them first, if they don't listen, i will turn my back on them and pray to God that He takes care of them because that is all i can do.

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Ah yes, porn... Apart of my world

Also major piracy of games/movies/music/software..... Good stuff.. I can see him approving of that. Oh not to mention the child molestor web rings... Helps them to move easier/meet up and so on... Good stuff...

like i said, you would think i am nuts if i told you why he lets it happen.

17th Angel · 05-09-2007, 03:49 PM

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yeah. 8 and 2. they are boys. they both look up to me. it would be pretty messed up if they ended up like me, instead of like Him. are you a dad?

Yes... Son.

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i know for a fact when they grow up they are going to rebel because i rebelled against my dad, too. we all rebel. i don't care how righteous one thinks himself to be. and when they do, i will do just what God does, try to talk with them first, if they don't listen, i will turn my back on them and pray to God that He takes care of them because that is all i can do

So would, you say, that you just hope that the rebellion would be a phase and they would come around to god... But, if they did not you would turn your back on your blood? See that seem's worse to me, I'd say no matter the situation family should be kept close and try and help no matter what, they are the closest link to your past, and the most likley to stick by your side in the future...

LeoSalinas22 · 05-09-2007, 04:19 PM

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So would, you say, that you just hope that the rebellion would be a phase and they would come around to god... But, if they did not you would turn your back on your blood? See that seem's worse to me, I'd say no matter the situation family should be kept close and try and help no matter what, they are the closest link to your past, and the most likley to stick by your side in the future...

you think i am crazy. i know. let me ask you a question. do you think God was cruel to job? or perhaps to isaac when he asked abraham to sacrifice him? what do you think of this scripture?

I Chronicles 29 But who am I, and what is my people, that we should be able to offer so willingly after this sort? for all things come of thee, and of thine own have we given thee. For we are strangers before thee, and sojourners, as were all our fathers: our days on the earth are as a shadow, and there is none abiding.
everything we have He has given. the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh.

17th Angel · 05-09-2007, 04:21 PM

You want my honest opinion? No god wasn't cruel when we look at the story of Job, he was stupid... Big headed and fooled....

LeoSalinas22 · 05-09-2007, 04:31 PM

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You want my honest opinion? No god wasn't cruel when we look at the story of Job, he was stupid... Big headed and fooled....

i am sorry to hear you think that of Him. do you want to stop talking about Him?

17th Angel · 05-09-2007, 04:34 PM

No, I mean, if we take the story he was fooled by satan.... He simply wanted a dig at god's "most outstanding" human on the Earth at that point.... You wouldn't wish that, if god knows every single thing about each and every human, he knows Job would be faithful down the line, so why bother.... Unless you wish to be boastful and show off... At the expense of others lives and others pain and misery.... Where is the good in that? It's ok for him to do that but no others? And you said all glory has to go to him... Does he deserve glory for such a disgusting act as killing jobs kids workers wife and animals and so on.... Hmmmm...

LeoSalinas22 · 05-09-2007, 04:43 PM

well, He didn't kill job's wife.
Job 2:9 Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die.
as for His kids, well you read for yourself and tell me what you think?

Job 1:4 And his sons went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them. And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.
1. they partied like all hell get out! and 2. why did job feel the need to sacrifice continually to God for them? you ever ask yourself why he constantly had to do that? unless, they were wicked....

17th Angel · 05-09-2007, 04:48 PM

Home time soon, going to go home look in the bible, as I am very, very certain Job's wife curses god and dies..... Out of interest what bible are you reading from?

LeoSalinas22 · 05-09-2007, 04:50 PM

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Home time soon, going to go home look in the bible, as I am very, very certain Job's wife curses god and dies..... Out of interest what bible are you reading from?

i am getting these texts right of kjv on this website. also i read jw version and niv and newkjv.

17th Angel · 05-09-2007, 04:55 PM

Just looked on Wiki...

Job's Wife
Job's wife is mentioned only once in the book of Job in Chapter 2. The extra-Biblical Testament of Job adds legendary details about her being named Sitis, who, the legend goes, sold her hair to Satan in exchange for food and money. In the end, she cursed God and died.
As Job had at least four wives in the course of his life (four being from the tribe of Peleg)[2], it is currently unknown which wife this was.
In lieu of the Talmud's discussion of Job's being a contemporary of figures in the Book of Genesis, Genesis, Rabbinic sources [specify] have also identified Dinah as a possibility for Job's wife.[citation needed]

LeoSalinas22 · 05-09-2007, 05:04 PM

ok. so she dies. what is your point. God has destroyed alot of wicked people throughout history.