Leo. Two masters? Say one thing do another maybe?

17th Angel · 05-04-2007, 08:43 AM

Ok, not sure where you want to start brah, so you're up to bat first.

LeoSalinas22 · 05-04-2007, 03:30 PM

darn it,17th, i hate being put on the spot. lol. anyways i guess i brought this on myself. first i will have you know that i think you are a pretty cool dude and that i have nothing against you at all. the reason i brought up the "serving two masters" thing is because as i stated on the other thread was that i had been reading your posts and from what i read it just "seems" like you served two masters. i think back then i gave you a scripture about that. it goes like this:
Luke 16:13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
anyways, i have nothing but admiration for you, for i know that you are seeking His Face always, it is just that this corrupted flesh can get the best of us sometimes. especially me. i have nothing but concern for you and i would hate to see you fall. that would truly break my heart. especially with the knowledge you have about God. as you mentioned before, you used to be a jw, but you had a falling away for some reason. it sucks when people you know actually let you down. believe me, i know how that feels.

17th Angel · 05-04-2007, 03:39 PM

What if, say, no one has let me down? And I have already fallen?

Just out of curiosity, the knowledge I hold of god, shows that he is my master? And what shows I have another master and who would that master be?

What do you get from the following quote;

"No man is free, who is not a master of himself."
Epictetus..

LeoSalinas22 · 05-04-2007, 04:02 PM

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What if, say, no one has let me down? And I have already fallen?

that breaks my heart, man. it really does. as i said, when you have knowledge of God and you still can't see Him, then that is terrible. you probly already read this.

II Peter 2 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

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Just out of curiosity, the knowledge I hold of god, shows that he is my master?

i would certainly hope so! i pray He is your master!

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And what shows I have another master and who would that master be?

you ask "what shows"? their is doubt in your words. they don't sound like one who is on the narrow path. the words sound too broad, if you catch my drift. i am no one to say who is your master. that is for you to decide.

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What do you get from the following quote;
"No man is free, who is not a master of himself."
Epictetus

is this a trick question? i don't understand it. it sounds like no one is free, but they are not a master of themselves? sorry, i don't understand it really.

17th Angel · 05-04-2007, 04:08 PM

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that breaks my heart, man. it really does. as i said, when you have knowledge of God and you still can't see Him, then that is terrible. you probly already read this.

II Peter 2 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

Do not let it break your heart. Each is responsible for his actions... Interesting choice in scripture, indeed I have read it… Meaning? That those who –believe- in the scripture but do not follow it, are worse than those who act in blind innocence..

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is this a trick question? i don't understand it. it sounds like no one is free, but they are not a master of themselves? sorry, i don't understand it really.

No trick, just what it would mean to you... So you would say, that it is impossible to become one's own master?

With me, I have an understanding and a knowledge of christianity and satanic ways... But, I wouldn't claim either side... I feel I am my master... Even with god it's a 50 50 thing I am obviously not 100% sure that he does or doesn't exist... But either way, I couldn't allow him to be my master. I simply do not wish for that, I wouldn't be happy, and I wouldn't be.... Free. But, Is it wrong to offer others to choose him as a master? "Go with christ brah!" I indeed wish to be my own master, but not master of others.

LeoSalinas22 · 05-04-2007, 04:43 PM

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Do not let it break your heart. Each is responsible for his actions... Interesting choice in scripture, indeed I have read it… Meaning? That those who –believe- in the scripture but do not follow it, are worse than those who act in blind innocence..

but it does break my heart because i know you are so close but yet so far away. it saddens me because others didn't explain scripture to you well enough or showed you the beauty of God properly. in turn it leaves you at a 50-50 state of mind instead of 100 percent. to me the scripture means that it will be a heck of alot more difficult to return to God if you already have all the lustful desires fullfilled and acknowledge that they feel good or right. so we are at a worse state than we were in the beginning.

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No trick, just what it would mean to you... So you would say, that it is impossible to become one's own master?

it is very possible to be your own master. look at us. we are "going to and fro in the earth, and are walking up and down in it." we go where we want, do what we want as well. just like a particular entity we are all familiar with and are holding hands with everyday, unfortunately.

me, i learned the hard way that i cannot be my own master. perhaps one day i will tell you how i learned. He will always be my Master.

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With me, I have an understanding and a knowledge of christianity and satanic ways... But, I wouldn't claim either side... I feel I am my master... Even with god it's a 50 50 thing I am obviously not 100% sure that he does or doesn't exist... But either way, I couldn't allow him to be my master. I simply do not wish for that, I wouldn't be happy, and I wouldn't be.... Free. But, Is it wrong to offer others to choose him as a master? "Go with christ brah!" I indeed wish to be my own master, but not master of others.

remember, 17th, you can't serve God and mammon at the same time. you either hate one or love the other. you said in one of the posts that you choose life. i hope you meant God.

17th Angel · 05-04-2007, 04:46 PM

Would you fairly say it is life? Or service? If you choose god?

LeoSalinas22 · 05-04-2007, 05:06 PM

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Would you fairly say it is life? Or service? If you choose god?

there are two kinds of life. there is life in this world. which to me, doesn't matter, because scripture has explained it in the way that if you are a friend of this world, then you are an enemy of God. and trust me when i say this, i used to be a friend of this world, and all it brought was confusion and i was lost. then there is life that is not of this world. which to me means everything. yes, i am serving. what is wrong with that? God thru me, uses me to help the oppressed and needy. is there no honor in that? even if i knew that God wasn't real, i would still believe in Him. look around you. do you like what you see? i don't. i used to believe that we could help ourselves, even without God. but that is impossible without Him. we are just getting worse. seen the news lately? you would see what i mean.

17th Angel · 05-04-2007, 05:29 PM

I never watch the news....

Indeed there are bad things going on in this world... But, to blame it on the Devil... That is just poor.. Poor excuse.. I make a mess up.. I am to blame. Not god, nor satan... I do something amazing.. I am to praise not god nor satan.... Taking responsibility for one's actions....

LeoSalinas22 · 05-04-2007, 05:39 PM

you are absolutely right when you say you take personal accountability. we wouldn't want to do the same thing adam and eve did.

Genesis 3:12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

Genesis 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

too, much finger pointing if you ask me! makes you wonder though, how things would be different had adam and eve repented and asked
God for forgiveness.

17th Angel · 05-04-2007, 05:42 PM

So, you do not believe all praise and glory should be reserved for god? By rite?

LeoSalinas22 · 05-04-2007, 05:54 PM

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So, you do not believe all praise and glory should be reserved for god? By rite?

no, i don't believe.... i know that all praise and glory should be reserved for God because it is His right to have. after all He did mold us out of the dust of the earth! sides, what are you trying to get at, 17th! stop beating around the bush! lol.

LeoSalinas22 · 05-04-2007, 08:01 PM

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Ok, not sure where you want to start brah, so you're up to bat first.

wait, did you just call me a piece of a woman's underwear? lmfao.

Saltmeister · 05-05-2007, 12:57 AM

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no, i don't believe.... i know that all praise and glory should be reserved for God because it is His right to have. after all He did mold us out of the dust of the earth! sides, what are you trying to get at, 17th! stop beating around the bush! lol.

I believe God shares part of His glory with Man/Woman. God gave Man and Woman something to be proud of and left him/her to pursue that object of pride, honour and glory. It's part of every human being's individual/personality identity to pursue the goal and reach his/her full potential.

We are "gods" and "masters" to some extent, and possess "some form of dominion," but our purpose in life is to serve some Higher God and Master and not think of ourselves as the summit or pinnacle of our own identity.

But nevertheless, choosing to serve does not mean one loses one's spontaneity.

17th Angel · 05-05-2007, 02:25 PM

Just, that I said if you're wrong you should be accountable for the blame and if you are right you should be accountable for the praise and you agreed. So That kind of confused me... :/