London Bomb attacks! - Page 2

Mr J · 07-13-2005, 04:53 PM

I would like to view my opinions as a white Northern (UK) resident that does not pretend to know very much about the Islamic religeon. I don't particularly belive in God or have a specific faith however I am a good person and wholly respect anyones religeon or beliefs.

To my horror I was appauled to hear racial hatred yesterday by some teenage idiots in England football tops. From what I know about Islam it is about Love, respect and peace, I can only sympathise with anyone that is taunted or racially abused by people that are trying to give Islam a bad name. They are sad people. Not everyone in this country is as narrow minded.

It is fundamentaly clear that these idiots who commited the explosions last week in London are disinformed and are NOT representatives of Islam. My thoughts, respect and admiration for all Muslims in the United Kingdom will continue.

My thoughts are with the dead and injured and not forgetting the poor family in West Yorks who have just lost their son but also to find out that he was a terrorist. It must be very hard for them to come to terms with the tradgic situation.

Friend · 07-14-2005, 04:03 PM

Salaam

Mr J ,Thank you very much about your opinions and perceptions about Islam ,I think this reflect how good person are you and you have a deep feeling of humanity

Amica · 07-15-2005, 05:03 AM

Salaam/hello!

It is amazing how evil people can use religion to justify their hatred. I am originally Bosnian and Muslim. As you probably all have heard about the war, I witnessed first hand of how religion can be used to commit genocide. From a main message of Christianity--love, certain politicians in former Yugoslavia decided to make it into: revenge, hatred, something hateful. A campaign of returning 'Turks' towards the 'faith of the great grandfathers' was their mission. How they did it? Murder, rape, ethnic cleansing, nazi style concentration camps. The same strategy was used in WWII when 6 million innocent Jewish people were murdered all over the place.
Today, Islam is used to entice people into hatred. It is horrible what happened in London! I feel for all the innocent lives lost, and as a Muslim I want to offer my condolances to the families who lost loved ones! May they be in peace!
I also feel for all other innocent people all over the globe who are suffering: Muslims who have been killed and degraded in Palestine, Christians who have suffered persecution for their believes in Africa, Jews who were killed in suicide attacks, Buddhists who suffered in Tibet, etc.
I believe as people with faith in God (or any faith that a person may have) and people with conscience, we must not support anything that causes one to suffer in any way (politically, socially, economically, racially, etc), whether the person is a Christian, Hindu, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, Pagan, etc.
Peace.

I, Brian · 07-15-2005, 08:37 PM

Mentioned on the other thread:
http://www.comparative-religion.com/...ead.php?t=3301
First victim of the bombings was buried today. She was a Muslim.

Mr J · 07-16-2005, 12:42 AM

Salaam!

Peace seems to be the key word here. I'm fed up of hearing of innocent peoples lives taken away from extremists and maniacs trying to use religeon as an excuse for their evil behavior. Terrorists are not true representatives of any religeon, in any country, whatever their misguided and twisted interpretation of his or her religeon.

No religeon on this planet would ever condone terrorist acts on the innocent in the name of their cause. Alternatively, it makes me extremely sad to to see certain countries/governments acting in the way they do. They fuel hatred from their actions, bombing and murdering the innocent and all in the name of greed (oil). As an informed, semi-intelligent human being I can understand this hatred towards them however fire does not fight fire.

It has also made me aware that suicide bombs have been active for many years in the middle-east yet are less publicised in the UK media, almost secondary to the current 'celebrity' culture.

All religeons have one major thing in common, peace! If only religeons weren't so divided, the ability to embrace integratation and promote the P word (and i don't mean politics)! We may just might be able to save those who are 'lost' and 'disinformed' and one never knows, through LOVE, RESPECT and PEACE we can make a better world!

I, Brian · 07-16-2005, 01:39 AM

By the way, welcome to CR, Mr J.

Chalice · 08-14-2005, 05:09 AM

Dear friend, I am so glad that you, a muslim person, does not wish me, a christian, to be dead as Al Qeda does. I do not know why they want to blow us up in America or in London. I am a mom, I have 3 kids, and I do the best I can financially and morally. I seriously doubt I could ever be muslim, as the rules are way to hard for me, and since I live in a very hot climate in the South USA, I could never wear the clothes, I would faint. I would like it very much if the peacefull muslims would begin a grass-roots effort to re-translate the koran so that it teaches peace and leaves out the parts where those who do not convert to Islam are lost and it is ok to burn or kill them. I have many muslim friends and they have all given me korans to read from their mosques. My versions are, of course in English. I have found parts of it that surprise me. In one part the Koran accuses christian people of talking nicely to the face of a muslim, but behind his or her back, just evil gossip. I know that I would never do such a thing, i love my muslim friends (and their cooking)genuinely. I was surprised that the koran has a section on jihad, and in my version, it supports war against non-muslims as necessary, which scares me, because I do not want to switch religions. I have found a few passages that say that if a muslim can not convert someone to islam, their soul is lost anyway, so it is ok to kill them. I can not at this time "quote" text and verse for you, as I am not that familiar with the Koran, but in reading it I was surprised to find such things written about me, a christian, and it scared me- I did not feel peacefull about it at all after that. I felt frightened that if I don't convert, I will be killed.

I hope I have understood everything wrong, and desire that you sit down with your english version of the koran and re-read it. If I am wrong, please point it out to me.

I just want peace for you and me, and maybe lunch, if you will cook such nice things.

thipps · 08-14-2005, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Chalice

Dear friend, I am so glad that you, a muslim person, does not wish me, a christian, to be dead as Al Qeda does. I do not know why they want to blow us up in America or in London. I am a mom, I have 3 kids, and I do the best I can financially and morally. I seriously doubt I could ever be muslim, as the rules are way to hard for me, and since I live in a very hot climate in the South USA, I could never wear the clothes, I would faint. I would like it very much if the peacefull muslims would begin a grass-roots effort to re-translate the koran so that it teaches peace and leaves out the parts where those who do not convert to Islam are lost and it is ok to burn or kill them. I have many muslim friends and they have all given me korans to read from their mosques. My versions are, of course in English. I have found parts of it that surprise me. In one part the Koran accuses christian people of talking nicely to the face of a muslim, but behind his or her back, just evil gossip. I know that I would never do such a thing, i love my muslim friends (and their cooking)genuinely. I was surprised that the koran has a section on jihad, and in my version, it supports war against non-muslims as necessary, which scares me, because I do not want to switch religions. I have found a few passages that say that if a muslim can not convert someone to islam, their soul is lost anyway, so it is ok to kill them. I can not at this time "quote" text and verse for you, as I am not that familiar with the Koran, but in reading it I was surprised to find such things written about me, a christian, and it scared me- I did not feel peacefull about it at all after that. I felt frightened that if I don't convert, I will be killed.

I hope I have understood everything wrong, and desire that you sit down with your english version of the koran and re-read it. If I am wrong, please point it out to me.

I just want peace for you and me, and maybe lunch, if you will cook such nice things.

In general, most of what you have written has little to do with the topic. Try the site below:
http://www.tafsir.com/Default.asp
It is an explanation of the Quranic verses. This should help.
by the way, I dont know which parts you have been reading cause what you have said does not sound familiar to me. I can only understand that you have not understood what have been reading. Furthermore, it is impossible to point our your misunderstand regarding passages of the Quran since you have not quoted them.
I suggest you make a new thread in which you quote all the verses so that they can be explained to you or you can simply go through the website. Its not easy navigation as there are links to chapters but not directly to verses. anyway, a new thread would be better if you wish to continue.
regards,
thipps.

4peace · 08-24-2005, 06:00 PM

This is a big mess now....as for fear I feel it is causing more hatred then fear...which will not bring peace.

I can not see that peace will come about

4peace · 08-24-2005, 06:19 PM

To my last post..Iam a new member to this forum.

Iam a Roman Catholic. However, I do not follow, I go about my life to my own pleasure and learn from my own mistakes.

Still, the terrorists should not even be called terrorists as they are murderers! Calling them Islamic Terrorists is a huge insult to Islam. The Chiristians who retaliate (as we have seen upon Asian people and Mosque's) are just as bad as the murderers!!

For peace and unity