Mad, bad,or the Son of God - Page 5

seattlegal · 08-23-2008, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by earl

Given my earlier frame of reference, how I look at this eucharistic notion is that "to eat his flesh and drink his blood" was to fully allow oneself to be engulfed by the essence that was Jesus-in a sense letting his influence into one's being and in doing so one's mind-heart limitations are truly emptied out revealing our true Divine home and destiny which had always been there awaiting us but to which we are typically blind. Earl

I agree. The 'mind blowing' transformation is yet another part that some get confused by and call madness.

Dream · 08-23-2008, 07:03 PM

Now look what happened to those poor folks who were ready to make Jesus king: He blew them off with his thick language. He told the meanings of parables to his disciples later but left the others out. Had the blind men done anything wrong? No, but blindness was for the glory of God according to Jesus (John 9:3). These men were given parables they simply could not grasp, and the point made was that they simply did not have eyes. Contemplating the parable of Jesus' flesh drove them away, because they assumed they already understood. Its another condemnation of religious arrogance.

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John 9:15 The Pharisees again asked him how he had received his sight. And he said to them, "He put clay on my eyes, and I washed, and I see."

John 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

earl · 08-23-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by seattlegal

I agree. The 'mind blowing' transformation is yet another part that some get confused by and call madness.

Do believe "madness" occurs to the degree a mind hangs on tenaciously to its typical moorings.

earl

Quahom1 · 08-23-2008, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by earl

Given my earlier frame of reference, how I look at this eucharistic notion is that "to eat his flesh and drink his blood" was to fully allow oneself to be engulfed by the essence that was Jesus-in a sense letting his influence into one's being and in doing so one's mind-heart limitations are truly emptied out revealing our true Divine home and destiny which had always been there awaiting us but to which we are typically blind. Earl

Oh, you mean "dying" unto Christ...

earl · 08-23-2008, 08:32 PM

That would be it Q and, while I can't say I've yet "died to Christ," I've had an inkling that for some folk (me included) it can in the early throes of that feel like a literal death and that is what the mind can rebel against.

earl

Quahom1 · 08-23-2008, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by earl

That would be it Q and, while I can't say I've yet "died to Christ," I've had an inkling that for some folk (me included) it can in the early throes of that feel like a literal death and that is what the mind can rebel against.

earl

Did you think I wanted to give up me for some concept of God? Until I took a chance...that I'll never take back.

heh, the post is 777, imagine that... lol

seattlegal · 08-23-2008, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by earl

Do believe "madness" occurs to the degree a mind hangs on tenaciously to its typical moorings.

earl

I suspect that might be a good way to put it. Transformation can be quite disorientating. (Observe kids going through puberty for one example.)

Quahom1 · 08-23-2008, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by seattlegal

I suspect that might be a good way to put it. Transformation can be quite disorientating. (Observe kids going through puberty for one example.)

I think the madness is the refusal to accept the possibility that there is a God and he came here and he died and he rose and he will come again.

What, I listen to the scientists and they don't listen to me?

fine. no lo contendre.

btw this IS the christianity thread. nuff said.

seattlegal · 08-23-2008, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

I think the madness is the refusal to accept the possibility that there is a God and he came here and he died and he rose and he will come again.

What, I listen to the scientists and they don't listen to me?

fine. no lo contendre.

I'm sure that is also a possibility. There have to be innumerable possible ways a person could be tempted into madness.

earl · 08-23-2008, 10:25 PM

For me being acted upon by the Christ seems disorienting not because it asks of me to assent to any particular beliefs, but because it seems to tear me loose from any conceptual framework. I now see the notion of faith not in the typical sense of beliefs in any particular dogma but willingness to be acted upon. And that deepest form of faith seems the most difficult.

earl

Quahom1 · 08-23-2008, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by seattlegal

I'm sure that is also a possibility. There have to be innumerable possible ways a person could be tempted into madness.

Considering this is the Christian forum, your "possibility" is the "probability" and you are stepping out of bounds...here.

As such I either close the thread or move it.

Quahom1 · 08-23-2008, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by earl

For me being acted upon by the Christ seems disorienting not because it asks of me to assent to any particular beliefs, but because it seems to tear me loose from any conceptual framework. I now see the notion of faith not in the typical sense of beliefs in any particular dogma but willingness to be acted upon. And that deepest form of faith seems the most difficult.

earl

And then earl comes along...

seattlegal · 08-24-2008, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Considering this is the Christian forum, your "possibility" is the "probability" and you are stepping out of bounds...here.

As such I either close the thread or move it.

I'm sorry, Q, I should have been more clear. By "possibility" I meant that denial of God is not the only way to madness. There are also other ways to madness that people can get caught up in.

James 2:19
19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!

Tao_Equus · 08-24-2008, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Considering this is the Christian forum, your "possibility" is the "probability" and you are stepping out of bounds...here.

As such I either close the thread or move it.

My way or the highway!! You are right, it IS a Christian thread

Quahom1 · 08-24-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

My way or the highway!! You are right, it IS a Christian thread

You are indeed invited to go to any other part of this forum that you would feel more comfortable in. On the other hand, I am obliged to insure Christian thought here on "this" forum is kept sacrosanct.

v/r

Joshua