Man superior to woman?

[Sacredstar]

Dear PM

dear one

Who do you think wrote 99% of the history books pre 1900 who wrote and translated all scripture texts from all religions yep you got it men, and so it is the divine feminine as been suppressed for aeons of time and to be honest if I was a man I would not be proud of this fact. I would certainly be contemplating why there has been such injustice and do my best to rectify matters.

Your saving grace is that all men have been women in past lives so you have all suffered the same persecution and injustice which you still hold in your soul memories/miasms. So I have great compassion for you all because we are all in the same boat!

Equality in GOD's eyes.

Onwards and upwards !

Love beyond measure

Sacredstar

[Sacredstar]

Sadly the winner writes history and man was physically stronger then woman and man feared her spiritual powers hence why women were suppressed.

Also womens creation centre is nearer to the heart centre then a mans which also creates some conflict because it enables a woman to shift her energy into her heart centre much easier/quicker then a man (also due to his job to protect so the earthly instincts are naturally coming two different ends of the spectrum).

But having said that man as an incredible ability to love and when he is compelled by love to act, he is awesome and there is absolutely nothing he cannot achieve.

The power he can muster is indeed beyond measure, there really is no comparison.

Sacredstar

[Marsh]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Also, I'd like to see the "thousands of years of injustistice suffered by women" at the hands of men (historically speaking). He, he, he, for every society you present as male dominated (patriarchal), I will present to you another society being female dominated (matriarchal).

Well then, tell me which western society has been dominated by men during the last two thousand years, Quahom, because I can't think of any. Because certainly any society that has not been influenced by the book of Genesis doesn't belong in the discussion.

The injustice that I am speaking of is the way that Christian women have historically been deprived rights enjoyed by Christian men. It wasn't all that long ago that women were not considered to be "persons" under Canadian and British law. Even today women are not treated equally in the west, no matter how much we would like to pretend otherwise. And I believe the reason why is because western society as a whole is founded on Christianity as a religion, and Christianity as a religion is founded on the Bible, and the Bible has been misinterpreted by those in power in order to maintain their power.

The idea that for essentially 2000 years the west has had the knowledge of Christ and has nevertheless maintained unequal scales for the treatment of males and females is an injustice in my mind.

[I, Brian]

I remember reading a short essay a while ago (in a New Age/Pagan divination tool called "Goddess Guide Me"?) about the move of gender authority being cyclical:

Matriarchal -> Egalitarian -> Patriarchal -> Egalitarian -> Matriarchal

It referred to Men being given more power in Matriarchal society, until at some point overal control had shifted to Patriarchal.

It's interesting to note the reverse possibly happening - secular society becoming more Egalitarian.

However, with the cyclical nature of it all in mind, I constantly wonder at the possibility of a future oppressive matriarchy.

[Postmaster]

very interesting Brian.

[bananabrain]

The first fully developed account of her mythology is found in the Alphabet of Ben Sira

so, as i said and as eliezer segal says, the "popular" lilith owes more to the "alphabet" - a dubious document - and to superstition than to any reputable jewish source.

The injustice you perceive maybe in the biblical warning that after the fall, G!D allegedly stated that man (male) would rule over woman (female), and she would desire after him (seek power). However, it was written by people brought up in a patriarchal society (even that long ago).

actually, that's not how we understand it at all. the garden of eden story is about free will and what it means to be truly human, not the framework for "original sin", which is not part of our theology. ramba"n (nahmanides) notes that sexual desire did not exist until after adam and eve gained the "knowledge of good and evil" (and the verb "to know" in hebrew has an intimate, sexual connotation. in other words, the awakening of sexual desire led to the beginning of choice and the beginning of choice led to the beginning of competition and the beginning of competition led to men ruling over women. note that the text did *not* say that it was *commanded* for men to dominate women (or that it was "good"), only that it would happen - as an inevitable consequence. what i should really say is that the ma'aseh berei****, the Creation story, is probably the most complex and multilayered part of the Torah and, consequently, should not be read literally or without knowledge.

Who do you think wrote 99% of the history books pre 1900 who wrote and translated all scripture texts from all religions yep you got it men, and so it is the divine feminine as been suppressed for aeons of time and to be honest if I was a man I would not be proud of this fact.

one of the things that i find most simplistic and counterproductive is the tendency that people (particularly neopagans) have these days to suggest (based on authors such as merlin stone, anne baring and jules cashford and dug up fertility statues) that in the beginning there was this matriarchal (yet mysteriously egalitarian) utopia where everything was lovely and everyone shared everything, until the horrid patriarchal religions came along with their beards and swords and ruined everything. in short, it is an attack on the "Big Beard In The Sky", followed by its replacement with the "Big Tits In The Earth". needless to say, both are infantile stereotypes with no real basis, historical, archaeological or otherwise - the ancient goddesses were far from exclusively peace-loving and pastoral!

b'shalom

bananabrain

[KnightoftheRose]

one of the things that i find most simplistic and counterproductive is the tendency that people (particularly neopagans) have these days to suggest (based on authors such as merlin stone, anne baring and jules cashford and dug up fertility statues) that in the beginning there was this matriarchal (yet mysteriously egalitarian) utopia where everything was lovely and everyone shared everything, until the horrid patriarchal religions came along with their beards and swords and ruined everything. in short, it is an attack on the "Big Beard In The Sky", followed by its replacement with the "Big Tits In The Earth". needless to say, both are infantile stereotypes with no real basis, historical, archaeological or otherwise - the ancient goddesses were far from exclusively peace-loving and pastoral!

Lol, I was just talking to my dad about the myth of matriarchy before I read this. You put it down way better than I did...

[Sacredstar]

What evidence is there is support this quote below ?

[QUOTE the ancient goddesses were far from exclusively peace-loving and pastoral! [/QUOTE]

The peace loving communites lasted long beyond a matrichial society e.g. the Essenes, and to this day Jewish people have their own peace loving communities don't they?

"The idea that for essentially 2000 years the west has had the knowledge of Christ and has nevertheless maintained unequal scales for the treatment of males and females is an injustice in my mind."

I agree Marsh injustice and anti-love, also against the teachings of the core values of equality given by Christ but yet the CF's just will not accept or see this anti-love is anti-christ - now that is blind faith.

Love beyond measure

Sacredstar

[Faithfulservant]

lol

[Dor]

Ok one damn minute here.

I agree Marsh injustice and anti-love, also against the teachings of the core values of equality given by Christ but yet the CF's just will not accept or see this anti-love is anti-christ - now that is blind faith.

Just where in christianity do you see it say women are inferior to men, cause I must admit I might have missed it somewhere. But I think if you really want to look at the way a religion treats its women you can do a hell of alot worse than Christianity.

Im sure if you ask my fiancee she doesnt feel I put her anywhere but right beside me or above me but damn sure not inferior. Of course this is from a CF fool.

[Bandit]

I think God did create man and woman equally and to walk side by side. Woman have been very supressed through History. A woman can do everything a man can do. I think God wanted man and woman to work together. She was dominated through history most likely because she is physically weaker than man. She certainly has had to fight for the rights she has today.

The only place I see she is held lower than man is in the five fold ministry. I actually see where she is allowed to do everything in the ministry except be a pastor. For this would put the woman over the man.
It seems to me the church has made this mistake. But not all churches. She can teach, preach, minister, evangelize and do all of it except pastor.

It is clear to me that the woman was created for the man, but the man is also through the woman. It also seems clear to me that the man is the head and woman is the body.

I don't feel that man is superior to woman or that it should be that way or that it should have ever been that way. That is against the bible.
They are equal. To put the woman over the man and make her the head, would also be against the bible.

I probably wont have anything else to say about this. It often turns into a heated unhealthy discussion. I have a lot of compassion for women, I feel they do need more support and credit than they get. In some cases it seems wrong the other way around when the woman rules the household and goes over the man, that is not right either. They are supposed to work together.

I dont know. I did not make us so I just have to accept that is the way God ordained it to be.

[Faithfulservant]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Hmmm,

Woman was not taken from Man's head, to be above him, nor from his feet, to be below him, but from his side, to be equal to him. Woman was taken from under man's arm, to be protected by him, and from near his heart, to be loved by him.

Woman is life, and man is the servant of life.


Q

Q you are a poet that was beautiful I REALLY appreciate you.

[bananabrain]

What evidence is there is to support this quote below?

wurrrll....there's the eunuch priests of cybele, the dionysian maenads, the various war, hunting and destruction goddesses including bellona, kali, the morrigan, isis, nike, not to mention athene and artemis... i could go on. the only all-female society mentioned in greek myth is the amazons; now admittedly this may be a propaganda job, but it's not one of ours! i might just as well ask you what evidence there is to support the assumption that "G!D was a woman" and that the society stemming from that was "peace-loving"! certainly historians and archaeologists aren't very impressed with the arguments presented so far.

The peace-loving communities lasted long beyond a matricharchal society e.g. the Essenes, and to this day Jewish people have their own peace-loving communities don't they?

firstly, it depends on what you mean by "peace-loving". the essenes were a pretty ascetic, anti-sex, anti-pleasure bunch with a violent theology, so i doubt that their lifestyle would have been all tofu and massages. secondly, i'm not quite sure what contemporary communities you are referring to. every jewish community prays for peace and has done since the beginning of the Exile - "oseh shalom bimromaw, Hu berahamaw ya'aseh shalom 'aleinu we-al qol yisra'el": may G!D Who makes peace on high, set peace upon us and all israel, to which the more left-wing communities add "al qol bnei-adam": upon all humanity.

b'shalom

bananabrain

[Sacredstar]

One planet, one people, one heart.

Dear BB

Well I never said GOD was a woman Deepak Chopra did. Just because I quote someone doesn't mean it is my truth, I will throw a pebble in the pond just to see where it ripples out.

Well Plato talked about Atlantis but I am not aloud to discuss such things on this forum. But many people feel, have seen and experienced these times when there was a matrichial society in the sense that ALL energies were enlivened by the divine feminine 1,000's of years prior to ISIS and other GODDESS type energies you mention. I agree with you dear ISIS etc did not bring forth the best qualities of the divine feminine, in fact I will go as far as to say due to her abuse of spiritual energy humanity feel even deeper down dimensional consciousness. I consider the beginning of the fall of humanity was millennia's before ISIS was a twinkle in anyone's eye. ISIS is also not divine mother of Egypt as some claim. Egyptologists confirm Queen Mut the consort of Amen-Ra is Divine Mother of Egypt and the equivalent of our Holy Mother Mary. Hence why Karnac, the largest temple in the world is dedicated to them.

My view is that when we are in denial of the divine feminine we are also in denial of a part of GOD which is also a part of US. Hence why GOD is bringing forth the divine feminine to such a degree during these end times. To ensure that humanity regain that which as been lost down the mists of time so that we can BE whole and emanate love, light and compassion like never before.

GOD is ALL to me.

Blessings in abundance

Sacredstar

[I, Brian]

Originally Posted by Sacredstar

Well Plato talked about Atlantis but I am not aloud to discuss such things on this forum.

I hope you mean that you would simply rather not talk about it - I hope I haven't enoucraged you to feel that you are banned from discussing such subjects.