mankinds common Grave

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

according to my belief only a small number will be going to heaven to rule as kings and priests with Jesus christ,(revelation 5;10)(144,000)the rest of us , have the hope of the earthly resurrection so i dont think i will be going to heaven . i hope to have everlasting life on the earth ,not the earth the way it is now , but the paradise earth that the bible promises. so even if i die ,for what ever reason , there is a hope in the resurrection ,i am looking forward to the time when there will be no more death

I will not deride your belief. I have an opinion, no, a very strong belief, that you will be in heaven, as well as a lot more than 144,000. chosen ones.

I think the 144,000 chosesn ones will hold postitions of authority, that the rest do not. but who cares! Gate Keeper, or Judge...heaven is Heaven! We are going.

Let me be one foot past Heaven's gate, before the Devil knows I'm dead...

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[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

I will not deride your belief. I have an opinion, no, a very strong belief, that you will be in heaven, as well as a lot more than 144,000. chosen ones.

I think the 144,000 chosesn ones will hold postitions of authority, that the rest do not. but who cares! Gate Keeper, or Judge...heaven is Heaven! We are going.

Let me be one foot past Heaven's gate, before the Devil knows I'm dead...

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yes i also think they will rule over the earth .And they are to rule as kings over the earth(revelation 5;10)

(Daniel 7:18) But the holy ones of the Supreme One will receive the kingdom, and they will take possession of the kingdom for time indefinite, even for time indefinite upon times indefinite.’

(Revelation 3:21) To the one that conquers I will grant to sit down with me on my throne, even as I conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.

Luke 12:32: "Have no fear, little flock, because your Father has approved of giving you the kingdom." (These do not include all who have exercised faith; the number is limited. Their being in heaven is for a purpose.)

(Revelation 14:1) And I saw, and, look! the Lamb standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads...........so if they are in positions of kings and priests they have got to have subjectsto rule over and my belief is that those subjects will be on the earth ,and lots of those subjects will have been resurrected back on to the earthfrom the dead

John 5:28, 29: "Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice [the voice of Jesus] and come out , so persons remembered by God will be resurrected with the opportunity to live forever.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

yes i also think they will rule over the earth .And they are to rule as kings over the earth(revelation 5;10)...

Those are the 12,000 (each) from the 12 tribes of Israel...are you claiming to be one the lost tribes? Is that what your faith claims?

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[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Those are the 12,000 (each) from the 12 tribes of Israel...are you claiming to be one the lost tribes? Is that what your faith claims?

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not me i am hoping to live on the earth not heaven , but the 144000 who are spiritual jews from all nations are those ruling from heaven .revelation is symbolic for the most part , they are spiritual Jews not fleshly Jews
For he is not a Jew who is one on the outside, nor is circumcision that which is on the outside upon the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and [his] circumcision is that of the heart by spirit, and not by a written code. The praise of that one comes, not from men, but from God(romans 2;28-29)

Matt. 21:42, 43: "Jesus said to them [the chief priests and the older men of the Jews in Jerusalem]: ‘Did you never read in the Scriptures, "The stone that the builders rejected is the one that has become the chief cornerstone. From Jehovah this has come to be, and it is marvelous in our eyes"? This is why I say to you, The kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits..........so that nationproducing the right fruitage is taken from all differant nations that then make up the one spiritual nation of 144000

Gal. 3:27-29: "All of you who were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one person in union with Christ Jesus. Moreover, if you belong to Christ, you are really Abraham’s seed, heirs with reference to a promise." (So, from God’s standpoint, it is no longer natural descent from Abraham that determines who are Abraham’s seed.)

Matt. 23:37, 38: "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent forth to her,—how often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks together under her wings! But you people did not want it. Look! Your house is abandoned to you

Acts 4:11, 12: "[Regarding Jesus Christ, the apostle Peter was moved by holy spirit to say to the Jewish rulers and older men in Jerusalem:] This is ‘the stone that was treated by you builders as of no account that has become the head of the corner.’ Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved." (Although the nation of natural Israel no longer enjoys special divine favor, the way is open to individual Jews, as it is to people of all nations, to benefit from the salvation that is made possible through Jesus the Messiah.)

[juantoo3]

Kindest Regards, mee!

but the 144000 who are spiritual jews from all nations are those ruling from heaven .revelation is symbolic for the most part , they are spiritual Jews not fleshly Jews.

I was hoping this would come around sooner or later.

Look again at the 144,000. ONLY 12,000 of them are "Jews." The rest are the remnant of ISRAEL. Big difference. Even if one considers Jewish/Biblical history, and counts the tribes of Levi and Benjamin, that still only accounts for 36,000.

Please also note that the tribe of Dan is omitted, and the tribe of Joseph, long split into two "half-tribes" of Manassah and Ephraim, is now counted as two whole tribes.

Just an FYI.

So, if they are "heavenly Jews" and not Earthly, is this remnant then to be considered "Messianic Jews," when so few beyond the Jews themselves keep the "whole" law? Or does some other validation surround them? Clearly, all 144,000 cannot possibly be JW's?

[mee]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Kindest Regards, mee!


I was hoping this would come around sooner or later.

Look again at the 144,000. ONLY 12,000 of them are "Jews." The rest are the remnant of ISRAEL. Big difference. Even if one considers Jewish/Biblical history, and counts the tribes of Levi and Benjamin, that still only accounts for 36,000.

Please also note that the tribe of Dan is omitted, and the tribe of Joseph, long split into two "half-tribes" of Manassah and Ephraim, is now counted as two whole tribes.

Just an FYI.

So, if they are "heavenly Jews" and not Earthly, is this remnant then to be considered "Messianic Jews," when so few beyond the Jews themselves keep the "whole" law? Or does some other validation surround them? Clearly, all 144,000 cannot possibly be JW's?

the remnant are part of the 144000 but they are still on the earth now , the rest have already died and are now in heaven remember the book of revelation is for the most part highly symbolic and should not be taken litraly. God has taken ones to rule in the heavenly Goverment from all nations ,starting with the ones in Jesus day the early christians ,they were his witnesses then .and those part of the144000 are his witnesses now as well.those still on the earth doing his will .its taken since the early christians to gather them all .not many left on earth now,they are the chosen ones
After the first century, the foretold apostasy developed unrestrained. (Acts 20:29, 30; 2 Thess. 2:7-12) For many centuries the lamp of true Christianity burned very low. (Compare Matthew 5:14-16.) Yet, in an illustration Jesus indicated that at the ‘conclusion of the system of things,’ there would be a clear distinction between "the wheat" (true Christians) and "the weeds" (imitation Christians). The wheat, or "chosen ones," would be gathered into one true Christian congregation, as in the first century. (Matt. 13:24-30, 36-43; 24:31) Jesus also described the anointed members of that congregation as "the faithful and discreet slave" and indicated that in the time of the end, they would be dispensing spiritual food. (Matt. 24:3, 45-47) That faithful slave would be joined by "a great crowd" of true worshipers out of all nations.—Rev. 7:9, 10; compare Micah 4:1-4