Matt 13 Parables - Page 2

Quahom1 · 03-04-2005, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bandit

...So what do you all think the increase of 100fold/60/30 was about? Why such a different margin? For some reason I am only seeing it in the literal, that is from experience growing a lot of things from seeds.
Even though they are all planted purposely equally and firmly, some of the seed still does not grow-like it is missing the germination or reproduction.

Star I read yours too but that is just for one tree. I am seeing that not all the seed reproduces equally and I am wondering why. anyone else?

when you have time. Thanx

Perhaps because the seed thrown into deep rich soil, is the word of God planted in willing human hearts. All produce good results, however not everyone produces the same yield. There are the Billy Graham types who get lots of people to consider God, then there are the local pastors who nurture their parishes, and then there are people like us, who may reach others on a one to one basis.

It also seems to tie into the another parable, concerning the Master and his three servants with the "talents". When the Master returned, two of the servants ivested wisely in the treasure they had and multiplyied it by double, but one kept his treasure to himself.

Both parables and their endings lead one to think about the faithful entering the gates of Heaven at the end, and are asked, "Welcome", and who have you brought with you?"

Some of the faith may be able to say, "Well I helped influence these many..and here they are!"

Some may be able to say, "Well I helped influence these few...and here they are!"

And some may be only able to say, "Well I believed, but I didn't share with anyone else, so it is just me."

Things that make you go hmmm...

v/r

Q

Quahom1 · 03-04-2005, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bandit

...So what do you all think the increase of 100fold/60/30 was about? Why such a different margin? For some reason I am only seeing it in the literal, that is from experience growing a lot of things from seeds.
Even though they are all planted purposely equally and firmly, some of the seed still does not grow-like it is missing the germination or reproduction.

Star I read yours too but that is just for one tree. I am seeing that not all the seed reproduces equally and I am wondering why. anyone else?

when you have time. Thanx

Perhaps because the seed thrown into deep rich soil, is the word of God planted in willing human hearts. All produce good results, however not everyone produces the same yield. There are the Billy Graham types who reach out to alot of people, then there are the Priests who nurture their local parishes, and then there is you and me, who reach out to others on a one to one basis.

This parable reminds me of the end results of another with a similar theme, the Master the three servants and the "talents". One servant triples his investment, one doubles his, but the third hides his treasure and does not invest it.

Perhaps when we get to the gates of Heaven in the end we will be asked,

"Welcome!, and who did you bring with you?"

Some of the faith will say, "Well I helped influence these many, and here they are."

Some will say, "Well I helped influence these few, and here they are."

And some will say, "Well I believed, but I did not share with anyone, so it is just me."

things that make you go hmmm

v/r

Q

Sacredstar · 03-05-2005, 11:25 AM

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Sacredstar · 03-05-2005, 11:27 AM

12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

Those that give of themself (e.g. to serve), he shall receive for what we give comes back to us a 1,000 fold in the most amazing ways. The heart is for giving. Those that only serve the self from them will be taken away what they have held tightly to the self.

13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

This is about 'willingness' for if one does not have the willingness to see and hear neither can one understand. People often do not hear or see because they choose not to. Closed ears, eyes and hearts are often due to existing belief systems, rigidness and inflexibility.

14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

Again perceptions create prejudice and judgement clouding the lenses of consciousness which stops the purity of truth filtering through.

15 For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

It would be interesting to know the true root word translation of the word 'gross'. Understanding is through the intelligence of the heart not the intellect of the mind, once the heart is reached a person can be healed and this I can confirm. A closed heart is difficult to penetrate and hearts can close through pain and suffering. The Ancient Egyptians threw away the brain on death because they also said that it was the heart that was intelligent and this is now being backed up by science.

16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and when one sees beauty in all things one is truly blessed.

17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

This quote is also in the GT.

Now some of the apostles saw spirit and many other things besides this is to do with seeing, feeling and experiencing the spiritual realms. The Essenes worked with the Angels every morn and every night. It is obvious from the Gospel of Mary that Mary was clairvoyant for she had clear seeing, she could see beyond the veil and was clairaudient so she could hear when the spirit spoke to her. John the Divine also had visions.

18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. 19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. 20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; 21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

One is only offended if one as not healed the self.

22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful. 23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Now he speaks of selfishness and obstacles blocking the purity of the word. Good ground is about having good foundations this can be achieved through self healing and the raising of consciousness.

blessings in abundance

Kim xxx

Sacredstar · 03-05-2005, 12:04 PM

Dear Bandit

It is to do with the more fruit one gives the more fruit one receives.

PARABLE OF THE MUSTARD SEED

31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:

So let us consider this mustard seed is it the atoms, photons etc (I'm no scientist) which is sowed in the field which scientists call the 'field of consciousness' so just by us putting this information into the field of consciousness which was created by GOD we are having a sublimel and powerful effect on that field? Good deeds bear fruit!

32 Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

The least of all seeds is viewed this way due to us not being able to see it, but when the seed is sent out into the field of consciousness it is greater then the healing power of herbs. The seed (good deed) grows into a tree so that others may come to rest on the tree and eat from the wisdom thereof.

33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

This is interesting because both Socrates and Plato talk about the importance of 'measure' in a ethical moral society. Good measure is also about balance harmonically. The number 3 was also called the perfect number by
Pythagoras and in my understanding from the Holy spirit three is very important. So I would say that the Kingdom of Heaven is about the perfect recipe for achieving wholeness.

34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world. 36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

Again I am convinced that Jesus knew and taught the natural spiritual laws of the universe that scientists are now discovering, now he talks about the foundation of the world and the field again. The Holy Spirit told me were fools to believe the history of creation I am sure that Jesus knew the secrets gong back to the beginning of time. Brian Greene is a theoretical physicist and public champion of superstring theory being hailed as the next stephen hawking. The Times 19/02/2004 "If we are uncovering the laws of physics and that's all there is, its a noble task, if we are uncovering laws a deity put in place that's pretty exciting too"

A BURIED TREASURE
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.

All the secrets and wisdom are in the field of consciousness, once one finds the truth one as no need for material possessions and I can vouch for that, at first yes you hide it because it is the most amazing awakening and then as time goes by you take out the message just like Jesus taught the Apostles to do, you live in that field of consciousness. Funny I have saying that I use if someone is sharing truth that does not resonate, 'I don't buy that for it does not resonate with my heart and soul'.

THE PEARL OF GREAT PRICE
45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:
46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

Symbolically pearls represent wisdom, and often when one as discovered some wisdom it increases the appetite to discover more, to this end some have sold everything in search of wisdom and paid either by energy exchange through voluntary work or with money to attain it.

Blessings in abundance

Kimxxx

Sacredstar · 03-05-2005, 12:32 PM

Ok I hope you don't mind me intejecting a personal story here to explain the 100/60/30 fold.

It was GOD's will for me to go to Australia, after I was surrendered my will to GOD's will I had to sell everything to enable me to move there. A house that I had not been able to sell on and off for ten year's was sold to the very first buyer, house, businesses and all possessions were sold within four months of the request everything was wrapped up in GOD's perfect timing. It was like a speed train I could hardly keep up with the pace. While I was there all the financial assets were spent fulfilling GOD's will and the time came when I had to return to the UK with a sixteen old child penniless and homeless.

Jesus said 'child all that you have given up to come here, all that you have given will be returned to you a 100 fold, you have asked for nothing, you have not asked for anything for yourself, you have not asked for anything for your son, you have not asked for a man, it is because you are humble you shall have it all. The energy of Christ will be successful'.

BURIED TREASURE

I share this from a Muslim about the buried treasure for he sums it up far better then I. Mr Mahammad Iqbal Ahmadi from his book the 'Absolute Truth'.

1.
My motive for this height of sympathy is that I have discovered a gold mine, have had access to an unlimited supply of precious stones. In the mine I have found a bright and priceless jewel. So priceless that if I divide it between all of my fellow men, every one of them will become richer than the richest among them in gold and silver. What is this jewel? It is the true God. To reach Him is to know Him, to become really aware of Him, to have true faith in Him, to be united with Him in true love. To receive true blessings from Him in return. Having found such a priceless treasure it will be cruel on my part if I let not my fellow-men know about it. Could I let them go hungry while I have plenty. No, it will not be so, while I can help. My heart burns over their want and hunger. My soul becomes depressed over their dark and straitened existence. I want to see their homes filled with riches divine. I want to see them full with faith and truth. Full to capacity.

(Arbain No. 1, pg. 2-3)

- 1 -
What was this, do you know? This most wonderful thing which happened in the wilderness of Arabia? Spiritually dead millions became alive again in a matter of days; those without eyes began to see, those without speech began to speak the language of seers gifted with divine knowledge. This was a revolution which no eye had seen before nor had an ear heard of it before.

(Barkat-al Dua pg. 10-11)

Blessings in abundance

Kim xxx

Sacredstar · 03-05-2005, 02:51 PM

Now the 100/60/30 fold also relates to the spiritual law of attraction which is part of cause and effect and the science of being.

The more we give the more we receive.
The more positive we are the more positive conditions we attract
The more negative we are the more negative conditions we attract.
The more supreme love we are the more supreme love the world becomes.
The more condemning and judgemental we are the more the world develops this way.
The more being compassionate we are the more compassionate the world becomes.
The more being respectful we are the more we receive respect.

It is the electro-magnetics of a vibrational universal consciousness perfectly put in place.

What we sow we do indeed reap.

being love

kim xxx

Bandit · 03-05-2005, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Perhaps because the seed thrown into deep rich soil, is the word of God planted in willing human hearts. All produce good results, however not everyone produces the same yield. There are the Billy Graham types who reach out to alot of people, then there are the Priests who nurture their local parishes, and then there is you and me, who reach out to others on a one to one basis.

This parable reminds me of the end results of another with a similar theme, the Master the three servants and the "talents". One servant triples his investment, one doubles his, but the third hides his treasure and does not invest it.

Perhaps when we get to the gates of Heaven in the end we will be asked,

"Welcome!, and who did you bring with you?"

Some of the faith will say, "Well I helped influence these many, and here they are."

Some will say, "Well I helped influence these few, and here they are."

And some will say, "Well I believed, but I did not share with anyone, so it is just me."

things that make you go hmmm

v/r

Q

yah. that does make sense and it makes me go hmmmm. I think the parable of the talents do tie in with this also. One was given many talents and increased. The guy with a middle amount of talents also increased. The guy with only one talent buried it and did not increase.

The 'type' of soil does make a difference on the yield.

"Sorry Lord, but I only have leaves and twigs and no fruit"

hmmmm

Bandit · 03-05-2005, 08:46 PM

Here is what I have for WAXED GROSS.

3975 pachuno pakh-oo'-no from a derivative of 4078 (meaning thick); to thicken, i.e. (by implication) to fatten (figuratively, stupefy or render callous):--wax gross.

4078 pegnumi payg'-noo-mee a prolonged form of a primary verb (which in its simpler form occurs only as an alternate in certain tenses); to fix ("peg"), i.e. (specially) to set up (a tent):--pitch.

I liked what you put down Star, for the pearl of great price and wisdom.

Quahom1 · 03-05-2005, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sacredstar

Now the 100/60/30 fold also relates to the spiritual law of attraction which is part of cause and effect and the science of being.

The more we give the more we receive.
The more positive we are the more positive conditions we attract
The more negative we are the more negative conditions we attract.
The more supreme love we are the more supreme love the world becomes.
The more condemning and judgemental we are the more the world develops this way.
The more being compassionate we are the more compassionate the world becomes.
The more being respectful we are the more we receive respect.

It is the electro-magnetics of a vibrational universal consciousness perfectly put in place.

What we sow we do indeed reap.

being love

kim xxx

I whole heartedly agree with everything you stated, but the second to the last.

Electromagnetics is a physical law, a "tool" of GOD in creating this place, a "tool" for man to improve (said with tongue in cheek), this place. Electromagnetics has no consciousness, nor self awareness, for it is not alive.

One can not take away from GOD what is GOD's and give it to an inanimate object, or concept, or law, or tool. One can not credit a "tool" for what GOD has done.

My body is electrochemical. Does that make me electrochemical? No, I'm me. I use an electrochemical medium in order to express myself here and now (live here).

GOD uses all of the laws He created to express Himself, here, there, now, yesterday, tomorrow.

Why am I harping on you with this electromagnetic thing? Because that law does not apply in quantum physics. Which means it is limited...GOD, however, is not.

Oh, I know I make you mad sometimes Sacred, but you love me anyway...

v/r

Q

Quahom1 · 03-05-2005, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bandit

yah. that does make sense and it makes me go hmmmm. I think the parable of the talents do tie in with this also. One was given many talents and increased. The guy with a middle amount of talents also increased. The guy with only one talent buried it and did not increase.

The 'type' of soil does make a difference on the yield.

"Sorry Lord, but I only have leaves and twigs and no fruit"

hmmmm

Oops, I forgot to mention, there are those of us who have sharp steel, which is used to sharpen another's steel, and thus the Word is honed down to a fine form.

En Garde! et Touche!

v/r

Q

Quahom1 · 03-05-2005, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bandit

Here is what I have for WAXED GROSS.

3975 pachuno pakh-oo'-no from a derivative of 4078 (meaning thick); to thicken, i.e. (by implication) to fatten (figuratively, stupefy or render callous):--wax gross.

4078 pegnumi payg'-noo-mee a prolonged form of a primary verb (which in its simpler form occurs only as an alternate in certain tenses); to fix ("peg"), i.e. (specially) to set up (a tent):--pitch.

I liked what you put down Star, for the pearl of great price and wisdom.

What haven't y'all ever had "swimmer's ear" ? The wax builds up so thick that one must take very warm water and salt and pour it into the ear (that burns, let me tell you), in order to dissolve the wax. If you don't, the ear can infect, plus listening to voices is like hearing through a concrete wall...all you hear is muffled sounds.

But when it is over, hearing takes on a crystal clarity all its own...

v/r

Q

Bandit · 03-06-2005, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

What haven't y'all ever had "swimmer's ear" ? The wax builds up so thick that one must take very warm water and salt and pour it into the ear (that burns, let me tell you), in order to dissolve the wax. If you don't, the ear can infect, plus listening to voices is like hearing through a concrete wall...all you hear is muffled sounds.

But when it is over, hearing takes on a crystal clarity all its own...

v/r

Q

Yep. i had my ears cleaned a couple of years ago. You know with that warm water and some chemical (not salt because it did not burn, not sure what the doc used) it was a whole bucket of nasty laundry lint and concrete rocks that came pouring out.
Man, did that ever feel good afterward. Crystal Clean.
Only Jesus could relate such a thing to our spiritual ears.

Sacredstar · 03-06-2005, 12:07 PM

Dear Q

I will get back to you on that one when I have more time.

Dear Bandit

The 'seed' is the Christ Seed of Love that as been growing for 2,000 years within the hearts of man. So yes wax gross would make a lot of sense because the Christ seed of divine love could not enter hearts that were closed, with thorns due to unforgiveness etc hard hearted or waxed gross with an unwillingness to love others and GOD unconditionally. How many ask GOD for help and not thank GOD for the daily blessings we receive. Every day is a miracle and a demonstration of GOD's love.

Which reminds of this quote from Archangel Michael in 2002.

"This next decade will be remembered as the one when the light of spirituality swept the planet with its forgiveness, love, and compassion. A time when people from all faiths unite and accept that there is one GOD, one source, one creator and one way to honor your sacred planet. God is love and love is GOD in every blade of grass, every drop of rain, every flower that blooms you can see and feel this love. Some of you are rushing to gain knowledge like it is the last day of your life and others are sitting back on their laurels but it is those that move gracefully and walk gently towards the goal, will attain it and achieve all that you set out to do."

So one could say Christ was adding more love to the field of consciousness through teaching supreme love of self, others and above all else GOD. Teaching others how to become beings of love and light, to achieve perfection and be like GOD intended in GOD's image and GOD's way of love.

Through self mastery and self love we are able to love beyond measure for what we are, we are able to give beyond measure.

Coming home to love through making peace with the self is coming home to GOD. For the soul needs a sanctuary of peace to reach its fullest potential and BE LOVE in manifestation on the earth plane.

GOD is love and love is GOD and LOVE is the way to live LIFE forevermore.

GOD IS ALIVE WITHIN OUR HEARTS WHEN WE ALLOW THIS ALIVENESS TO MANIFEST IN ALL ITS GOODNESS and GOD said "it is GOOD".

Blessings in abundance

Kim xxx

wil · 03-05-2007, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bandit

...I think what I am seeing is, there was nothing different about the disciples understanding than the crowds. It was a matter of the Apostles would go first. Even the apostles realized what he was doing.

It is the same thing today. Anyone can understand it if they want to....So what do you all think the increase of 100fold/60/30 was about? Why such a different margin?

My thoughts as well, why do we keep thinking some of the lessons were just for the desciples?

And the end question applies ot the former statement and the earlier portions of the parable. The value and increase of the fruit depends on where that fruit lands, who digests it, and where those seeds are spread. Just becuase if falls on fertile ground (open and interested minds) the first time, doesn't mean that when it sprouts and grows that in the next go round it won't be find itself back amongst the thorns or rocks.

Now the interesting thing to me, is that just because the birds take the seed away...doesn't mean it doesn't end up in fertile ground someplace else...often times we never know the affect of our words or thought, they appear to be ignored, but they just may have affect miles from that location.

And even falling amongst rock and thorns...the blessing about spreading seeds is they may lay dormant for years waiting for water and nourishment and may just sprout at the right time as well....when the pupils are ready...