Microbes

[wil]

Originally Posted by mee

yes ,Pasteur’s research into fermentation enabled him to conclude that the majority of problems of contamination in the food industry were caused by microbes.
Microbes were present in the air or in improperly washed containers.

pasteurization, which Pasteur patented, revolutionized the food industry.

Actually he realized the germ was not the main thing to be studied

Originally Posted by chakraman

"the microbe is nothing, the terrain is everything." louis pasteur...

Yes, why do 1/3, 2/3, 9/10 of those infected live, that is the question. What makes our immune system compromised

Originally Posted by mee

human tampering with ecology has weakened the globe’s immune system, fostering conditions favorable for microbes.

Darn Eve.

[chakraman]

i like the innuit story you may have heard, (forgive my lack of fireside charm!)...

the innuit were hungry and so the earth mother reached into a hole in the ice and pulled out the caribou. the innuit hunted the caribou and were provided with food and fur to keep them warm. eventually the caribou became sick with disease and there numbers dwindled and so the earth mother reached back into a hole in the ice and pulled out the wolf, the wolf hunted the caribou and killed and ate the old and weak. this kept the caribou strong and all prospered.

for me this story indicates the necessity of bilogical stress in order to keep a species strong, it may even be a pre requisite. one interesting idea i read was that of rudolph steiner, he claimed that after measles the body's nervous system is stronger as it has developed the necessary strength to throw off the virus and that rubella (i think it was) was responsible for strengthening the bones.

i personally think the "war" on microbes is the wrong approach alltogether. when ever you read about them its in terms of "germs" or "invaders" and general battle talk instead of trying to understand their purpose. you see the adverts on t.v. with knights in shining armour galantly charging accross the worktops in your kitchen as you spray the deadly chemicals allover the gaff and save the day. its marketing and they create a problem and then offer a solution, but this creates a mindset in some that there is a war to be had. they are natures cleaners, they are only there when they are needed to break something down.

i think maybe in the scientists entered into the topic with a reverence for our little friends and the most important jobs they perform they may have a greater capacity to understand and deal with them instead of setting out to destroy, destroy, destroy! jason

[mee]

Far from being defeated, well-known killer microbes returned with a vengeance! In addition, other deadly microbes surfaced—microbes previously unknown to doctors. Thus, microbes both old and new are on the rampage, threatening, afflicting, or killing countless millions of people worldwide.

[wil]

Thanx again mee, your cut and paste abilities are amazing.

I agree chakraman, if we want to live thru the next plague it is about taking care that we are ready and not concentrating on extermination of that which exists around us.

In the US a couple years ago the gloom and doom department was freaked that they didn't have enough vaccine for the latest flu, and it was a doozy, gonna get us all. So 80% of the people that would have got it, didn't get it. What did we get? A record low incidence of flu.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by greymare

My Microbes Are Pickled In Whiskey. Lol.

Didn't you get the leaflet????

Here you go...

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Yeah sure....

Alcohol can;
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Damage;

Brain
Liver
Kidneys
Hearing
Heart
Intestines
Stomach
Throat
Pancreas
Human nerve system
Human carrying fetus

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Cancer of the;
Mouth
voice box
Pharynx
Oesophagus (throat)
Breast cancer
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Also causes;

High blood pressure (oh yummy a portion of heart failure/diesase please....)
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Screw that though Mee eh? It's pleasing to the taste!

....... I'll stop just there... And you people look down on me for toking weed.... Shame on you and your holy book.

[chakraman]

Originally Posted by mee

human tampering with ecology has weakened the globe’s immune system, fostering conditions favorable for microbes.

i agree, but i would add that human tampering with the ecology of the body, i.e. antibiotics etc, has also fostered an enviroment favourable to microbes. point being that mollycoddling the immune system with vaccines and chemical warfare has had the opposite affect to the one intended. instead of strengthening it has weakened us. not forgetting that the cells of the human body are very similar to microbes and so it would seem obvious that the conventional medicine approach of killing by use of toxic chemicals is harmful. the antifungal nystatin is now associated with tissue and organ damage because of this fact.

Originally Posted by mee

Far from being defeated, well-known killer microbes returned with a vengeance! In addition, other deadly microbes surfaced—microbes previously unknown to doctors. Thus, microbes both old and new are on the rampage, threatening, afflicting, or killing countless millions of people worldwide.

hi mee,
look at the words they use enough to strike the intended fear into you. the war is in there heads fuelled by the trillion dollar lies fear packaged by the pharmaceutical industry. everyone knows that using drugs to "combat" microbes leads to stronger microbes, but its the only thing they know so they will just make stronger more toxic chemicals that like their predecessors won't work and only make the situation worse. they are creating the very problem they are setting out to "conquer" because the emphasis is "war" and not understanding.

i'm of the feeling that to understand a topic like this, or any other come to think of it, you have love it and care for it so that it reveals its whys and wherefores, if there is a hate or war mentality then that itself will prevent understanding. microbes are cooooooool man , even the so called "germs", atb jase...

i had a quick look at the jw site, a few interesting opinions on health like avoiding household chemical cleaners etc, i thought was well said.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by chakraman

look at the words they use enough to strike the intended fear into you.

*chuckles*

[greymare]

i told you once, and Ill tell you again,Whiskey cures (and kills) everything. hic. lol

[17th Angel]

I was only yanking yah chain...


Oh does your chain hang lo?
Do it wobble to the flo?
Does it shine in the light?
Is it Platinum? Is it Gold?
If ya hot, to make ya cold.
Do your chain hang lo?

[mee]

Originally Posted by greymare

i told you once, and Ill tell you again,Whiskey cures (and kills) everything. hic. lol

or a spot of brandy
yum yum

[mee]

whyAre New Diseases Emerging?

With all the knowledge and assets possessed by modern medical science, why are killer microbes proving so difficult to defeat?

One reason is the increased mobility of today’s society.

Modern transportation can quickly make a local epidemic global.

Jet travel makes it easy for a deadly disease to move, harbored inside an infected person, from one part of the world to any other part of the world within hours.

[chakraman]

Originally Posted by mee

whyAre New Diseases Emerging?

With all the knowledge and assets possessed by modern medical science, why are killer microbes proving so difficult to defeat?

One reason is the increased mobility of today’s society.

Modern transportation can quickly make a local epidemic global.

Jet travel makes it easy for a deadly disease to move, harbored inside an infected person, from one part of the world to any other part of the world within hours.

so much fear=no understanding...

also surely once you have antibodies to a disease it can't harm you and your immune system is stronger. what you... correction, they who know best, postulate as bad will actually strengthen mankind imo, j...

[wil]

Namaste mee,

I know you are the king of the cut and paste, but that is becoming the king of copywright violations, an infraction that could cause legal problems for both you and this site. Please be careful to recognize your sources.

Chakraman asked you a direct question, even complimented the JW site and you responded with a cut and paste I believe from Revenge of the Microbes??

Why Are New Diseases Emerging?
With all the knowledge and assets possessed by modern medical science, why are killer microbes proving so difficult to defeat? One reason is the increased mobility of today's society. Modern transportation can quickly make a local epidemic global. Jet travel makes it easy for a deadly disease to move, harbored inside an infected person, from one part of the world to any other part of the world within hours.

The addition of some enter key clicks does not make it your own. If you insist in not providing a minute of your time to answer in your own words, please identify the sources of your cut and pastes.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by wil

legal problems for both you and this site.

That is the key part... Sure it is a shame we don't get to meet Mee. We cannot welcome him as a human, a brother... We simply have to sit here and just watch whatever stuff he decideds to copy off their site and paste here... But he could cause major issues for Brian... Think about it he has been here how many years? He must have pasted the entire site to this site by now... And If something was to happen he wouldn't be the only one held accountable sadly... But, hey I've been trying to get him to meet us and become a human not just wt.org...

[mee]

Originally Posted by chakraman

so much fear=no understanding...

also surely once you have antibodies to a disease it can't harm you and your immune system is stronger. what you... correction, they who know best, postulate as bad will actually strengthen mankind imo, j...

the problem is that people do die from microbes it is a fact of life at the momment

some of the insects and the microbes they carry have developed resistance to the insecticides and medicines used to control them.

This natural process of adaptation has been given a boost, not only by overuse of insecticides but also by misuse of medicines.

"In too many poor households," states the book Mosquito, "people obtain the medicine, use just enough to ease their symptoms, and then hoard the remainder for the next wave of illness." With such an incomplete cure, the stronger microbes may survive in a person’s body to produce a new generation of drug-resistant offspring.