Moderator against Member Religion against Religion

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

I have had some long running heated, sometimes personalised, 'debates' with a few of the Mods here but not one of them has ever pulled the Mod Card on me.

I wonder if you had a religion if that would be the same...

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by path_of_one

I think so.

Hmmm I don't. I could point out many a thread where this obviously isn't the case. But, perhaps it's just me....

[greymare]

Originally Posted by LenoBee

I have been watching this forum for the last 90 days and have observed the attitudes of people very well before joining.

1) Certain moderators, have a bad habit of attacking new members for their views when they disagree with it in a rude attempt to change their views by harassment, insulting their views and telling them their views are wrong or not allowed by challenging them to debate then pulling the moderator card on members when they are losing the debate and disagree. They are like the fish in the tank that nip and bite at all the other fish. That does not mean all moderators do this. What it means is some moderators are ignorant.
2) Moderators who do not allow members to express their views the way they wish to express them without harassing them and filing false accusations against them. Then they cannot understand why members bite back.
3) It appears to happen every day. Yes? Exalting their self to an eminence front, higher than what really is, in an indirect way silencing through intimidation.
4) Is this how this forum has always operated? Submit or be cast out? Perhaps some members need to go back to when they first joined to remember how it really is? I know my experience has been way below the expected value.
5) Certain Moderators, engage in a dialog with members then swiftly change their position from round member to pointy finger moderator when they are losing the debate and wear their puffy crowns flexing their muscles and again silence the members through deliberate insults. This is in fact a type of cyber harassment that I am expecting new law to appear in some states within the next couple of years to protect members on forums, blog, texting and all public places on the Internet.
6) Like any place with such politics, there will always be a need for the people to vote out those in self-serving, egocentric and stagnant office positions.
7) This forum with moderators against members fully expresses religion against religion, rather than a comparative religion. The real issues are not allowed to be addressed, keeping everyone dancing around the issues as if they do not exist while it is OK for moderators to offend and mock members. Members are made to look like criminals for giving their view.
8) The areas that are for those people like myself who are outside of a religion, are also used by those who are within a religion, which is not really correct because the people outside of the religion are there because they don’t want to hear what is in the religion it to begin with. Members are chased out of the religion area to use the belief and comparative area and the moderators chase the members who are freethinkers, or known as godless, thus rarely allowing opposing views to flourish. Typical of religion.
9) I am certain none of this will change. It is what it is. The forum leaders reflect the owners’ views and bias on how to treat others who strongly disagree by attacking with the pathetic straw man excuse instead of addressing valid points. I have not personally met the owner but have lived long enough to know how these pyramid schemes operate. The forum preaches tolerance yet itself is not tolerant of certain views. There is nothing different about the bias of this forum than the bias of any other religious or political forum.
10) It took me less than two weeks to see all of this after confronting Darear for his behavior toward another member. Then challenges me to debate him, avoids the dialog requested, then he throws a temper tantrum with the moderator card to silence me, instead of addressing the issues properly. Ban me. That will render your powerless over me.
11) Of course the moderators here who bully are always right and could never make mistakes and all of the members who disagree are wrong. How quickly the daggers and fangs appear is astounding. It reminds me of a cyber gang hiding in a dead end alley.
12) I am certain I have noticed that some moderators are actually very kind and do not misuse their authority and have shown compassion with all fairness allowing other views to be heard in the manner they wish to give it. Please keep in mind, I conclude that not all of the moderators here need an adjustment. I have not had an honest chance to meet them all and I find it impossible that the obvious problem here could be a cloned thing. Political Yes. Cloned hopefully Not.
13) We will not all agree on this and naturally members/moderators who are friends will come to their defense to take the witness stand. I did notice these same complaints while sifting through other posts. I know I am not alone on these issues.
14) This is a time for those of you who have been harassed and treated disrespectfully by a particular moderator(s), to speak up with constructive advice or forever hold your peace. Or in the words of one moderator, LEAVE. I would not expect any changes. While the forum title exclaims without bias, a bias has been displayed.
15) Perhaps if these select, mean and bullying moderators would keep quiet themselves for awhile they could actually do a good job, which is to moderate the members who quarrel with each other, instead of being the person starting the quarrel attempting to topple all who disagree.
16) I may be an old lady. I am not a stupid old lady. I am however too old to really care about what anyone else thinks about this. Please go right ahead and speak your mind the way you wish to say it and don’t be afraid. If I am here today and gone tomorrow, makes no difference to me. Have I wasted my time with this? Probably. Good Day, Sherri

Umm Sherri, what is your point. ?
Are you unhappy?
No one really is concerned wether you are an old lady or a young man (or both, in some cases(Tao)) lol.

Moderators are just that, and guess what? some are even human. Whatever your beef is,either do something about it or..................
BUILD A BRIDGE, HONEY AND GET OVER IT.

love the Greymare.

[greymare]

oops i meant that moderators are moderators. lol.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by greymare

Umm Sherri, what is your point. ?

Did you read her post? Her points are in there.. And many are valid.

[greymare]

sorry, to me its just a whinge. Wahhhhhhhhhhhh.
That was totally discourteous of me, sorry. Ill think ill go post on another forum about how ive been treated..........................

[17th Angel]

Yeah you do that......

[Vajradhara]

Namaste LenoBee,

thank you for the post.

did something change between the time of your observation and the time of your posting? you mention that you observed the members of the forum for 90 days prior to joining (though i may have misunderstood) and decided to join. given the nature of this post i have to wonder if these same things were already evident during your observation and, if so (given your feelings on the matter), what compelled you to join?

metta,

~v

[path_of_one]

Originally Posted by Alex P

Hmmm I don't. I could point out many a thread where this obviously isn't the case. But, perhaps it's just me....

Well, I would suggest to people two things...

1. There is a handy dandy "report post" function to use for any posts with which there is a perceived problem. I know you know about this Alex, so I would recommend that you use it when you feel a moderator should be moderated, the same way you use it when another member should be moderated. But I state it for everyone else here, as they may not realize there is this function.

2. There is the recourse to complain to Brian. As Brian indicates, he has received one complaint in 3 months. If you don't like how the board is functioning, or you have trouble with moderators, etc.-- PM or email Brian. He's the guy who pays for all this and spends inordinate hours making it work and he is the primary decision-maker.

As I indicated, in this thread alone we have two opposing complaints already- one for less moderation, one for more. Is it any surprise that we are rather limited in our capacity to make people happy?

I think what might be important to remember is that this is a discussion board. It's wonderful, it's a great way to talk about important issues, it's fun. It's also not the be all, end all to life. This isn't your government, your religious authoritative body, or your workplace. If it doesn't run perfectly according to your needs, isn't that to be expected? I know that all other organizations in my life don't run perfectly according to my own desires! And at least our imperfect governance doesn't result in economic downsizing, wars, or religious tailspins. Perspective, people-- perspective.

[LenoBee]

Originally Posted by path_of_one

Well, I would suggest to people two things...

1. There is a handy dandy "report post" function to use for any posts with which there is a perceived problem. I know you know about this Alex, so I would recommend that you use it when you feel a moderator should be moderated, the same way you use it when another member should be moderated. But I state it for everyone else here, as they may not realize there is this function.

2. There is the recourse to complain to Brian. As Brian indicates, he has received one complaint in 3 months. If you don't like how the board is functioning, or you have trouble with moderators, etc.-- PM or email Brian. He's the guy who pays for all this and spends inordinate hours making it work and he is the primary decision-maker.

As I indicated, in this thread alone we have two opposing complaints already- one for less moderation, one for more. Is it any surprise that we are rather limited in our capacity to make people happy?

I think what might be important to remember is that this is a discussion board. It's wonderful, it's a great way to talk about important issues, it's fun. It's also not the be all, end all to life. This isn't your government, your religious authoritative body, or your workplace. If it doesn't run perfectly according to your needs, isn't that to be expected? I know that all other organizations in my life don't run perfectly according to my own desires! And at least our imperfect governance doesn't result in economic downsizing, wars, or religious tailspins. Perspective, people-- perspective.

I never suggested more or less moderation.
Neither of those options are viable in this situation. Your moderator at fault needs to admit it, then we can move forward. The only thing to do was to make it public. I have nothing to gain by going to one policeman and telling him that another policeman on the same force is harassing and insulting me me, nor would it help me to see the district attorney in private. I was not born last week. I do have something to gain by making it public knowledge and hiring an attorney. That may bring others forward to strengthen a valid case.

[LenoBee]

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

Namaste LenoBee,

thank you for the post.

did something change between the time of your observation and the time of your posting? you mention that you observed the members of the forum for 90 days prior to joining (though i may have misunderstood) and decided to join. given the nature of this post i have to wonder if these same things were already evident during your observation and, if so (given your feelings on the matter), what compelled you to join?

metta,

~v

You are correlating two things together that have nothing to do with this.

[LenoBee]

Some of you are masters of deflection. This has turned right back into making the new members and members look like the only bad people when there are indeed times when those in office also need correction. If you are going to point out the flaws in members then you need to be willing to point out the same flaws in the moderators and they need to be able to accept it and acknowledge it. If you expect the members to abide by the COC then your moderators need to set the example.

[LenoBee]

Originally Posted by path_of_one

Hello-

Don't de-rail threads over and over. Try to stay reasonably on topic rather than using another poster's thread for an ongoing conversation or debate on some unrelated or very marginally related issue. This is in respect to the original poster and to keep things decently organized so people can find the topics that are relevant to them.


Peace,
Kim

Originally Posted by dauer

Yeps I've done the same thing before when I noticed I started getting off topic.

-- Dauer

Originally Posted by Alex P

Is this also being enforced within the moderator circle?

This is exactly where it started. I was told that I must debate the moderator. Against my own will, I created the debate and he could not address the issues and slapped the moderator card on me. If a moderator is going to challenge a member to debate, then he needs to address the issues and he has no business challenging them as a moderator. I told the moderator as did the other member, he was completely off track and going the opposite direction with the topic. He could not tolerate being told he was in the wrong and from that point forward he has attempted to accuse and harass me. I wont stand for it! The other member has not been back since.

[LenoBee]

Originally Posted by greymare

Umm Sherri, what is your point. ?
Are you unhappy?
No one really is concerned wether you are an old lady or a young man (or both, in some cases(Tao)) lol.

Moderators are just that, and guess what? some are even human. Whatever your beef is,either do something about it or..................
BUILD A BRIDGE, HONEY AND GET OVER IT.

love the Greymare.

Insulting people does not build bridges.

[17th Angel]

That is cause the other member was banned....