Mumbai

[Nick_A]

Originally Posted by c0de

Seems like you already thought of an answer.

Post it on the Ezra thread and I will point out
the flaw in it. Or maybe you have not yet
completed the thought... 2 B continued--

Point out the flaw? You may be a reincarnation of an ex wife since many have that down to a science.

[c0de]

Originally Posted by Nick_A

Point out the flaw? You may be a reincarnation of an ex wife since many have that down to a science.

I just did on the other thread. It involves circular reasoning on your part.

[Nick_A]

Originally Posted by c0de

I just did on the other thread. It involves circular reasoning on your part.

Heh, heh, heh, we shall see. Remember that I believe the source to be outside time and space and you are referring to a personal God for some reason concerned with the societal morality of sleeping humanity on earth.

[c0de]

Originally Posted by Nick_A

Heh, heh, heh, we shall see. Remember that I believe the source to be outside time and space and you are referring to a personal God for some reason concerned with the societal morality of sleeping humanity on earth.

Then you have misunderstood what I am referring to.

[Nick_A]

Originally Posted by c0de

Then you have misunderstood what I am referring to.

Perhaps so please clarify on the Ezra thread. Would the events at Mumbai be possible for conscious beings?

[Nick_A]

Originally Posted by c0de

Guys... this game is much bigger then India or Pakistan,
or the US and the Saudis... Lets examine the issue shall we?

(With an appropriate soundtrack of course)
Muse - Map of the Problematique
YouTube - Muse - Map Of The Problematique





(NOTE: You will not find the following chart on CNN)






INCIDENT >-------------------------> CAUSE


Mumbai Blasts >-------------------> "Islamic" extremists
"Islamic" Extremists >--------------> "Wahabis in Saudi Arabia"
Wahabis in S.A. >-----------------> The Saudi Royal Familly
Saudi Royal Family >---------------> The Sykes-Picot Agreement
Sykes-Picot >---------------------> WWI
WWI >----------------------------> The Alliance System
The Alliance System >-------------> Economic Imperialism
Economic Imperialism >-------------> Materialism



For those who have not read the following, please
go to amazon.com and pick these up:

A Peace to End All Peace: The Fall of the Ottoman Empire
and the Creation of the Modern Middle East. by David Frompkin

A Brutal Friendship: The West and the Arab Elite. by Said K. Aburish.

There are a lot of others, but mostly they all just give you the basics
Once you have the essentials... I have one more recommendation ...
for those that are really prepared to stare into the abyss, read the following.
(If it doesn't change your perspective, let me know and I will personally
refund your money that you spent on the book, even the shipping and handling.)

The Pentagon of Power - The Myth of the Machine, Volume Two
by Lewis Mumford.

OK, you tell me. Was the store employee kileed because of materialism or the prestige it represents? Is this really an expression of conscious humanity in action?

Worker dies at Long Island Wal-Mart after being trampled in Black Friday stampede

[c0de]

sigh.... A whole page of this good thread wasted...

[greymare]

I havent been watching the news lately. and Now i know why......
Fair dinkum, does it never end......
What do the innocent bystanders/ tourists/everyday people have to do with the terrorists???????/ Nothing, they are easy targets...unarmed,...easy targets.
Man, what freaking cowards these fellas are....
Thats all I got to say about it...........Cowards

[greymare]

Oh, i just watched the latest news here.

So these COWARDS killed a rabbi, his wife and children.
oh, yeah, this really proves how powerful they are.............. NOT.
Their parents should be so proud. (that was sarcastic by the way....)
Im really angry about this.............

[17th Angel]

It proves they are burdened by a stupid hate of another group.... This, is not a reaction because of indian army this... The indian army that... This is a group of racist, grudful hateful souls..... These are not muslims... They know not ONE thing about islam....... The religion they claim, doesn't claim them..... They are false and giving the true muslims a harder time.....

It is a vicious cycle... They cause others to begin to blindly hate another group... People target muslims because of people like this.... They are a shame to their families, their religion, their people....... And their god. May he offer guidance and forgiveness......

[c0de]

Last night, about an hour before I went to bed I heard my friend's sister in Mumbai and got shot in the arm. She's in the hospital, apparently it was a non-lethal wound (thank God!)... The guy and his familly are Anglican christians.

The Marriott blast in Islamabad that happened last month or so, destroyed the living room windows of my cousins house which is located accross the street from the hotel. My familly is Muslim.

One of the people I know who has become a good friend over the past couple of months lives in Baghdad... Iraq. And we can't even imagine what his life is like...

For those of us who have friends and familly in South Asia, Middle East etc.... well, lets just say it gives the whole "uncertainty principle" of quantum mechanics a very new and personal meaning. But one thing I definitely know for certain: These people have no religion. They don't even have "hate"... You have to have a heart to have hate. All they have in their cold blood is politics... and I know, for CERTAIN they will get what is coming to them!

[17th Angel]

I have many friends (well something like 7) that as children (they are in their teens now.) Ran away from the east on their own and travelled to here. England. The stories they share are unreal, I couldn't even imagine getting up at the age of 14 and just running away across the earth to a country I have no prior knowledge of or an understanding of their language... Very brave... But, A shame there is that "push" moving them from their homes....

[c0de]

Originally Posted by Alex P

I have many friends (well something like 7) that as children (they are in their teens now.) Ran away from the east on their own and travelled to here. England. The stories they share are unreal, I couldn't even imagine getting up at the age of 14 and just running away across the earth to a country I have no prior knowledge of or an understanding of their language... Very brave... But, A shame there is that "push" moving them from their homes....

Yea a refugee's situation is much different from an immigrant's. The person I know in Baghdad is trying to get the hell out somehow. There is a chance he will be allowed to get to the US...

You know, its so wierd. He was telling me the other day that he and his wife went to the "Green Zone" for their interview with the UN which might get them exported to the US (God Willing). And he said that its was surreal... like as soon as they got past the gates, it was a different world... like they had just taken a Suburban setting straight from New Jersey or something and dropped it in the center of Baghdad... and then raised high walls around the whole place so Iraqis couldnt see how well the Americans were living... The embassy itself was HUGE, and there was some Buffet going on for the higher ups... he said there was soooOOOO much food that he and his wife just kinda went eyes wide and couldnt believe it... it was funny he said.. I mean the EXTRAVAGANCE!

and right in the middle of HIS city! where people are getting blown apart right outside the damn gates of the "green zone"....

[Nick_A]

Originally Posted by c0de

sigh.... A whole page of this good thread wasted...

It won't be wasted if you come to see that these events leading to the incident at Mumbai weren't caused by anything but rather just a part of a continuing process. They reveal the human condition that will always perpetuate them. Nothing will change because everything is as it is because we are as we are. Mindless killing is what it is whether in a department store or in India. The solution isn't telling people what to DO but in coming to deal with what we ARE. But this is not politically correct and too insulting to consider in this day and age so IMO chances of any change are extremely slim.

[c0de]

Originally Posted by Nick_A

The solution isn't telling people what to DO but in coming to deal with what we ARE.

There is no solution Nick... Get over it.

The chances aren't "extreme slim"... they are non-existent.