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01-01-2005, 08:11 PM
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Re: Muslim Religion
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mirrorinthefog
I agree with you when you say that its not always reasonable to apply gender roles in todays society.. for economic or social reasons.
Tell me if Im wrong but I believe that Christianity and Islam share the belief that God assigned men and women their roles during creation. Even though Eve committed the first sin, God placed the blame on Adam because Eve listened to the serpent and acted with her emotions whereas Adam should have used his mind and reasoned that the act was wrong.
I think that the two faiths also share the belief that women should not be leaders over men for the purpose of balance in the relationship between the two. I know there is a lot of debate over this issue in christianity because women believe that their liberation means that they are the same as men.. confusing their right as being equals to men with the natural predisposition for being softer and more emotional.. nurturers.
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Hello, Faithful
I'm neither Christian nor Muslim, so my concept of "God" is not the Judeo-Christian interpretation. I don't believe in original sin, let alone that Eve commited it (at the same time, I haven't read anything in the Qur'an to verify that Eve was the one who committed this "sin" and God blamed Adam to patronize Eve because she was "behaving emotionally". That is hardly an excuse for anything, in my humble opinion.) Furthermore, predisposition and action are not the same thing. Being inclined towards something is not behaving with that inclination, and one should not treat another simply based on their perceptions of the person's iniclinations and how we assume the person will behave.
I don't think I should have to sit at home and produce one child after another simply because I am capable of it, and I shouldn't be treated as if I should do so. If at some point a woman wishes to raise a family, that is entirely her perogative. Reason and free will play more of a role in our lives if we allow it to, and nobody has a right to impose their ideas of who another person should be. We are people, not body parts.
Unfortunately the whole "predisposition" thing has been used over the centuries to define and seperate not only men and women, but human beings from human beings. Racist propoganda argues the same thing...Because certain races are supposedly "inclined" to have certain advantages/disadvantages over others, or people from a certain country are "inclined" to behave one way or another, an entire laundry list of conclusions are drawn about someone before s/he has an opportunity to prove himself/herself as a person-not as a label.
All I'm trying to say is, tradition is fine, and someone who believes her place is primarily with her family is welcome to do so and raise her family as best she can. But, in my opinion, she has no right to impose her way of life on her own children, or try to force other people into what she believes their role in life is. I don't agree that God made me for the sole purpose of following the footsteps of my mothers' from centuries ago, and behaving as if I were still living in an agrarian society. I believe that as humanity progresses, we determine our own destinies to fit it.
Again, just an opinion...
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01-02-2005, 06:53 AM
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Re: Muslim Religion
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Originally Posted by mirrorinthefog
Hello, Faithful
All I'm trying to say is, tradition is fine, and someone who believes her place is primarily with her family is welcome to do so and raise her family as best she can. But, in my opinion, she has no right to impose her way of life on her own children, or try to force other people into what she believes their role in life is. I don't agree that God made me for the sole purpose of following the footsteps of my mothers' from centuries ago, and behaving as if I were still living in an agrarian society. I believe that as humanity progresses, we determine our own destinies to fit it.
Again, just an opinion... 
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Salaam
mirrorinthefog,in my replies I said"Generally" ,So i'm speaking about the average of the people not all. we can see woman is better than man in some cases which were considered man tasks and vice versa but the natural positions represented in the generally common attitudes.
I think the average of the women have the tendency to build family and to practice the role of the mother .
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01-02-2005, 08:49 AM
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Re: Muslim Religion
Dear Friend,
I am aware of what you said. My point is not to chastise someone for wanting to practice their view of what is correct. My objection is to fossilizing traditions into rigid laws and disregarding all alternative practices on the basis of one, very broad statement. The rights of "some", I believe, should not be sacrificed or compromised dangerously for the sake of "most".
My appologies if I wasn't able to relate my viewpoint clearly. I'm not trying to offend anyone's beliefs, I'm offering an opinion, which you are more than welcome to disagree with.
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01-02-2005, 11:50 AM
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Re: Muslim Religion
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I think you mistake me Its not a law of God its more like a formula we follow to achieve a marriage with God as the head of. The purpose of the forumla is to avoid marital problems. Of course there are situations where this formula cant be followed exactly.
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01-02-2005, 11:50 AM
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Re: Muslim Religion
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Originally Posted by mirrorinthefog
Dear Friend,
I am aware of what you said. My point is not to chastise someone for wanting to practice their view of what is correct. My objection is to fossilizing traditions into rigid laws and disregarding all alternative practices on the basis of one, very broad statement. The rights of "some", I believe, should not be sacrificed or compromised dangerously for the sake of "most".
My appologies if I wasn't able to relate my viewpoint clearly. I'm not trying to offend anyone's beliefs, I'm offering an opinion, which you are more than welcome to disagree with.
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My friend,
I'm agree with your point .Also it is coincide with my religious tenets .
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01-02-2005, 12:45 PM
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Re: Muslim Religion
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Originally Posted by Faithfulservant
Tell me if Im wrong but I believe that Christianity and Islam share the belief that God assigned men and women their roles during creation. Even though Eve committed the first sin, God placed the blame on Adam because Eve listened to the serpent and acted with her emotions whereas Adam should have used his mind and reasoned that the act was wrong.
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Sister Faithfulservant, Assalam-o-Alaikum,
According to Islamic/Quranic teachings, Adam and Eve (Peace be upon them both) are blamed equally. Furthermore, if you read the Qur’anic text of the different instances where this story is mentioned, you will understand that they both repented and they both were forgiven. God is Oft-Forgiving and Most-Merciful. T he Qur’an speaks about the story of Adam and Eve (peace be upon them) in atleast two places that i can recall at the moment.I am sure there are more. For example, you can read Ch.# 7 : Verse # 19 to 27.
I would like to add, in connection with what i said above, that Islam/Quran teaches very clearly that everyone is responsible for thier own actions.
35:18. Nor can a bearer of burdens bear another's burdens if one heavily laden should call another to (bear) his load. Not the least portion of it can be carried (by the other). Even though he be nearly related. Thou canst but admonish such as fear their Lord unseen and establish regular Prayer. And whoever purifies himself does so for the benefit of his own soul; and the destination (of all) is to Allah.
( Yusuf Ali's Quran Translation)
Hope this clears things up.
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01-02-2005, 01:03 PM
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Re: Muslim Religion
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I stand corrected.
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01-03-2005, 07:12 PM
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Re: Muslim Religion
Salaam thipps,
thank you for the post and the thoughtful reply.
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Sister Vajradhara, Assalam-o-Alaikum,
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not a "sister" either
for the sake of our discussion, let's presume that i am genderless and let's take my ideas on their own.
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Yes, i have understood your question now.
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good sometimes it's hard to ask the right question.
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An important thing to note is that Islam believes in equality of men and women – ‘Equality’ does not mean ‘Identicality’. One must accept that they are different.
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i've no argument with this view. our view is that all beings are of differing capacities, though all beings are equal, not identical, so it would seem that we agree on this basic view. good 
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In the same fashion, taking the example that since Allah has given man more physical strength – Suppose, a thief enters the house, will the man say, ‘I believe in women’s rights’ - will the man tell his mother, his sister and his daughter, to go and fight the thief?’
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one of the problems with using an example like this is that i know many women that are much stronger than most of the men that i know. they are, after all, body builder type people.
i think it's a bit facile to say that "men are stronger than women" and leave it at that. sure, some men are stronger than some women and some women are stronger than some men.
often, it seems to me, that humans draw more distinctions than actually exist between the genders.
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Lets take another example where it comes to giving respect to the parents. The children are supposed to respect the mother 3 times more than the father. Please see the following hadith.
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thank you for the Ahadith postings. i should state, at this point, that my understanding of Islam is restricted to Al Qur'an alone. the subject of Ahadith is far too involved for me to be able to determine which are authentic and which are not. i'm aware of the field of scholarship associated with the research and validation of each Ahadith.
i, however, am not able to make these determinations and thus, rely upon Al Qur'an alone.
i've come to understand that i won't be able to have a proper understanding of Islam unless i include the Sunnah and the Ahadith. that is something that i will simply have to accept.
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Thus, similar to the example of the two students stated above, Islam believes in equality, not identicality between men and women. They are overall equal in Islam. If you understand this, then specific situations are much easier to understand. Please keep the example in your mind and then, Inshallah [God-Willing], you will understand why out of necessity and practicality, the following rulings are followed. Now regarding your question:
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fair enough.
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1. She recites the Azaan and Iqaamah for a group of men only, or for a mixed group of men & women. This is not prescribed in Islam and her Azaan and Iqaamah for a group of men do not count.
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could you elaborate a bit on this please? many people will be confused by the terms and their significance.
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It is permissible for her to recite the Azaan for a group of women or for herself but it is not like the case with men in terms of requirement. For men, it is more emphatically required, whereas for women, if they give the Azaan it is permissible, and if they do not, it is also permissible. If a woman does recite the Azaan, she must keep her voice low and make it just loud enough for her companions to hear.
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why is this so? why must the womans voice be hushed and whispered when she recites the Azaan?
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With regard to a woman leading the prayers and acting as an Imaam, one of the two following scenarios may apply:
1. A woman leading men, or a mixed group of men and women. It is not correct for a woman to lead men in prayers at all, regardless of whether it is a fard (obligatory) prayer or a naafil (supererogatory) prayer. In salaah, we adopt several postures, like Qayam, Ruku and Sujud i.e. standing, bowing and prostrations, respectively. Now, if a woman leads the congregational prayers (only men or a gathering of men and women) and does these various actions in front of the men, it will cause ‘disturbances’ in the prayers. During prayer, we are supposed to concentrate on God, not on the women.
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i must confess that this seems rather strange to me. it rather seems like Allah views men as being barely restrainable lustful animals that will be provoked by even the barest hint of females.
perhaps, this is more of an indictment regarding Muslims rather than a prohibition regarding Muslimahs?
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This was the action of the Sahaabi women, and the more correct view is that this action of the Sahaabi women is to be taken as proof because there is no text narrated to the contrary. Furthermore, if a woman is leading only one other woman in prayer, she should stand as a man stands with one other man.
Hope this answers your question.
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how does a man stand with one other man? very interesting, thank you for the response!
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01-03-2005, 07:50 PM
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Re: Muslim Religion
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Mirror
I think you mistake me Its not a law of God its more like a formula we follow to achieve a marriage with God as the head of. The purpose of the forumla is to avoid marital problems. Of course there are situations where this formula cant be followed exactly.
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Hello Faithful,
My appologies for not understanding you correctly.
My arguement is that this formula need not be followed at all, that one can achieve happiness without necessarily having to fit the prescribed standards
Kind regards
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01-03-2005, 11:27 PM
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Re: Muslim Religion
Assalam-o-Alaikum,
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Salaam thipps,
thank you for the post and the thoughtful reply.
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You are most welcome.
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not a "sister" either
for the sake of our discussion, let's presume that i am genderless and let's take my ideas on their own.
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Your questions and ideas are taken on thier own regardless of your gender. I was being proper as Islam requires me to be.
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one of the problems with using an example like this is that i know many women that are much stronger than most of the men that i know. they are, after all, body builder type people.
i think it's a bit facile to say that "men are stronger than women" and leave it at that. sure, some men are stronger than some women and some women are stronger than some men.
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The purpose of the "men are stronger than women" example was just that.. an example. Please do not take it as an absoulte. there are always exceptions as you, in this case, pointed out the body-building women. They are exceptions, not the rule. If you do not simply agree with the point of men being stronger than women physically[in general], then please think of anything where men have a degree higher than women. It will serve the same purpose. I anticipated that you or someone else reading this might think this way and that is the reason i specificaly wrote in my previous post the following:"[You can make up your own example/scenario if you like]"
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thank you for the Ahadith postings. i should state, at this point, that my understanding of Islam is restricted to Al Qur'an alone. the subject of Ahadith is far too involved for me to be able to determine which are authentic and which are not. i'm aware of the field of scholarship associated with the research and validation of each Ahadith.
i, however, am not able to make these determinations and thus, rely upon Al Qur'an alone.
i've come to understand that i won't be able to have a proper understanding of Islam unless i include the Sunnah and the Ahadith. that is something that i will simply have to accept.
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This should not restrict me atleast. I cant explain everything to you in detail if you make me restrict myself in such a manner. And yes, the hadith is authentic. i noticed that i forgot to write the name of the hadith book in the reference. This particular hadith is in Sahih Bukhari.
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could you elaborate a bit on this please? many people will be confused by the terms and their significance.
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I knew many ppl would not understand the terms 'Azan' and 'Iqamaah'. Thats why i wrote thier meanings right next to the first mentioning of these words. Please read my original post. It is there.
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why is this so? why must the womans voice be hushed and whispered when she recites the Azaan?
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What you are asking is Why a certain order has been prescribed in a particular situation. I think its cause of the same reason that it would distract men. But I will get you the correct answer after i have asked a scholar. So, please consider what i have written as a probable answer only.
By the way, if you feel that this is unfair to women, then why did you not ask about the fathers who are getting 3 times less respect as compared to the mothers? I urged you initially to keep the original example of the two students in mind. It provides the basis for understanding everything. Sometimes men will get more, sometimes women will get more. simple. The reason is, again, that they are NOT identical.
When i was writing all these details, i knew there would be more and more questions and i also knew i would not be able to answer all of them. But that isnt a reason for me to not write. I do not know the answer to your question. Please understand that i am just a layman and not a scholar, so I dont have all the answers at all times. I will ask someone and yes, this will take time. If there is a mosque near to where you live, please ask there.
23:71. If the Truth had been in accord with their desires, truly the heavens and the earth, and all beings therein would have been in confusion and corruption! Nay, We have sent them their admonition, but they turn away from their admonition. ( Yusuf Ali's Quran Translation)
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i must confess that this seems rather strange to me. it rather seems like Allah views men as being barely restrainable lustful animals that will be provoked by even the barest hint of females.
perhaps, this is more of an indictment regarding Muslims rather than a prohibition regarding Muslimahs?
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Its for best results. Furthermore, just to elaborate on this, i would like to say:
Please look at the fingers on one of your hands and you will notice that all of them are different.
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how does a man stand with one other man? very interesting, thank you for the response!
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In this particular case, both men stand next to eachother with the Imam(one who is leading the prayer), standing on the left and slightly ahead. say, half a foot would be fine. Two women praying together will do exactly the same.
Although i have described it, you will probably have to see it to get the best understanding.
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01-04-2005, 01:01 AM
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Re: Muslim Religion
Dear thipps,
What makes these restrictions law, since they are not explicitly mentioned in the Qur'an? If someone chooses not to obey them, are they considered non-Muslims? Where does it stop? If, for example, I drop something on the street, am I not allowed to bend down to pick it up, lest a man should walk by and misunderstand? What if I sing? Is that forbidden also? Who decides where the line is drawn, if the Qur'an is not enough to determine the rules?
Forgive me if these questions seem a bit harsh, my intention is not to be intrusive or cause any offense. I'm just trying to understand the reasoning behind these limitations.
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01-04-2005, 03:39 PM
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Re: Muslim Religion
Salaam Thipps,
thank you for the post and the thoughtful reply.
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Your questions and ideas are taken on thier own regardless of your gender. I was being proper as Islam requires me to be.
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my experience with Muslims, in general, is that my gender often plays a determining role in how my ideas are viewed. this is simply my experience and does not reflect on Islam, as a whole. perhaps it was my bad luck to have lived in an Arab, Muslim country.
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This should not restrict me atleast. I cant explain everything to you in detail if you make me restrict myself in such a manner. And yes, the hadith is authentic. i noticed that i forgot to write the name of the hadith book in the reference. This particular hadith is in Sahih Bukhari.
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well... sure, i wouldn't expect that you would be able to explain everything in detail anyway. this restriction upon relying only upon Al Qur'an is mine and mine alone, though i understand that there is a movement within the Ummah that is taking this view as well... that is not my concern.
as i say, my source of Islam is Al Qur'a and Al Qur'an alone. as a Muslim, i realize that you have two other sources to form your views.
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I knew many ppl would not understand the terms 'Azan' and 'Iqamaah'. Thats why i wrote thier meanings right next to the first mentioning of these words. Please read my original post. It is there.
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ok...
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What you are asking is Why a certain order has been prescribed in a particular situation.
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absolutely.
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I think its cause of the same reason that it would distract men. But I will get you the correct answer after i have asked a scholar. So, please consider what i have written as a probable answer only.
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of course
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By the way, if you feel that this is unfair to women, then why did you not ask about the fathers who are getting 3 times less respect as compared to the mothers?
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? er... if i feel that something is unfair to women, why would i ask about something related to men? [/quote]
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I urged you initially to keep the original example of the two students in mind. It provides the basis for understanding everything. Sometimes men will get more, sometimes women will get more. simple. The reason is, again, that they are NOT identical.
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this is not something that you really need to emphasize to me... i'm well aware that sentient beings are of differing capacities. however, the issue most assurdly isn't simple.... well... at least from my point of view
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When i was writing all these details, i knew there would be more and more questions and i also knew i would not be able to answer all of them. But that isnt a reason for me to not write.
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that's the nature of them, to be sure
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I do not know the answer to your question.
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fair enough.
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If there is a mosque near to where you live, please ask there.
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i have, which is why i'm seeking other views. i didn't really care for the view that was put forth there.
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Its for best results. Furthermore, just to elaborate on this, i would like to say:
Please look at the fingers on one of your hands and you will notice that all of them are different.
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it certainly depends on ones' perspective. if i seek to find differences, i will be successful. if seek to find commonalities, i will equally be successful. it really just depends on what you are wanting to accomplish, division or unity. as for me... i'm more interested in unity than division.
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In this particular case, both men stand next to eachother with the Imam(one who is leading the prayer), standing on the left and slightly ahead. say, half a foot would be fine. Two women praying together will do exactly the same.
Although i have described it, you will probably have to see it to get the best understanding.
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thank you for the explanation
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01-05-2005, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by mirrorinthefog
What makes these restrictions law, since they are not explicitly mentioned in the Qur'an?
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Assalam-o-Alaikum,
The word Shari`ah [Islamic Law] causes a lot of confusion in the minds of people. Most people think of it as something hard-and-fast and inflexible. This is far from true.
There are four widely recognized sources from which the Shariah took shape: (1) the Qur’an; (2) the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace be upon him); (3) ijmaa` (consensus of opinions among those well versed in Islamic jurisprudence); and (4) qiyas (logical or analytical deduction). Of these, the first two provide the foundation and the latter two are methods of forming acceptable religious opinions.
There is also another thing which needs to be clarified here and that is known as Ijtihad. I will talk about this a bit later.
Please note that Quran is the primary source and Hadith is the secondary source.The Holy Quran confirms what was revealed to earlier messengers of God and serves as the Criterion of right and wrong. It is considered the Word of God.
The Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad  refers to his sayings and actions, his approvals and disapprovals.He was the living breathing Quran. The Sunnah is collected in books separate from the Holy Quran and are known as Hadith books.While the Holy Quran is 100% Word of God revealed to the Prophet, not every Hadith is authentic. Early Muslim scholars have classified hadith into various categories ranging from different levels of authenticity to false hadith.
In short, ijtihad is a valid Islamic mechanism to make the society vibrant and progressive. It is quite relevant when we are not able to find a clear directive in the Qur’an and the Sunnah on a modern problem. For instance, test-tube babies, organ donation, and cloning are current issues in science on which one needs to know the Islamic ruling. The word, ‘ijtihad’ means effort, basically. But in Islamic studies, it signifies research, or specifically, the intellectual effort required to find out the Islamic ruling on a contemporary problem or situation. It is this provision of ‘ijtihad’ that makes Islam relevant for all times. On the basis of the fundamentals given, the scholars study the question before them and arrive at a ruling. The “doors of ijtihad” signify the opportunity for such research and reasoning, to arrive at conclusions. Certainly, ‘ijtihad’ clearly shows the practicality and viability of Islam in the contemporary world as well as in the future. As ijtihad itself was taught by the Prophet (peace be upon him), it is a provision in the Sunnah itself; and we must not lose sight of the Qur’an and the Sunnah when we apply ijtihad to modern issues. In other words, ijtihad must never be an attempt to overreach the fundamentals laid down in the Qur’an and the Sunnah.
Islam's universality means that Islam is all-encompassing and thus extends beyond the boundaries of climate and across all differences in race, language and culture. The open and comprehensive character of Islam is inherent in its Divine origin as being a gift from Allah designed for human nature.
Its all-inclusiveness as a macro-system of Divine purpose for all life makes Islam relevant to address all life’s problems and calamities. The legal systems, analytic framework or paradigm of this religion, known as the Shariah makes it possible for scholars, using Ijtihad, to apply it through Qiyas (analogical deduction) or Istihsan (Juristic Preference) and Maslaha Mursalah (Public Interest).
George Bernard Shaw understood this vitality of Islam and said:
"I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and, in my opinion, far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today." [George Bernard Shaw, THE GENUINE ISLAM,Vol. 1, No. 8,1936]
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If someone chooses not to obey them, are they considered non-Muslims?
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It isnt that easy to declare someone a non-Muslim. Actually hadith point to the fact of being extremely careful of this matter. We have a free will, if we do not follow a certain teaching of Islam, then it is a sin. simple. One should repent and ask forgiveness. We should never think that God will not forgive our sin(s). God knows that we are weak. God is Oft-forgiving and Most-Merciful.
Islam is truely a way of life. It gives guidance in all spheres and in all situations. It does not start and stop at the mosque. I must point out here that Islamic Law ALWAYS takes into account the surrounding circumstances. Islam deals with the general situations as well as the special. The ruling changes according to the situation.I could give examples but the post is already quite long.
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If, for example, I drop something on the street, am I not allowed to bend down to pick it up, lest a man should walk by and misunderstand?
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Ofcourse you can pick the object up. it is yours. If, by chance, a misunderstanding does occur, you can explain. simple.
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What if I sing? Is that forbidden also? Who decides where the line is drawn, if the Qur'an is not enough to determine the rules?
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i think you do not want answers to these specific questions, you are asking these questions to convey the importance of your point. so, i will not answer them here [if you wish answers for these, then plz ask again or create a seperate forum for that]. As i said before, Islam is a way of life and gives guidance in all spheres.there is no line here. We do not feel completely lost when new problems come up cause we know Islam will give guidance in it.
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Forgive me if these questions seem a bit harsh, my intention is not to be intrusive or cause any offense. I'm just trying to understand the reasoning behind these limitations.
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There is no need to oppologize. Your questions are very welcome and it is your right to ask.
One thing i would like to say is that Shariah aims to give human beings guidance at all times and in all situations for best results in this life. please do not view these laws/limitations/restrictions as negative. It is for our own good. God knows us better than we know ourselves.
P.S. I am not feeling well. May God forgive me if i made some mistake in my explanation.
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01-05-2005, 08:58 PM
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Re: Muslim Religion
Dear thipps,
Thank you for your answers thus far.
As for the questions you did not answer, I wouldn't have asked them if I didn't want answers to them, whatever the answers may be to me, and I thought my final paragraph underlined that quite clearly. Please don't twist my words. If you do not wish to answer them, I will respect your wishes. You have only to say so.
The restrictions you've explained here are something of a puzzle to me, I admit. I don't think personally that they are either needed or for some greater good. But then again, I am not required to obey them, so I have no reason to view them as negative. If someone wishes to obey these rules and believe they are for the best, then I can say nothing against that person. They are following what they believe is the right path.
One more question, if you don't mind:
Did Muhammad allow or ask for his actions to be recorded by others for future use, alongside the Qur'an? Did he explain why or how they were to be used?
As always, you don't have to answer if you find the question offensive. I'm simply curious, but I can find the answers elsewhere or start a seperate thread for the subject if it would make you feel more comfortable.
Peace.
PS: I hope you feel better soon.
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01-06-2005, 09:30 PM
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In the Name of God
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Jordan
Posts: 579
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Re: Muslim Religion
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=mirrorinthefog]Dear thipps,
Thank you for your answers thus far.
As for the questions you did not answer, I wouldn't have asked them if I didn't want answers to them, whatever the answers may be to me, and I thought my final paragraph underlined that quite clearly. Please don't twist my words. If you do not wish to answer them, I will respect your wishes. You have only to say so.
The restrictions you've explained here are something of a puzzle to me, I admit. I don't think personally that they are either needed or for some greater good. But then again, I am not required to obey them, so I have no reason to view them as negative. If someone wishes to obey these rules and believe they are for the best, then I can say nothing against that person. They are following what they believe is the right path.
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AlSalaamu Alyckum all
mirrorinthefog, Islam give woman her respect, Islam want men to deal with the humanity of woman not with her looks .also the rules of Islam give people the chance to be far from problems that may be corrupted the society like doubt that destroyed the familial bonds, treason ,doing bad things (sins ),crimes ….
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Did Muhammad allow or ask for his actions to be recorded by others for future use, alongside the Qur'an? Did he explain why or how they were to be used?
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I think our prophet mohammed didn't ask for that , even his friends was warn about that because they afraid about the Qur'aan status ,Also Muslims may confuse or mix between Hadith(Mohammed (PUH) words or actions)and Qur'aan at that time .
but we all as Muslims know that our prophet Mohammed is our ideal person ,and we must learn from him how to act and react in this life ,also our God command us to follow our prophet in every thing he advised us to do because Allah protected him from the influence of Satan .Hadieth or Sunnah is the second source of our Islamic rules .
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