must religion come to an end?

[_Z_]

has religion come to an end?

simple question, difficult answer. in my mind i think people will probably want religion of some kind for a long while yet, this is more an intellectual/wisdom question.

i think religions agree and contradict each other on many levels, without believing in a single one it is easy to get confused. in the end it seams like it would be better if i went through life as if there were no religions.

as long as i can look life in the eye and see what it is thinking, i can find my own answers.

how do you feel; must religion come to an end?

[Sean H.]

I believe that religion continues on forever and forever because man is continually in need of God's guidance.

[_Z_]

yes in that way the essence of religion shall always be. however the mere fact that we are all here debating and agreeing with each other on many points, rather than preaching means that religion is ending!

it is the idea of having a given set of ideas, god in a box - so to say, which has come to an end.

[wil]

Originally Posted by _Z_

it is the idea of having a given set of ideas, god in a box - so to say, which has come to an end.

Where has it come to an end? It is flourishing. I'm just guessing but as an industry I'd say that religions have one of the highest revenues, which industries are higher. I'd say they own more land than any other industry. I'd say they get more people to show up to class, mass, work, worship than any other industry. And yes despite all that they have more people telecommuting, that don't show up to the temple, mosque, synagogue, church, monastery, but still contribute and take part online, on television, over the phone, on the radio, or even through the mail...receiving their info and sending in the revenue.

Maybe you have information that would show I'm wrong, that aerospace or defense or automobile industry is higher, but I think in anyone's chart with the categories discussed above religion is in the top 10 as 50% of the world are still adherents and far from dead, far from ending it is going strong.

[_Z_]

wil, hi

i could say capitalism is coming to an end, yet it is still the biggest force in the world. this is not really what i mean, i am considering it on an intellectual basis - most people are interested in aspects of other religions and are generally becoming more expansive. so the lines are becoming more vague and idea merging, in the end where will this take us?

forgive me for saying this but i find the idea the religion is a massive ‘industry’ to be most abhorrent!
don’t you think jesus would have agreed?

[wil]

Originally Posted by _Z_

forgive me for saying this but i find the idea the religion is a massive ‘industry’ to be most abhorrent!
don’t you think jesus would have agreed?

Yes I do, but do you see my analysis as wrong? Is it not an industry? Salvation at a price, find me the discount broker. Find me the church that says, don't buy our stuff, don't fill our coffers, you can do this by yourself.

Find me the missionary that says you don't need to come to our church, just be a good person, read this book, and follow these guidelines. Call me if you need a hand, but don't send money, that would be abhorrent. abhorrent doesn't build cathedrals, money does, billions. trillions of it.

[bob x]

Maybe you have information that would show I'm wrong, that aerospace or defense or automobile industry is higher

For some reason this reminds me of Meyer Lansky's famous quote about the Mob, "We're bigger than U.S. Steel!"

[mee]

Originally Posted by _Z_

has religion come to an end?

simple question, difficult answer. in my mind i think people will probably want religion of some kind for a long while yet, this is more an intellectual/wisdom question.

i think religions agree and contradict each other on many levels, without believing in a single one it is easy to get confused. in the end it seams like it would be better if i went through life as if there were no religions.

as long as i can look life in the eye and see what it is thinking, i can find my own answers.

how do you feel; must religion come to an end?

well as a bible student , i can see that false religion will come to its end. and that is why Gods people are told to GET OUT OF HER revelation 18;4

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by _Z_

has religion come to an end?

Sadly not, but it is decreasing... Thank god lol... Lovley pun eh?

Originally Posted by _Z_

how do you feel; must religion come to an end?

It will end, and it will be such a freaking awesome time when it does.... Sadly I will not be alive to see that day....

[wil]

Originally Posted by bob x

For some reason this reminds me of Meyer Lansky's famous quote about the Mob, "We're bigger than U.S. Steel!"

lol, just goes to show the difference in social education, your quote reminds me of the Beatles about their popularity, "We are more popular than Jesus!"

So I looked it up and found the whole quote and how appropriate it was to this thread. Oh it shook up the masses, record burnings, KKK got excited, preachers saying anyone that listens them can't come to church (talk about missing the bible lessons!)

"Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink. ... We're more popular than Jesus now; I don't know which will go first-rock 'n' roll or Christianity. Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. It's them twisting it that ruins it for me."....Lennon held a press conference in Chicago, at which he attempted to make amends. "I'm not saying that we're better or greater," he said, "or comparing us with Jesus Christ as a person or God as a thing or whatever it is... I wasn't saying whatever they're saying I was saying. I'm sorry I said it really. I never meant it to be a lousy anti-religious thing. I apologize if that will make you happy. I still don't know quite what I've done. I've tried to tell you what I did do but if you want me to apologize, if that will make you happy, then OK, I'm sorry."

His retraction and apology was as bad as Imus's or Michael Vick's.

[bob x]

Jesus Christ as a person or God as a thing or whatever it is...

Oh that's a hoot!!!

[mee]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Sadly I will not be alive to see that day....

why not ? the end of false religion is only the start of the great tribulation
putting ourselves in a place of concealment now will prove to be most beneficial.

The Great Tribulation

In the major fulfillment of Malachi’s prophecy, “the day of Jehovah” is a period of time characterized by “great tribulation.” Jesus foretold: “Then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.” (Matthew 24:21) Think of the distress the world has already seen, especially since 1914. (Matthew 24:7-12) Why, World War II alone took over 50 million lives! Yet, “the great tribulation” will see calamities that will dwarf such troubles. That event, the same as the day of Jehovah, ends with Armageddon, bringing to a close the last days of this wicked system.—2 Timothy 3:1-5, 13; Revelation 7:14; 16:14, 16.

.First to go will be all false religion.

[_Z_]

mee

i can see that false religion will come to its end

exactly what i meant in the title of the post - except that all religion is false!

universalism is truth [another thread for another day]

17th
yes i agree it could be great. it would be better still if people stopped finding differences to believe in!

[dauer]

_Z_,

I don't think a discussion can really be had until you give your definition of religion.

-- Dauer

[_Z_]

hi dauer, long time no see mate.

I don’t think a discussion can really be had until you give your definition of religion.

god defined!

if we take examples of definitions of god and his interactions with the world then limit this to a given set, then this to me is what religion does.

however i don’t think religious people do that so much, especially these days.


a mystic jigsaw puzzle:
after much pondering over the years, i have gone from one mystic notion to the next. it seams that one thing connects to another irrespective of religion, i think all mystic elements are connected across cultures and faiths. it is as if humanity was handed it all out in sections all around the world - now we just have to put it all together.

here we see how all religion can be a religion itself, in which case the argument would be somewhat null and void - as long as we continue to accept from all sources

thanks