Name of God

[mansio]

Yes, the kohen ha-gadol, the high priest, knew the pronunciation and was allowed to pronounce it once a year. It was a taboo to all the other Jews. So why should they hand it down orally to each other?

If the OT is the "letter" of the Bible, let's go on talking about letters.

[mee]

so here is another favourite two verses

(Ezekiel 36:23) ‘And I shall certainly sanctify my great name, which was being profaned among the nations, which YOU profaned in the midst of them; and the nations will have to know that I am Jehovah,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, ‘when I am sanctified among YOU before their eyes

I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have observed your word...John 17;6............yes Jesus made Gods name manifest and so should the followers of Jesus christ.

Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things....matthew 28;19-20

[Quahom1]

Let's keep the name of God to its own thread and favorite bible quotes to its own thread...thanks.


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[mee]

so have i missed it, where is the favourite verse thread gone. oh just found it again no worries

[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Let's keep the name of God to its own thread and favorite bible quotes to its own thread...thanks.


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but what if my favourite verses are about Gods name

[mansio]

Mee

If the name of God is such an important matter to you why do you give a wrong name to God ?

When you read English you know that many words aren't pronounced as they are written. For example in "written" you don't pronounce the "w", but you pronounce it in "word".

In the Hebrew Bible the spelling corresponds to the pronunciation, except for the name of God.

The massoretes, when they added the short vowels to all the words of the OT (which was unvoweled as modern Hebrew and Arabic is), didn't give the right vowels to Yhwh because it mustn't be pronounced according to their belief.
They added the vowels of Adonay or Elohim instead to signal to the readers that they had to switch to those replacement names.

European scholars in the Middle-Ages didn't know that as they thought Yhwh in the Hebrew Bible had its own vowels.
Hence the wrong pronunciation "Yehovah". The Latin alphabet at that time pronounced the "J" as a "Y".

[mee]

[quote=mansio]Mee

If the name of God is such an important matter to you why do you give a wrong name to God ?

When you read English you know that many words aren't pronounced as they are written. For example in "written" you don't pronounce the "w", but you pronounce it in "word".

In the Hebrew Bible the spelling corresponds to the pronunciation, except for the name of God.

The massoretes, when they added the short vowels to all the words of the OT (which was unvoweled as modern Hebrew and Arabic is), didn't give the right vowels to Yhwh because it mustn't be pronounced according to their belief.
They added the vowels of Adonay or Elohim instead to signal to the readers that they had to switch to those replacement names.

European scholars in the Middle-Ages didn't know that as they thought Yhwh in the Hebrew Bible had its own vowels.
Hence the wrong pronunciation "Yehovah". The Latin alphabet at that time pronounced the "J" as a "Y".[/QUOTE its because the name of God is important that i do not try to hide that name, the Jews very early on allowed a superstition to hide the name , just because others are led along to do that does not mean that we are all led along the wrong path to do that .Jehovah will always have a people for his name even if others obscure the name .just as i do not say yeshua but in english i say Jesus ,
Yeshua (or perhaps Yehoshua). It certainly was not Jesus.

it is the same with Gods name in english it is Jehovah

Must we stop using the name of Jesus because most of us, or even all of us, do not really know its original pronunciation? So far, no translator has suggested this. We like to use the name, for it identifies the beloved Son of God, Jesus Christ, who gave his lifeblood for us. Would it be showing honor to Jesus to remove all mention of his name in the Bible and replace it with a mere title like "Teacher," or "Mediator"? Of course not! We can relate to Jesus when we use his name the way it is commonly pronounced in our language.

Similar comments could be made regarding all the names we read in the Bible. We pronounce them in our own language and do not try to imitate the original pronunciation. so we say "Jeremiah," not Yir·meya´hu. Similarly we say Isaiah, although in his own day this prophet likely was known as Yesha`·ya´hu. Even scholars who are aware of the original pronunciation of these names use the modern pronunciation, not the ancient, when speaking about them.

And the same is true with the name Jehovah. Even though the modern pronunciation Jehovah might not be exactly the way it was pronounced originally, this in no way detracts from the importance of the name. It identifies the Creator, the living God, the Most High to whom Jesus said: "Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified."—Matthew 6:9.

[mansio]

Mee

In Exodus 20:7 is written :"Do not take the name of Yhwh your Lord in vain".

How can you consider it a superstition to abide by that commandment ?
Your use of your name of God could also be deemed a superstition, and anyone obeying God's commandments would be superstitious.

I agree with you that the name Jehovah, although unexact, has been established by English religious and literary tradition.
How about the other languages then ? If every language is supposed to follow its own literary tradition (if it has any) then God will have as different names as they are different languages.

[BlaznFattyz]

although there is a true name of god that was given to moses, i believe we have a our best guess of YHWH and its translations. but the name of god is more than saying father, or god, or jehova--all different languages but on the same page, not so. it is the connotations behind the name. in christianity; god, jesus christ, and the holy spirit are one.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mansio

Mee

In Exodus 20:7 is written :"Do not take the name of Yhwh your Lord in vain".

How can you consider it a superstition to abide by that commandment ?
Your use of your name of God could also be deemed a superstition, and anyone obeying God's commandments would be superstitious.

I agree with you that the name Jehovah, although unexact, has been established by English religious and literary tradition.
How about the other languages then ? If every language is supposed to follow its own literary tradition (if it has any) then God will have as different names as they are different languages.

Actually, the Name of God "YHWH", was never meant to be spoken at all. Yet we justify breaking the law of God's private name, just like we break everyother rule...to suit our personal desires...

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[mee]

Originally Posted by mansio

Mee

In Exodus 20:7 is written :"Do not take the name of Yhwh your Lord in vain".

How can you consider it a superstition to abide by that commandment ?
Your use of your name of God could also be deemed a superstition, and anyone obeying God's commandments would be superstitious.

I agree with you that the name Jehovah, although unexact, has been established by English religious and literary tradition.
How about the other languages then ? If every language is supposed to follow its own literary tradition (if it has any) then God will have as different names as they are different languages.

its a superstition to imbrodier the scriptures , no where in the whole of the bible does it tell us to hide and keep the name from being know, Exodus 20;7 is not saying that at all
You must not take up the name of Jehovah your God in a worthless way,(or to a falsehood, or in vain) for Jehovah will not leave the one unpunished who takes up his name in a worthless way.......Exodus 20;7

(Leviticus 19:12) And YOU must not swear in my name to a lie, so that you do profane the name of your God. I am Jehovah....... no Exodus 20 ;7 is not telling us to not use the name ,how can it be ,when the bible is full of verses telling us to make it known , no i would rather listen to God himself in the bible than to false teachers.unless you think that the words in the bible are a superstition

And in that day you will certainly say: "Give thanks to Jehovah,you people! Call upon his name. Make known among the peoples his dealings. Make mention that his name is put on high. ..Isaiah12;4

God’s name identifies him as the One who progressively fulfills his promises and unfailingly realizes his purposes. Only the true God could bear such a meaningful name

The name is a form of a Hebrew verb ha·wah´ meaning "to become," and actually signifies "He Causes to Become....... yes Jesus followers should do the same as Jesus did

"I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have observed your word. John 17;6 ......yes Jesus made manifest Gods name and so should we

And I have made your name known to them and will make it known, in order that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them....John17;26

[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Actually, the Name of God "YHWH", was never meant to be spoken at all. Yet we justify breaking the law of God's private name, just like we break everyother rule...to suit our personal desires...

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we do not break Gods rules by applying what he tells us to do in the bible. he tells us to make his name known, it is only false teachers who say other wise, its amazing how a superstition about not using Gods name can affect the whole world ,but then again the bible does say that the whole world is in the power of the wicked one 1 john 5;19(satan the devil) and satans aim is to be in opposition to God ,so it is to be expected .it is only those who listen to God that are not led along

[Bandit]

i believe... the name of God is, JESUS.

[mansio]

Jesus always mentioned the Father instead of the name God, or am I wrong?
What is Jesus' definition of God?
Christianity is rather complicated to an outsider as one never knows exactly of whom a Christian is talking about or praying at.
Is it God, the Father, Jesus as part of God, Jesus as himself ? And I'm not mentioning the Holy Spirit.
No wonder that Muslims keep saying Christianity is a polytheism in disguise.

[mee]

Originally Posted by mansio

Jesus always mentioned the Father instead of the name God, or am I wrong?
What is Jesus' definition of God?
Christianity is rather complicated to an outsider as one never knows exactly of whom a Christian is talking about or praying at.
Is it God, the Father, Jesus as part of God, Jesus as himself ? And I'm not mentioning the Holy Spirit.
No wonder that Muslims keep saying Christianity is a polytheism in disguise.

if we keep to the bible it informs us who is who
A person who is really seeking to know the truth about God is not going to search the Bible hoping to find a text that he can construe as fitting what he already believes. He wants to know what God’s Word itself says. He may find some texts that he feels can be read in more than one way, but when these are compared with other Biblical statements on the same subject their meaning will become clear.

The personal name of the only true God. His own self-designation. Jehovah is the Creator and, rightfully, the Sovereign Ruler of the universe. "Jehovah" is translated from the Hebrew Tetragrammaton, יהוה, which means "He Causes to Become." These four Hebrew letters are represented in many languages by the letters JHVH or YHWH

Jesus isthe only-begotten Son of God, the only Son produced by Jehovah alone. This Son is the firstborn of all creation. By means of him all other things in heaven and on earth were created. He is the second-greatest personage in the universe. It is this Son whom Jehovah sent to the earth to give his life as a ransom for mankind, thus opening the way to eternal life for those of Adam’s offspring who would exercise faith. This same Son, restored to heavenly glory, now rules as King, with authority to destroy all the wicked and to carry out his Father’s original purpose for the earth. The Hebrew form of the name Jesus means "Jehovah Is Salvation"; Christ is the equivalent of the Hebrew Ma·shi´ach (Messiah), meaning "Anointed One