²nd Coming

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by taijasi

... mmm, I would just quote from an old The The song, but I'm afraid I would either offend, or that people would misunderstand. The point is, I don't think the Christ would be able to move among us today and find acceptance as easily ... if certain unnecessary behavior were adopted. Also, my own belief is that there is an economy of energy in the Universe. This means that - while Christ could zap around and walk on water and so forth - He would not do this needlessly, nor simply to awe & impress, for I believe that He will act both efficiently and prudently. This would best allow Him to go about His mission - to love, to serve, to teach and to heal. Anything else, would cause problems, don't you think?

andrew

he nor his love was accepted by many then, why would the masses accept him now? they put him to death for being innocent.
i am sure if he came as the gentle saviour as he did then, he would be put to death once again & rejected as such, regardless of his love & healing & teaching- the same way he is rejected & excluded at this very moment by many...

the difference is, according to his own teaching, no one will ever put him to death again in the flesh & he will come again like he said & do what it is written. i dont see much of a choice in that.

the Christ IS moving amongst us today in those who believe & have found him to be real in spirit & truth, he is alive & well uniting those in spirit back to the Father & preparing them for eternal glory, to those who seek to love him because he would never force himself upon anyone who rejects him.

what would the 'anything else' problems be you are in reference to?

[taijasi]

Originally Posted by Bandit

he nor his love was accepted by many then, why would the masses accept him now? they put him to death for being innocent.
i am sure if he came as the gentle saviour as he did then, he would be put to death once again & rejected as such, regardless of his love & healing & teaching- the same way he is rejected & excluded at this very moment by many...

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what would the 'anything else' problems be you are in reference to?

Hmmm, I bolded that part, because I sort of agree, although I don't think you were suggesting he would come as a military leader, or a "revolutionary" in the political sense ... and certainly not with violence, as the Messiah that Barabbas looked for. In short, not a conqueror. But, I do not think Christ would, or will, be anything less than the Avatar of Love, which He was before. The difference, I hope, will be that in addition to Love, He might also demonstrate to us something of the Will, the Purpose, of God. Thus, we might look forward to learning something more about Humanity's Purpose, too, and what our next steps can be in establishing and maintaining a sustainable society.

I do not think that Christ's Ministry this time around will be much at all like it was 2,000 years ago. Absolutely the world is a different place. We now live in a Global Village, and even if many people are still stuck in the very childish stages of beating each other over the head with rocks & sticks, there are others who are already sitting in the Global Classroom, and eagerly absorbing life's important lessons. While some are quite enamored with material objects and the allurements of the senses, others have learned the lessons of detachment, and how to be in this world, without being "of it." Many people do still live for self only, but millions have begun to live the wider and more rewarding life of service to others.

It is to this second set of people, in each case, that Christ might speak more directly, as He returns, but the very purpose in so doing is that we might likewise share the message with those who are hard of hearing, or reluctant to learn - the first set of people above. For them, too, He comes. "For the least of these ... His children." And in order to reach as many as possible, and not disrupt the flow of world events needlessly, I think His methods will be less dramatic than some might want to believe. That is what I meant when I said, "I believe that He will act both efficiently and prudently ... Anything else, would cause problems."

I'm convinced that Christ will not need to adopt drastic measures in order to accomplish His goals and achieve the results He desires - because the Faithful are already actively seeking Him out in every land, from all walks of life, eager to assist Him in His work, the work of World Service. In this, we are 100% in accord, Bandit ...

"the Christ IS moving amongst us today in those who believe & have found him to be real in spirit & truth"

Love & Light,

andrew

[Bandit]

well, as far as i am concerned, Jesus already came back as the Holy Ghost or with the Holy Ghost in the book of Acts. but that was also necessary because he promised that he would unite us with the Father & that we could be one with Jesus & the Father the same way Jesus became one with the Father.

as for this other coming, we only have a little insight & what to look for. i dont think he is coming back as military leader or a political leader & anyone expecting that will surely be seeing it wrong.
i dont think he is coming back as a literal flesh man this time around. but in an immortal body that we cant explain. i dont think we will ever know what it will be like while still in this mortal flesh, but there is a magnet that draws me to a home that will be quite different than this one & there wont be any more arguments or problems or wars or boastful men to deal with. it will be peace & joy the same way i know it now in the Holy Ghost- only all the problems of this life will be over.


i know some people try to take that joy that i have & say there is no such thing as heaven or eternal life, but something keeps tellin my spirit that other belief aint right.

Jesus told us to watch & pray always. he told us we dont know for sure the hour the son of man cometh, but he said to always be ready. if i die tomorrow, then that is when he came for me.
Jesus told us others would come after him & claim to be him & that we should not follow them. he said others would try to claim his title & come in his name. he said many would come trying to get us to believe in someone different & that he is not the real Messiah. but i believe Jesus is the one because what is written bares witness with my spirit & the Holy Ghost at the same time & these other religions do not bare the same witness with me.

i know some people dont like Jesus being a Savior to others & i know some people want to remove Jesus & the bible, but I thank God that I am still in a free country that allows me to give God the highest praise & even if others dont want this same promise that i believe in, i will let nothing seperate me from His love. nothing will seperate me from the Love of Christ & my blessed home.

this is the hope that Jesus brought & the hope that he promised to me, an eternal home in glory & wherever my Jesus is, that is where i want to be . so this is why it is so important to me to keep Jesus alive to as many people as who will recieve him & it is important to keep him alive in my heart because once he truly moves into the heart in the spirit, he will never leave & it is impossible to even think that way that he would leave or not redeem us because it is already taken care of back at Calvary.
how anyone could even begin to not love or stop loving is beyond me.

[Bandit]

i think this second coming that is being referenced to goes beyond what any human logic can ever fully define. i am quite content with that

[taijasi]

Originally Posted by Bandit

i think this second coming that is being referenced to goes beyond what any human logic can ever fully define. i am quite content with that

Agreed. But I think there is much that we can do to assist. There is much work that will help to speed the Reappearance, and in this work, I am convinced that each of us has a part to play. Not everyone sees it this way; that's cool, I know.

Since I think Christ comes for the world, I believe there is much that must occur in every country in the hearts & minds of men & women ... both in helping to prepare for an outward Appearance, as well as to make sure that the work of Christ does reach an expectant world audience. I certainly trust that Christ knows best how the latter will occur, and beyond a certain point, yes - it would be fruitless to speculate on all the means that He might employ. However, I do not think it is either necessary, or desirable, that we should relegate the activity, the purpose, or the modus operandi of Christ to the realm of the supernatural, paranormal, or utterly inconceivable. That is not the nature of the Christ I believe in, even if others may be bewildered, confused, or amused.

Nor do I think that Christ is incapable ... the type of assistance I have in mind, which we can offer, is practical, and has largely to do with reassuring a public (Christian or otherwise) which often seems to doubt, or find it amazing that people would actually expect to see Christ walking openly again among Humanity. (He Himself said that this would be the case!) I do not necessarily think this will mean that He will appear as the child of some nice, well-to-do family in suburban America ... or even that He will be physically incarnate at all. But I do think that He will walk and talk again among us, as plainly as He did 2,000 years ago, except that this time - all the world will see. And that, I think, is at this point ... inevitable!

Certainly many false prophets will come and go. This is always the case. Even now, as an esotericist, I am aware of several. But while this can be disturbing for many, and especially disheartening for those who might be temporarily led astray, I also take it as a sign of the times ... and one of the surest indications that the appointed hour draweth near. Certainly the exact hour is known only to the few, but I sincerely believe that most of us at CR - will live to see it. I base that belief, upon much more than inner conviction, although in the last analysis ... it is this inner knowing, which I believe you refer to, Bandit, as the activity of, and the reassurance from the Holy Spirit, which also, convinces me.

I think we may take it as a given, that anyone who stands up and says, I am the Christ - or words to that effect .... any claim-making, is sufficient and certain grounds for the immediate dismissal of that possibility. The Christ will need no PR man, as such. And He will be known by His works, just as before, though probably equally enigmatic - even to some of His closest. I trust there are disciples in the world at present, however ... who are a bit more discerning, and who, also, have grown spiritually in the intervening centuries.

Love & Light,

andrew

[Faithfulservant]

Originally Posted by taijasi

I don't think the Christ would be able to move among us today and find acceptance as easily ... if certain unnecessary behavior were adopted. Also, my own belief is that there is an economy of energy in the Universe. This means that - while Christ could zap around and walk on water and so forth - He would not do this needlessly, nor simply to awe & impress, for I believe that He will act both efficiently and prudently. This would best allow Him to go about His mission - to love, to serve, to teach and to heal. Anything else, would cause problems, don't you think?

andrew

I believe Christ is not returning to find acceptance He is returning to claim His throne as king of kings. All will bow to Him and riding in a plane.. that could be any joe shmoe making an entrance... no I do not think it will cause unnecessary problems because all will know Him because He said I will return and ALL eyes will see His return.. He will return in majesty. glory and we will be in awe. Dont you agree that someone riding in such a thing as a plane would cause doubt in ppl that He was the savior of the world? When Christ returns there will be no doubts.

2 Peter 1:16-17 For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty. For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory: "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

[taijasi]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Dont you agree that someone riding in such a thing as a plane would cause doubt in ppl that He was the savior of the world?

Not amongst the Faithful ... (for I have flown in a plane with one of His vanguard, a ForeRunner, and I did not doubt)

andrew

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by taijasi

Not amongst the Faithful ... (for I have flown in a plane with one of His vanguard, a ForeRunner, and I did not doubt)

andrew

Jesus does not have another forerunner(s) my dear friend. the only forerunner was John the baptist . you flew with John the baptist?

[taijasi]

Originally Posted by Bandit

Jesus does not have another forerunner(s) my dear friend. the only forerunner was John the baptist

Hmmm. I disagree. I think the ForeRunner function (work with me here) is today fulfilled by thousands around the globe, though most certainly there could be considered to be a nucleus, or closest group.

Originally Posted by Bandit

you flew with John the baptist?

no comment

(Makes me think of the Donovan song, though ... "Fly, Trans-Love Airways ... gets you there on tiiiiiiime ... " )

andrew

[Faithfulservant]

Luke 21:8 And He said: "Take heed that you not be deceived. For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am He,' and, 'The time has drawn near.' Therefore do not go after them.

Matthew 24:24-27 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. Therefore if they say to you, 'Look, He is in the desert!' do not go out; or 'Look, He is in the inner rooms!' do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Always we are to be on guard because even the elect will be deceived. We are told to test EVERYTHING by the word of God. Not keep just bits and pieces that sound good or feel good. Ive been deceived by those that claimed to know the truth and let me tell you.. how good it sounded and there were no consequences and everyone and everything was just peachy.... I will not fall into that trap again. Because that "truth" rejected Christ as savior of man and whose blood was given for the remission of sins. I will forever in my life rebuke any such "truth" again because the answer is simple.. Christ is the way the truth and the life. He is the ONLY way to the Father.

2 Cor 11:3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

[taijasi]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Always we are to be on guard because even the elect will be deceived. We are told to test EVERYTHING by the word of God. Not keep just bits and pieces that sound good or feel good. Ive been deceived by those that claimed to know the truth and let me tell you.. how good it sounded and there were no consequences and everyone and everything was just peachy.... I will not fall into that trap again. Because that "truth" rejected Christ as savior of man and whose blood was given for the remission of sins. I will forever in my life rebuke any such "truth" again because the answer is simple.. Christ is the way the truth and the life. He is the ONLY way to the Father.

sighhh ... Indeed, as a thief in the night ... and I am convinced that many will still look for him long after he has come and gone. It's like that story, about the man & the flood, and his faith in God. He holds out, after the two rowboats, and even after the helicopter, insisting, God's gonna save me, God's gonna save me! When he winds up in heaven, standing before St. Peter, he's a little confused, and can't figure out why he died, so strong was his faith! "Why didn't God save me?" he asks. But St. Pete looks back at him and says, What do ya mean, we sent two boats and a helicopter!"

I think Christ moves among us now. The signs aren't difficult to discern. Perhaps those who are silent, are saying much more ... than those who go about shouting.

Love & Light,

andrew

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Luke 21:8 And He said: "Take heed that you not be deceived. For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am He,' and, 'The time has drawn near.' Therefore do not go after them.

Matthew 24:24-27 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. Therefore if they say to you, 'Look, He is in the desert!' do not go out; or 'Look, He is in the inner rooms!' do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Always we are to be on guard because even the elect will be deceived. We are told to test EVERYTHING by the word of God. Not keep just bits and pieces that sound good or feel good. Ive been deceived by those that claimed to know the truth and let me tell you.. how good it sounded and there were no consequences and everyone and everything was just peachy.... I will not fall into that trap again. Because that "truth" rejected Christ as savior of man and whose blood was given for the remission of sins. I will forever in my life rebuke any such "truth" again because the answer is simple.. Christ is the way the truth and the life. He is the ONLY way to the Father.

2 Cor 11:3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

i am seeing that the same way. i cant say i have ever been deceievd in that way but i can relate to some others who got into some things that were not in the Word. i think it is important to check with Word also to make sure it is in there.
(then i must consider i was raised in a church that made sure we did not get out alive without knowing the Word & comparing the Word to other religions) after we grew up, we were on our own.

in the twinkling of an eye...

[Faithfulservant]

I think Christ moves among us now. The signs aren't difficult to discern. Perhaps those who are silent, are saying much more ... than those who go about shouting.

rofl.. I was thinking the exact same thing.

[Faithfulservant]

Originally Posted by Bandit

i am seeing that the same way. i cant say i have ever been deceievd in that way but i can relate to some others who got into some things that were not in the Word. i think it is important to check with Word also to make sure it is in there.
(then i must consider i was raised in a church that made sure we did not get out alive without knowing the Word & comparing the Word to other religions) after we grew up, we were on our own.

in the twinkling of an eye...

I believe I was blessed by my backslide.. lol because apostacy is so apparent to me in its many forms. I see it everywhere and call it by name. Ive been there and done that.. noones telling me anything I havent heard already. Im so grateful that I was grounded in my faith early on so that I could come so easily when I was called to return. I also have learned the difference between intelligence and wisdom in my journey.. Im not so worried about seeming smart and learned in my converse with others.. Its all about wisdom isnt it.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Luke 21:8 And He said: "Take heed that you not be deceived. For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am He,' and, 'The time has drawn near.' Therefore do not go after them.

Matthew 24:24-27 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. Therefore if they say to you, 'Look, He is in the desert!' do not go out; or 'Look, He is in the inner rooms!' do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Always we are to be on guard because even the elect will be deceived. We are told to test EVERYTHING by the word of God. Not keep just bits and pieces that sound good or feel good. Ive been deceived by those that claimed to know the truth and let me tell you.. how good it sounded and there were no consequences and everyone and everything was just peachy.... I will not fall into that trap again. Because that "truth" rejected Christ as savior of man and whose blood was given for the remission of sins. I will forever in my life rebuke any such "truth" again because the answer is simple.. Christ is the way the truth and the life. He is the ONLY way to the Father.

2 Cor 11:3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

yes very true , Jesus is the one that Jehovah is using to get things back right again.
For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feet. 26 As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing. 27 For [God] "subjected all things under his feet." But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that it is with the exception of the one who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone. 1 corinthians 15;25-28